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Chapter 347

🕑 Added 2024-07-26 18:59:00 +0000 UTC

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Julie Smith

I'm delighted with the new chapter and frustrated too, because the plot didn't go as far as I wanted. I want to see the meeting with the world leaders. I want to see Matt and Liz with the delver community. I expect more skepticism and hostility with the full panoply of world leaders. That will not go well for them and I expect that to trigger Matt's worldwide announcement.

Kelly Bryan

And I will say your opinion of Lilly and other worlds similar to it are related to the perspective of the story. Matt was an orphan who despite everything was taken well care of by his city. There were many orphanages, I would say that they have a very strong culture of caring for children on Lilly. Ventillyria had a more martial bend to their culture and the planets in Tur'stal's kingdom have a strong cultural connection to the 'natural' world. These elements are there, further he told them regional governors are elected from the populace only those who violate laws are not allowed to hold office. The violations of autonomy are limited and self determination of ALL peoples is a tenet of The Empire, I see why the world leaders think this way and props to Mantis for depicting this situation but we as readers should know better. Look at Matt's Sponsees, they have a strong family culture that is decidedly not persecuted by the Empire and they are essentially nomads!

copperspike

a very big reason i feel like calling integrations cultural genocides is a valid thing to do is because Lilly and other low tier planets we've seen have the cultural feeling of basically a poor quarter of the empire capital with little sense or awareness of anything from before the empire integration, which makes it that much harder for any population to feel connection with the land they live on, the people in their community, or a reasonably full cultural understanding of themselves, along with the issues of the violation of autonomy and self determination for native peoples

Kelly Bryan

I would like to point out that not a single person crying about cultural damage to Soerilia has acknowledged a single specific aspect that they are forcing or an alternative to the necessary changes that have to be introduced so they are no longer living under the veil, There are examples of distinct planetary cultures in The Empire, Ventillyria had a pretty intense sect bend towards their culture (Yeah it turned out to be a spy mission but the Empire didnt interfere with the culture but those violating Empire law while using the culture as an excuse And if you read the responses instead of just saying "COLONIZER!" You would see those are the arguments being made. So please give me an alternative to them providing a common language so they can communicate with the quadrillion fellow citizens. They arent telling anyone not to speak their native language. Give me an alternative to them saying everyone must awaken. Voice these alternatives and I will point out how evil you are

Justin B

His first act was to end a war. He also was thoughtful enough to at least tell you his plans (better healing and such). He’s doing better than many rulers of our planet. I’d let him cook.

MagicWafflez

now here's the thing, a slow integration doesn't mean they *won't* inform them *about* the empire. it means they'll take the break down of the existing power structure slowly... giving people time to process is the point, imo. also, they mentioned a war ending on the old continent, it's possible that they are doing this continent by continent as well

WierdWebLurker

Matt's whole speech boiled down to "I own your planet now. I'm making a bunch of changes that I have decided will benefit you. You get no input on this, and you don't have the power to stop me." This is accompanied by Jolene's political partner (presumably a confident and competent man under normal circumstances) being reduced to a shuddering wreck in front of these two very normal-looking people. Jolene went through denial, then anger, then bargaining, and is probably on depression or acceptance by the time Matt leaves. That's honestly not bad for getting the news that your entire planet got sold into slavery by and to powers you didn't even know existed.

WierdWebLurker

Matt's got a major bias, as we hear in several of his comments over the past several chapters. From his immediate dismissal of the reasons behind the war to his utter shock that the Veil world has a non-immortal as a representative. I honestly expect this integration to go sour due to some element of the culture that the Imperial rulers find "backwards" or "insignificant" that matters *very much* to the locals.

Matt H

It seems there's a not insignificant number of readers who are happy to, essentially, sign a blank check on doing anything to a couple generations of people all so that *other* people in the future have a "better life". At times it feels like some readers can only imagine themselves as a member of one of those future generations instead of a part of the current generations having their whole worldview and lifestyle upended. Empathy for the current residents of Soerilia seems like a footnote in the face of the "greater good".

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Spicyice101

They’re also really far away from local populations, maybe he’s far enough away they’re doing this won’t expose it too fast

Rodney

Thanks for the chapter this is awesome I really like how you are doing a thoughtful integration instead of just 90% of humanity died whenever the system came and took over I wish there were more books like this cuz I really enjoy this style of telling this story a slow methodical integration or at the very least not everybody died we're starting over

Andromeda Adams

Thank you for the chapter!

Andromeda Adams

History can be changed in one generation by what is taught or omitted. That is a proven fact, and has been done many times in are own history.

Jeff Wells

It's hard though, when the only reason the cultures can be so different and unique is because a major aspect of reality has been hidden from them. It's hard to have a culture that doesn't believe in cultivators when everyone's a cultivator, you know? It's really only the cultures that are compatible with the wider Empire's culture that will survive.

Andromeda Adams

Same ..

C_Mantis

Progression will happen this arc but these chapters are the type that need to be shown in a slower format but well pick up speed as we go. Really its just a nice change of pace of writing as well after all the combat of the last two arcs so I won't complain that people are enjoying it lol.

C_Mantis

spatial TY

Shaun McDonough

The lack of belief is 100% fine and believable. It is the fact that after believing that she stuck her head in the sand that was kind of pathetic.

Alex

Same... I lost my patience and resubscribed to patreon. That helped for a few hours as it gave me some new chapters to binge. But now I'm right back where I started, waiting for the next one chapter by chapter

Alex

If someone came to you claiming to be an immortal space wizard from a many-million year old Empire from beyond your universe you might not immediately believe them either.

Alexander

TIL talking back to 2 ascenders while being a tenth their tier is pathetic

Jonathan Robichaux

A few for sure. I'm assuming the spooky house was either a rift or transport hub, and he said it had been a few years since it stopped being creepy

J

*Something* clearly goes wrong with the slow and steady method given what Matt did in the PoV chapter recently. Since he addressed everyone on Soerilia, I doubt it was just that one frontier city he was speaking to. Sure, that seems to be after a time skip, but the vast majority of the planet still seems fully ignorant of cultivation by then, which makes that a very sudden change of pace.

Jairo Hernandez

I can see that. Like I said, SO many ways it can go wrong. Just hopeful. I see what you mean. I actually thought it’d be Matt angry at all of the rift breaks that were being allowed to happen and people that unnecessarily died because of them. Shoot, it could be both. These chapters can’t come fast enough!

Zed

his spiritual ring > spirit or space?

Jordan

I know these chapters aren't short, but by the time I'm done reading them it feels like it. Now if you will excuse me I must go huddle in a corner and wait for the next chapter.

copperspike

i feel like the cultural genocide part of integrations (especially the fast ones) is really undersold in how fucked up it is, i was hoping the empire had more of a persian empire type relationship with local cultures, and i still have a vague hope that ML are gonna do that, but the general practice of the empire seemingly fully supplanting any local cultures and ethnicities is genuinely fucked up, and is the sort of thing i'd expect only from the pre-agatha empire

Lorevi Q

Yeah ikr. "Hi I'm here to give everyone free healthcare, stop wars and provide a chance to reach immortality" "Ok please go away"

Danny G

Same, I don't think it was years - I think the plan is for us to see the governments try to deny everything so they just show up and expose everything to the public.. also I need the next chapter now I hate getting cut off during politics or world building lol

Sean C Jackson

I'm pretty sure they are, but yes this is the same world from the prologe/intro, and I know this cause thr name of the planet is the same.

Robert Smart

Wow how many years in the future was the prologue ? I was kinda hoping for a follow up with that architect.

Moonspike

Some panic is to be expected but she should have been trying to grab every scrap of info she could to better not only her own position but also her constituents.

Jana

Since the name of this and the Intro World are Soerillia, chances are they are indeed the same World.

Moonspike

It's kinds annoying how pathetic Jolene was. This is a woman who has risen to be one of the leaders of a world and when presented with information that there is more going on in the universe she tries to stick her head in the ground and drag everyone else's with her.

Tribal Geek

This kind of makes me wonder how high of a tier do you need to be or how big of a gap does there need to be to put you at the point where you can decide not to be perceived by someone lower. I know they had tier 20s doing it to tier 7's in the pather war, so could Matt and Liz hire a bunch of tier 5 - 15s and have them in the background to deal with war issues and potential rift breaks and none of the locals be the wiser?

Thomas Brusilovsky

Is this the same world as in the intro? Or are they getting multiple veil worlds?

adam1

Based on the prologue, I assume the upcoming meeting with the world leaders is going to go poorly, and Matt just decides to rip down the veil for the entire world at once.

Kain

The main clue in the chapter puts the time at 20+ minimum and if it’s a misdirect I would assume he just acts instantly/under a year so I didn’t bother putting in the brackets between them.

Jana

Stupid question but, aren’t you missing the 1-19 years time bracket? I double down on A though, Matt still thinks they’ll do it the gentle way but the intro was more “Evil Overlord has come to rule you all”, which is not really gentle. I’m all for the Hammer it home real good strategy, it’s my favourite kind of diplomacy:-P

Michael M

Although I guess the planet could have rifts under control for now and his visit triggers building the tunnel to Noricum. He later comes back to find the expansion has been mismanaged and loses it then

Xarow

Yes I think this is them thinking the slow approach will be kind and cause less issues. A sign of inexperience and naivety. I think the veil is like a plaster. Just got to pull it off quickly and deal with what you find. They really should have been putting a large integration team of tier 5 maybe 6’s together in the year lead in time they had. They can’t stay at this world all the time. Unless the new Baron is expected to bring his own staff. I kind of feel this veil world was rushed through by the Republic. Partly because lots of people died there anyway making it a sore point in how great the veil worlds are, but also intending the veil removal to go badly and make a political point. I just hope they were expecting the ‘usual ascender’ response to opposition and Matt and Liz being awesome mess that up by doing a good job.

Michael M

My prediction as he keeps looking into the local rifts during the next chapter or two…. Matt: “Slow and steady was the right path forward” *Finds out un-awakened are dying in rift breaks* Matt “HEAR ME AND LISTEN!”

Bob Bryan

So the empire isn't tyrany as that's not how Manny rules. Neither liz/matt since they were appointed by the emperor. Also plenty of evidence supports that claim, matt and liz are in charge, they just need to kot violate the laws and appoint someone to the senate or whatever it'd called in the empire. There is actually no evidence backing up your claim that they will strip the leaders of their power on the planet. They had no power, they had the ILLUSION of power and that is a very big difference.

Xarow

Great chapter this is giving all that I hoped for.

Violet

The Empire is weak caste-based autocracy. There is no reflection of the public will whatsoever within it. You can argue the same is true of modern so-called liberal democracy, but at least it maintains the /pretense/ of being something else. No, the people cannot, in fact, just keep their elected officials. No evidence supports that claim. Political power has been fully stripped from them in this transfer. You can argue the power they had was empty, but they still had it. Tyranny, as a concept, has its origins in Ancient Greece and it refers to the practice of the rule of a people through main force by a self-appointed dictator.

Thomas Todd

It's some time into the future, probably 50 or so years at least. In that vision Matt can properly use his fused domain (concept and intent overlapping) and that's definitely not something he develops to an acceptable level in less than decades

Jason Hardman

I can see how getting all the school age kids on a new curriculum will benefit the shifting of generations to adapt to their new reality.

Amazon Shopper

I’m really enjoying this arc!

Maakolo

I dont see this working out without at least some blood being spilled. There are plenty of psychopathic individuals who will be porblematic to say the least.

John

Thanks!

Kain

Bets are still open but a little more narrow now that we have some more clues. A. <1 year B. 20-22 years C. 23-25 years D. 26-30 years E. 31-40 years F. 41-50 years G. 51+ years I left A because people really doubt Matt’s self control for some reason and I guess the clues we’ve gotten could be misdirects, doubt it though. Personally I’m gonna go with D even though it’s a bit far from the main hint we got this chapter. Edit: actually I’m gonna go with F give Matt’s patients a little more credit.

Kain

Well we still don’t know when that happens, if the house is the same one from the prolog chapter it loses its ward 20 years before the events of the chapter. Currently the ward is still intact so it’s 20+ years of local politics before Matt loses it.

Lidja

Somehow, world wide announcements don’t strike me as the slow method, but I guess Matt and Liz will face some stubborn people.

RedLeaf

Thanks for the chapter!

Magnuss

Yes it’s a classic Patreon bug you get the notification for the tier 1 or free tier subscribers.

Bob Bryan

No it isn't. It COULD be, but it is not, because that isn't what tyrany is. All goverments, including ours, is built on might makes right, it's why they all exist. But Manny doesn't force anyone to do anything but obey the law snd I haven't seen one yet that wasn't fair, or at least as fair as they can be. If they want to keep elected officials, they can and they would represent them. I meant more matt isn't going to come down and demand all their daughters have threeesomes with him and liz on their wedding nights or they are going to tax then to poverty, or make all of them slaves. That's more what I was getting at. For the record, true tyrany is what they were living under in the republic, now they have a choice. Tryany is about stealing away choice from your subjects and that is all the republic did, no some ancestor making a choice for you is not the same thing. Plus under the empire, they can change that sense of powerlessness. Under the republic they could not.

Violet

The Empire /is/ tyrannical. It may be beneficent in its tyranny for now, but it's hardly a particularly free society. It's not actually any more tyrannical than the Republic, in that the Republic operates on the same fiat through violence to control worlds, but it still operates on an uncomfortable compromise between might making right and the benevolent preferences of its tyrant. All of these people have no power. The situation at hand makes that more obvious, though, and people hate it when you rub their nose into their powerlessness.

Jairo Hernandez

I was real tense while reading this whole chapter. It’s such a delicate situation and there’s SO many ways to do it wrong. Patience and understanding is def a great way to go about it. I hope what’s-his-face-architect from the prologue gets more screen time. It’d be cool if his “talent” (HAHA!) gets acknowledged and we see him thrive in the transition.

Tommy

Fun chapter. I am so excited for Matt to go full World Owning Cultivator LFG!

Kenneth Dennis

That would have been nice for end of the war yeah

Tribal Geek

I'm leaning towards quick and fast integration over the slow method. I don't think dragging things out is the kinder method even if it sounds like it.

Bob of Doom

A good solution would be a "discovery" of magic powers through use of a machine. It would allow the powerful to get and maintain their power initially. Matt and Liz can then apply pressure to allow the benefit to work top down. You charge a lot then the tech gets better so you charge less and less and less until it's free and then it's mandatory. You can delay a lot of upheaval that way. It's probably the best way to get slow and steady to work. Have the talking heads explain economics of scale and the current cultivators and Matt and Liz can prevent monopolies of power.

Jsar

I really wish we'd gotten a post war poverty from Luna. Some kind of performance review or strutting her success to other trainers...

MikeL

Liz can turn into Phoenix.

Fabian

Thank you!

Bob Bryan

Have Luna show up from a tear and have her transform from cat into human.

mitchell kaiser

Looking forward to the meeting between leaders.

Na U good

Fml I’m fully caught up now and I regret it so much 😭

MikeL

I’m wondering how he will convince a room full of people. Levitate them all? Can they all be teleported to their ship in orbit for the meeting?

Matt

Chuck all the world leaders in a rift with the delvers and see what happens. I have no idea what the plan could be and I am really looking forward to finding out. Next chapter please!

Luciaron

I’m honestly loving these chapters. The world building is great at this point that I don’t even really care about progression as it’s moved beyond just that type of story.

C_Mantis

I have to manually send out the notifications for the lower tiers and I might have not unclicked the t15s. Sorry about that. Nothing has changed but if I dont do it that wya the lower tiers dont get emails about chapters.

Bob Bryan

People in power are the real problem. They don't want to lose the power they have, so some are going to try kicking and screaming to keep everything the same to the detriment of everyone else. The rest will be split, like always. It's just like when america was "discovered" by Europeans. Some stayed, some jumped. I do think if they do both. I.e. speed somethings up, such as medicine, bring in friendlier lower tired people for others to see and explained how the empire is different from the tyrany they are thinking it is, that will help alot.

Ben

Posted 21 June for me. No weirdness on my end.

Christian Sullivan

Woo Chapter!

Lucas beck

Only saw 1 but yeah

BlueFox

Anyone else weirdly get a notification of chapter 339? Its happend 2 times now o.o... Anyway thanks for the chapter

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis :) I am not sure Matt even needs to hear them via the phone lines, he can hear them via his domain. Sure one is easier, but the possibility he could be confirming with the other makes me chuckle. I wonder what criteria he has above her. Just senior in age or perhaps more closely related to some immortal. Maybe his house is just easier to access. Poor Jolene. Yeah, it would be a bit much to fully believe, props to Jolene. I know some people would just stick in denial, even with tangible proof. I can't 100% even guarantee I wouldn't be one of them. It's just hard to know in an impossible scenario. I like her being there. Her confusion and outrage are nicely done. Sure her repeated disbelief is annoying, but as noted it is hard to accept the impossible is possible. The annoyance is part of reality, and less annoying than if she had believed after token resistance. I like the logical queries next. Will we have to move. How much of chaotic space is just a human mind not being able to interpret it. We see in 3~ dimensions and this is above that. (Millennial Mage has some nice interpretations of a human trying to see in more dimensions. As well as nice analogies for the impossible shown in English.) I do like that even Matt is now participating in the Veil debate. Jolene would totally participate if she had more knowledge. I am curious which side she would be on if she had a fuller picture, not just speaking out of fear while having a bit of an existential crisis. Yeah, forget about the veil debate. She has a point about no longer being able to elect people. There is something to say about politicians just posturing, not fulfilling their promises, but the idea of choosing good people is at least nice in theory. -Matt is raised in a monarchy and is used to it and good rulers. Though he was born with the worst. He is now getting the benefits the strong do in the Sects. I wonder about any people who have a revolutionary new invention are going to feel when a bunch of empire tech is shown. -Thinking about that because translation software and how it is still in its infancy on Earth for real-time translations and here it is practically finished. -It would be like the printing press was just invented and then the next day everyone got access to a computer with internet. Gutenberg who? -Though I guess tech is unlikely to just become available to everyone. Maybe closer to the news headlines that never happened due to a war or something like 9/11. The events still happened but nobody read about them as there was something bigger. I wonder what different methods have been tested. We have so many fantasy novels where magic becomes, or is revealed to be, real. I feel some are higher effort and may also have bad results... but as noted it depends if it is a compatible planet. -I am thinking a bit about how potatoes were allowed out as King Frederic let slip rumors they were super food, but told his guard to allow everyone to steal them. Make it so everyone wants to be clever and so accepts cultivation. Probably better methods, but it's a quick and unrefined idea. I love the delvers slamming the door shut in Matt's face. -In their new boss' face. (It doesn't mention the door being opened... or if it does say something it is way up before the door is slammed shut.) I wonder how much of those rumors were deliberate disinformation. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I do think most people fear the unknown rather than expect it to be kind. Fear spreads easier than hope and joy. -sadly -Would be amusing if it is simply that any true rumors are stopped in case it was a propaganda leak... but just has the same effect of allowing fake rumors to spread. missed an edit: "I assure you those rumors are mostly true." Then immediately says they just have a kernel of truth and is exaggerated at best. I am curious how variety will affect things. Stagnation in many things can lead to stagnation in innovation.

JM O'Hare

Damn, people comment fast

Asattor

Thanks, Mantis! 😁

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter


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