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Chapter 350

🕑 Added 2024-08-05 18:58:01 +0000 UTC

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David Tart

I love the funny ending. It had me literally laughing out loud. I wonder what would happen if he used multiple weapons to start a rift. I can't remember if he ever did that back when he was a 6 creating them. Might be interesting in the pursuit of a weapon oriented aura-type

Julie Smith

I can't believe Matt destroyed that butterfly aura rift. Why'd he do that?

Clifford Solonas

you will need to do a minor retcon on chapter 240 when the book goes live "You are to create a single earth aura rift, hidden somewhere appropriate, and establish other rifts to match whatever you wish, but ideally in a naturalistic-seeming way"

Kelly Bryan

Definitely get them involved! I think their school is for the unawakened so maybe he recruits from them for his low tier delving needs?

Teatime42

Squeaky Squeaky

Kelly Bryan

Omg Allie is gonna send him a squeaky toy and hes gonna secretly love it

Alex

That's a really good idea.

SilasDrekken

Matthew and one of his and Melinda’s other teammates started a training school or something similar on lily didn’t they? I wonder if Matt will involve them at all. He could contract their students to run his rifts as a sort of joint venture between his guild and their school.

Burgismik

Love the new chapter!! Checking with others. Is anyone not seeing Mantis’ content show in recent for Patreon. It’s completely disappeared unless I’m directly on his page. I don’t see any setting changes that would have caused this.

Kelly Bryan

Mantis, I might recommend Matt's reveal be altered slightly too, he doesnt seem like the type to make such a claim and put a timeline on himself when he hasnt completed the experiments himself yet the change is a little jarring to me but really isnt too bad but it makes that reveal feel out of character to me now.

Kelly Bryan

Especially since Minkalla was made with rifts around a white hole core, Matt should figure out ruins! Maybe it can start with an accidental one that happens with his density subaspect and an attempt to tier it past the planet's limit, instead of tiering up it just inverts, there is clearly a lot of value in ruins and a lot of danger that knowledge of ruins could mitigate

C_Mantis

It doesn't really change aura or what they accomplished. Matt still creates aura riftsm he just doesn't speedrun the entire aura type list. The listed auras are 99% of the aura list. Getting them at a lower tier is easy after the basics are finished so there would be basically zero need for testing. I don't intend for this to be a 20 chapter thing but I want it to be more than literally two.

Andromeda Adams

I loved all the testing, and the butterfly rift sounded pretty. To end the chapter like that was perfect! Tyftc

Andrew K

I would certainly apply a more permissive standard if we were talking about something that was more recent. However, this is reaching back something like 2/3 of the series by chapter count, involves a major facet of something important enough to have been treated as a major accomplishment (even dangerously so) and was sufficiently plot-relevant to have come up in general terms 3 more times in just the next 2 books. Even ignoring the non-trivial impact the change has on the tone of the impacted chapter, enough is anchored to the overall plot point being touched for this change to have a long-term corrosive effect on the continuity of the story as a whole (both on its own and by opening the door for more deep retcons). I certainly don't know what is coming next, but I have serious concerns over whether the amount of potential story awesomeness this retcon unlocks (compared to other reasonable options) can outweigh the drawbacks.

Jeff Wells

The retcon goes all the way back to book 4. It's a fairly minor point in the book, but that is a long way to reach back for something that could be worked around. Personally I don't hate it, but it doesn't seem to help the story that much so far. We'll see I guess. Mantis clearly feels like this was a major missed opportunity and wants to correct that.

Tavis

Thanks for the chapter! Its been a while since I read rift details! I'd love to find out what happens when he creates a rift in close proximity to another then uses a bigger circle of tablets to use both rifts as a 'source'? I'm hoping they interact somehow instead of both tiering up like normal. Also the retcon feels a tad forced. It also feels like it strips out a huge chunk of the motivation and interest in rifts that was built up during his stay on that island. Personally I like the thought that it was an unknown variable that was present on the island or the fact that the mana used was from a low tiered person that caused them to be frequent more than limiting his finds. Would make it interesting to see him redo all the tests looking for the variables he missed as a low tier

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Cody C

Wait is Isaac Newton cannon

Donan The Barbarian

I mean rift inversions forming ruins are one of the possibilities when a rift is full to bursting but doesn't tier up. Which means he just needs to prevent them from tiering up then throw lots of mana and time at the rifts and eventually he'll get ruins, maybe he'll figure out ways to increase the chance of a rift inversion into a ruin instead of just a rift break but that's definitely something low priority compared to his nanny other projects.

Donan The Barbarian

Aura is basically a half step between regular mana and domain strengthened mana. It's not actually a long lasting form of concept strengthened mana but it's enough changed in the same direction that it can lead others towards their own concept, or after processing by a higher tiered alchemist towards a specific outsiders idea of a concept like *Hot fire* that vaguely works for the low tier user.

Elaine

good chappie

Matt H

It's hard to come up with an exact analogy, but the best I can come up with would be something like a special forces operative complaining in a group chat that some store nearby stopped selling their favorite towels. Is it strange that such a person would use towels? No. Is it strange that they might be upset about that? No. Is it a little strange that they might comment about that to a group that includes their counterparts in other "countries" whom they regularly fight with and try to kill? A little. That's why Matt asked the question he did; Eclavorn is pretty much perfectly riding the line of saying something that's both understandable in the abstract and surprising to say in practice.

Jason Hatter

Remember, we're just about to hit book 7 in publication... Wednesday. Many people will not have seen it yet

Andrew K

I personally feel like this isn't a good retcon. Even if it conflicts with certain aspects of the narrative you want to do now, it feels like it's too far back for a change of this magnitude - the amount of text originally spent on hammering the point home and how big a deal was made of the aura rifts in general (both at the time and in mentions since) makes it a very substantial change. I also don't really see the need for it given that: - Everything's already setup well to chalk up the early success to a degree of beginner's luck / achievement from ignorance, so the original method having been obtained too easily from an in-universe point of view seems like a weak justification. - There are a number of other aspects of the aura rift creation process that can be plenty challenging to the current research effort (that this chapter already brings up), so the value of any one additional potential sticking point seems low unless you're planning to spend a LOT of writing on this. - Even if there's a particular interesting solution to making the more-complex aura types that you want to describe in a later chapter as a new solution, it should be possible to get comparable *or better* narrative impact without the retcon. The new research could spend a bunch of time to ultimately realize that something about the original method for the more-complex aura types is a dead end somehow (from the perspective of one or more of the other dimensions of improvement being pursued), then the interesting new solution could be introduced as the superior alternative.

Violet

Huh, wonder why Matt is so blown away by the idea of dragons with chew toys. Kinda just makes sense to me once I think about it. Not that different from fidget toys for human hands.

Andrew K

The final bit should have a follow-up where Eclavorn starts investigating the details of the change, then another where he finds out that Lila somehow manipulated circumstances to cause the factory move just to set this up.

SwiftFate

I like to imagine Asters surprise is more to the effect that someone else broke the 4th wall aside from her

C_Mantis

Aster: "What?!?"

SwiftFate

Matt: "Time to create a dozen different Aura rifts! Finally!" Liz: "Um, actually...Mantis said no" Matt: "What?" Liz: "What?"

Leisha Gannon

TYFTC I loved the Ascender chat at the end! *chefs kiss*

Leisha Gannon

I'll bet you a chew toy from the old TufTal factory

Tener

Make a chew toy aura rift 😉

Anime Problem

Aura is more a seed I was more or less referencing that if someone is going to build the same concept either way one more specialized is technically more efficient however if the outcome is the same concept it's hard to say which seed was realistically better at growing it.

Alex

The difference I'm talking about is not a rounding error at all. When Baxter first sees Melinda use her Concept he says that anyone she uses it on is a dead man, and it takes nearly zero willpower for her to use it - that has a lot to do with the nature of Melinda's Concept, but it at least supports the idea that a truly perfect Concept doesn't really cost anything to use, even when it's unleashed at full power. The standard I'm using to measure the perfection of a Concept is how long it takes a person to convert their essence to match their Concept. Melinda converted her essence to match her Concept in a matter of weeks. Aiden didn't manage to fully convert his essence to match his Concept until he was Tier 7 after forming it at peak Tier 4 - and that was with him deliberately feeding essence to his Concept to make it convert faster. Matt didn't fully convert his essence to match his Concept until he was immortal - and his Concept is exceptional by any standard. The difference between a Concept that is truly perfect for a person and the Concept they want is not even remotely close to being a rounding error, it's a transformative difference in the ultimate potential of a person: the question is, is it better to have ultimate power and a Concept you don't want, or is it better to be significantly weaker and have a Concept you're truly satisfied with.

Maakolo

To me it feels like Aura is related to a type of power or technique that anyone could use without skill shards. Kinda like a super simple skill, so simple people can use it without a skill. Or perhaps it would be related to the domain? Instead of relying on mana cultivation they could rely on willpower to use mana effectively? Or maybe its a type of free casting? Anyway, pointless and empty fantasising aside, Aura always felt strange to me because of how it seemed to indicate a different part of the power system. Like a third type of power beyond skills and domain.

Jacob

He could create a sun with a Fire Aura Ruin inside it, or an Ocean with a Water Aura Ruin in it! The possibilities!!!!

Jacob

Matt needs to learn how to Invert Rifts. I want an Aura ruin!

Desidia

I'm curious what the rift rewards of tier 25 and up are like.

MrDragondude5

Another thing about sharpness aura is that it will work with such a large amount of weapons you probably only need one or two other types and you've got every weapon covered. Just sharpness will cover swords, axes, daggers, and most polearms.

Anime Problem

As I said rounding error

David Bean

I really enjoyed this chapter. I hadn’t realized how much I missed rifts in general. They are always so weird and interesting. I hope they get to do some delving here and there too. Also, that chew toy bit was hilarious.

Shmigit

Haven't read beyond the author's note, but I think you absolutely made the right choice here to retcon how early they developed the research.

Alex

It depends on what you consider to be 'better'. One of the themes that's been established in the series is that the strongest Concept is the one that fits a person really well, which is not the same thing as the Concept a person wanted. Melinda's Concept is easily one of the strongest Concepts in the entire series, but it's literally the exact opposite of what she wanted. Any other Concept would have been weaker for her than her Death Concept; would it be 'better' for her to have a different Concept that she would of preferred? The answer to that question depends on what you mean by better.

Alex

Who's betting that stuff lets a person make an Intent the way that Aura lets someone make a Concept? Any takers?

Xarow

Really liked this chapter. Classic Matt though dispersing a rift before establishing the value of the unknown item! Real facepalm moment. I am sure you have a plan Mantis for some of the more exotic auras like sharpness etc. I just have this idea sharpness won’t come from seeding a rift with sharp objects but with lots of items cut with sharp objects. They are a physical representation of the act of sharpness and hold some residual intent from that.

Apep

Your calculations is slightly off. With 2-2.5 persons per cycle it would be 192-240 people per day who can create a concept. Per day is also missing btw. 😉 Otherwise nice chapter. Besides, since dragons crave chew toys, what is the dried pig ear equivalent for a dragon? Seriously. Who cares about Matt’s experiments when we get to know how to take care for our pet dragon. 😂

Xarow

You’re on to something! Used chew toys could be the answer to a bite aura. And sharpness aura does not come from sharpened objects but from items cut with a sharp object. So seeding a rift with something that is the result of the act, not what caused it. I can’t remember Matt ever trying this before.

Xarow

You can run a rift 96 times in 24 hours if done every 15 minutes. 240%96 on the low end, this is 2 and a half bottles per rift run matching Matt’s initial estimate. I can see this fluctuating between rifts a bit. Probably better amounts if the rift is fully charged. If there are more monsters in a rift of this type as even in his experiments they are not perfect clones. Then fire aura rifts may give more or less than a water aura rift purely relating to the aura itself making one more or less efficient to farm.

C_Mantis

Dragon is a Rank 2 bloodline. Elder Dragon is a Rank 3 dragon bloodline. So an upgraded dragon bloodline. Similar to Aunt Helen and normal pheonixes.

Tommy

“Although, if his plans for his guild are remotely successful,” -> were remotely

austin kutz

I like the rift testing for sure, but it feels kinda like he's playing with sticks and mud again when he has tons of mana, enough essence stones to stabilize the rifts so that they don't impact each other, and enough array/formation/talisman knowledge to easily make sure that they don't interact in the way that they are. He's supposed to operate many times faster than a tier 6. He should have gotten a few months worth of tier 6 work done in just a single day even if he was just goofing around as it seems like he was. He's tier 26, why is he having low tier problems when trying to make such low tier rifts? That's kinda just how I feel, maybe impacted by how this is something I feel like he's done already when he was much weaker Personally, I was looking forward to him trying to make more growth item rifts and seeing the low tier new guild members clear the funky rifts over and over again

Luis Herrera Moreno

i actually appreciate the slower pace of the last couple of chapters, while the war arc was all sorts of fun, im extremely happy to get some world building that i can really sink into

Magnuss

Yes I understand the point of the refresh but I think the placement of the last two guild chapters is a bit off. We had many time skips where next to nothing happens before the new republic world was delivered. There the building of the guild island and the recap in rift making would be a much better fit. For me it’s a bit out of character for Mat to begin the world integration and then leave to do guild things. Especially with Mats backstory I would have seen him much more controlling to make 200% sure nobody gets harmed. It’s like we got low intensity chapters after the War and then the new story hook of world integration only to switch few chapters in to low intensity chapters again. It’s a bit of a weird pacing.

Xarow

Made the same error with copper skin rift if I remember right.

Xarow

Without doubt

Jeppe Fiig

Eclavorn was the Elder Dragon bloodline right? Does any have an idea what the difference between Elder Dragon and normal Dragon bloodlines is

Mike G.

Who else thinks he's going to regret destroying that butterfly rift when the aura from it gets ID'd?

RedLeaf

Thanks for the chapter! Yes, retcons are unfortunate, but they're better than having the internal logic of the plot go over a cliff! Plus, the fact that it gives us a chance to see Matt "play" with rifts in greater detail is a big bonus!

MikeL

I always assumed that a larger amount of aura was needed. It’s not clear to me is it made into a potion or do they cultivate for a long time with it to create a concept.

C_Mantis

Not everyone will love the rift testing but a LOT of people really want it. It will be a theme for this arc but it wont take up the whole narrative forever. And the next few chapters will move the stuff along to new stuff before long. Its just been 2+ years for people who have been reading chapter by chapter and we needed a refresh.

Magnuss

Not really my favorite chapter too much of the testing from that we know the outcome already. I think the old Mantis way of letting Matt figure it out of screen was better. It feels to much like a filler chapter this late in the story. It’s ruining the pacing a bit. At least to me. The Ascender group chat was fun.

Matt

Was it 240 to 300 total? Or per day? Or per clear? (Is this a lot of a little?) Tftc. I love this stuff. I'd love to see some higher tier rifts too. I still remember the house rift with the furnace. And the trick rift with the mirror.

Kenneth Dennis

Ooh the end of that chapter had me laughing

Anime Problem

I wonder if he can get an endless Aura rift or an Aura rift designed for people wanting a Seeker Concept Neutral is the goal for people who don't immediately know what they want to specialize in but if that person already has a specialization in mind having a rift for that would probably be a little bit better like Luna rounding error levels of better

Havokk

ahhh Eclavorn upset because the new chew toys aren't the same as the old ones lol and of course Lila has no other option than to stir the pot. Maybe Matt can seed a rift with some of those to get them as rift rewards and bribe Eclavorn with that ??

Quinton Stanley

Love the rift experiments

Rodney

I love the ascenders chat group

Amazon Shopper

tftc

C_Mantis

its like a better bottled concept. We go more into it in a later chapter so I wont say too much more but book 4 also talks about it but in two chapters I have a full breakdown so not too far.

Teatime42

God, getting chewtoys for heavy chewing dogs that actually aren't just solid unforgiving bricks is a serious annoyance. Honestly gave up and just get squeaky toys semi regularly.

MikeL

Old Mantis, I guess was just too nice.

SodaBoBomb

What is Aura again? I know it helps with Concepts but that's it

noah radencic

Thanks mantsu

Nathan

Thanks Mantis! I, for one, love the aperology chapters and the rift making, it really feels like Matt will make a difference in the Realm like that!

João Gabriel

Tftc!!

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis! Huh, a retcon. Feels reasonable enough. Particularly the weapons seem like they would be more esoteric and harder to figure out. Add in the time it takes to delve and him still being on the Path. -Though I'd forgotten weapons were involved in the creative process. Maybe slightly less esoteric. A massive pillar of mana is indeed a statement. I wonder if it will become a statement of the guild and him, maybe spawning a nickname for the guild. As an ascender he is a pillar of the Empire, and even excluding his hidden Talent he is known for mana stones. -My only worry is that him refilling the stone incite curiosity. And if he doesn't refill it it may cause needless worry about the wealth of the guild. Is Matt going to have issues transferring his Aperology art form into replicable science? Seems similar enough to DW's issues explaining Domains to get teased about. So I am recalling that there was something about high tiers having to pay loads more for buying low tier stuff. Was that only on the Path? Just asking as Matt bought down 7 tiers. Brice also bough a bunch of stuff. I feel it might be solely on the Path or on low tier planets. -Ah, of course there are specifics in the laws for purchasing down tiers. 'a freshly awakened T1's mana' sounds so weird and specific. I understand why, and they even say why, but it sounds like a witch's ingredient. Sounds like a baby's first breath. With how they want it extra pure they probably even have someone asking before a person is awakened to save time... and it just is oddly creepy. Funny to read, but creepy. How would you be able to keep spell casting foci as a base. Would they not require enchantments, or is a processed wand unique enough to not not need enchantments while working as a foci? 'paltry 10,000 mana' -Oof, Matt needs to work on his control of that paltry 10,000 mana. Is the salamander being a salamander, the oft used word for fire elemental, relevant? Maybe just how it works, but I'm curious if we'll see a similar theme in the other elemental rifts. -seems like just an easter egg. I do like the butterfly aura idea, sad he destroyed it. The light rift has what is reminiscent of some angel depictions. -Ooh, maybe a new skill is found to boot! Huh, not a real void. Disappointing, but much safer. A tar like shadow. I like all the variations and new rifts, but am a bit sad to see them so readily destroyed. Maybe he simply has more confidence in recreating those rifts. I didn't know I wanted dragons complaining over chew toys... and I love it. -I hope we hear that such a video was found and shared. Rifts are exciting, but I fully understand Matt's distraction. Have a great week everyone! -Happy Birthday Recruiter Miles.

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

Asattor

Thanks for the chapter!!


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