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Chapter 371

🕑 Added 2024-10-21 18:59:02 +0000 UTC

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Jesse

I know the story is known for its chapter/s long fights but it feels counter to the stated goal of the mc's to dominate the sect leaders. As a reader I just thought what's the difference between this and their normal fights the longer it went on.

Julie Smith

I think this is the first time I've seen Matt and Liz fight together since the last war. This fight shows their new capabilities and how they've trained together. They're even more powerful together than I imagined.

Julie Smith

That would be a very funny outcome michael pigott! I feel that'll be in the next arc.

Julie Smith

Nice dis!

Julie Smith

Dynamite battle! Well done, Mantis. I particularly liked how Matt and Liz worked for style points, taking unnecessary damage to maximize the intimidation factor. Like others, I really want to see Cui and Lang discussing this battle afterward.

Flopmind

I can get behind that. It gels with the sects black market fight and how spatial locks are discussed there. I just don't think it's adequately explained in the text.

Donan The Barbarian

I'm pretty sure that Matt and Liz long ago reached the point where they can lock down space only for their enemies and not their allies by shear virtue of working with Ally for years, sure they're not good enough to completely lock it down for enemies of a similar caliber to themselves specialized in space manipulation like Ally but they've been practicing for a Long Time against Ally with her telling them what they're doing right and wrong.

Alex

It actually doesn't matter whether you consider the 10 times growth factor to describe the total essence (i.e, each Tier has 10 times more total essence than the previous Tier), or the essence delta (i.e, each Tier adds an amount of essence that is 10 times greater than the amount added in the previous Tier). Case 1: total essence = 10^n Case 2: total essence = sum(10^n), n=1,2,3.... Both of those cases work out to have exponential scaling.

Kelly Bryan

except they are saying the previous tier not their entire essence cultivated when they reach the tier.

Alex

Each Tier is 10 times the essence of the previous Tier (neglect the watershed Tiers for simplicity) so it’s 10^n. At least that’s my interpretation. That is an exponential growth function.

Kelly Bryan

Alex. 5x+x or x^n where n is the tier level. Which are we describing?

Flopmind

Just blocking spatial items is a viable answer, but imo it's not clear enough in the text atm.

chest25

Correction: "The two of us against the two against you.”-> "The two of us against the two of you.”

Sean C Jackson

That is actually exactly how it works.

Sean C Jackson

They just blocked storage items.

Alex

…a quantity that grows through repeated multiplication is literally what the word exponential means…

Kelly Bryan

I believe its mentioned that each tier requires ten times the amount of essence as the previous with the exception of the breakthrough tiers (multiples of 5) that requires one hundred times the previous tiers essence, so multiplicative not exponential

Kelly Bryan

I think it was a result of the strength of the lock down, only enough to prevent spatial items being accessed but weak enough that they could still force a teleport. Allie frequently forces her way through certain types of spatial locks and beyond being a tier 25 (at least) item backed by the will of an ascender suggests it could accomplish a decent amount.

C_Mantis

I wish, but ill be missing the beta with my trip. Shame on me for not knowing when the date would be last year when I made plans smh.

Jacob

The rings have two teleport abilities. They alow Matt and Liz to swap places AND teleport short distances individually.

wanderer117

From what I remember the ring lets them teleport to each other instantly, but only at tactically not strategic distances. Mat is using the Portal spell for strategic movement when Shadow isn't around. Portal is fast but not instant and you know a portal so other effects can hitch a ride.

Andromeda Adams

Tyftc! That was an awesome chapter! I hope we see a little of their reaction. Plus Matt snapping his fingers was perfect!

Discordian23

Tala Moana

Joshua Jernigan

I can't remember where it was stated but each tier requires essentially double the essence of the last tier which adds up quickly. It's also why ascenders are terrifying to regular people within about 3 tiers of them

TheBullshit

A fellow Exile?

Flopmind

From the beginning of the fight: "In unison and instead of attacking immediately, Matt and Liz both locked down space securely enough that retrieving anything out of a storage ring would be impossible. That was standard immortal tactics, but it was something they had talked about before the fight as part of their overall plan." Matt and Liz lock down space, but there's still several teleports throughout the fight. I could buy them being that in sync, especially with AI communication and their experience being in Darrow's [Group Telepathy]. BUT it's never mentioned that they bring the locks down, not once.

Matthew Church

They don't have spatial locks. "...taking advantage of the sect leader's LACK of spacial locks."

Flopmind

Thanks for the chapter, Mantis! Corrections: "Liz triggered their teleportation ring then dissipated the body, and Matt was back in the fight," "Liz was already moving, and Matt used their teleport rings to teleport himself forward a few times in rapid succession, taking advantage of the sect leader's lack of spatial locks." "Instead of tanking the spell like Cui Ming had, Lang Ru burst into flame and teleported to the side, using the reposition to lash out at Matt with her mantis scythes." None of these lines really acknowledge the spatial locks. Even though the second quote mentions them, it doesn't explain how Matt overcomes them. "or some other similar live-saving armor spell." should be [life-saving]

Jack Dawson

Think of it like adding layers onto a sphere where each layer is always the same thickness. because the ball is larger every time each layer takes more material to get the same thickness as the previous layer.

NotEnoughPixels

“She managed to activate [Phantom Armor] or some other similar live-saving armor spell which saved her life but it was a close. call” live-saving -> life-saving close. call -> close call.

C_Mantis

both survived,

Kevin DD

You can use both itch and scratch here

Matt

Did they both survive? Or just the one who was whisked away?

Fabian

Any chance we are going to see a bit of the reaction from the rest of the sect? I love people talking about how cool/scary Liz and Matt were lol. Thank you for the chapter!

C_Mantis

Na he was pulled out by the guards.

Alex

Yes. The gaps between Tiers gets bigger at the higher Tiers; by Tier 50 a full Tier advantage is utterly insurmountable by anyone who isn’t a god of war like Aiden or Agatha.

Throngler In Chief

...You know I could see Allie kidnapping Gan Le for funsies on a regular basis. Rift has a Goo-monster boss that melts actual weapons and has to be beaten to death? Use your handy Gan Le as a warhammer! Annoying Noble wont stop talking at you? He can talk to your trusty Gan Le! Random Sect person has declared themselves your "Rival" and won't stop following you even after you stabed them in the kidney 4,387 (and a half) times? Tell them they have to earn your respect first by defeating your friendly neighborhood Gan Le! Friends are being boring at a get together? Show off your handy-dandy Gan Le, an Ascender's favorite multi-tool!

Sean Shivers

Is each tier exponential in how much essence you can cultivate?

Sean Shivers

"but the exchange made it obvious just how far outclassed Matt was in raw physical cultivation."

mitchell kaiser

Great fight! I was just thinking there was kinda a lack of fighting for this Arc. Can’t wait for more, and I love all the politics in this Book, it makes the whole thing more real!

MikeL

Matt was using his ring to teleport a lot. Doesn’t he have [Teleport] now, is one better or worse?

Kasamuri

Minor correction: want to itch himself raw. to want to scratch himself raw.

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

michael pigott

It'll probably be during the Republic/sect war. The only witness will be Gan Le and he's just gonna throw up his hands and nope out. (The sects giving him credit and thus more duties would also be a thing that happens to that guy)

Jason Becker

Also during the fight: “…and she managed to activate [Phantom Armor] or some other similar live-saving armor spell.” Shouldn’t live-saving be life-saving?

1FantasyFanatic

Is cui dead?

C_Mantis

Liz was about to eat his brain so correct.

Shukketsu

Note to Sect: 3 Tiers + Home ground is not enough, try 5 Tiers next time

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Jason Becker

Minor correction suggestion: “…you can beat us in a fight. Right here, right now, as fair as can be. The two of us against the two against you.” The final sentence should probably read “The two of us against the two of you.”

A Flashy BR

Great fun!

Keegan Moss

Who needs a Clapper to turn lights on, when you can have a Snapper to turn magic off

lockx

Still would have implied that the two leaders were good enough to tier up from. Like an inspiration.

Havokk

definite points for taking the long overused "you are courting death" troupe and making the " I've never been called death before" joke...... Well played and got a laugh out of me @C.Mantis

Brandon Cooley

After the fight. As a way of showing they alot more to give and just wasn't needed

Discordian23

Nov 15th... Good Date.

austin kutz

Nah, that would be putting way too much importance on some random sect leaders, nearly to the point of putting them on a pedestal. They aren't worth that much effort. A quick spar to show they could be easily killed by people several tiers below them is enough

Zack

Nah, tiering up would have been admitting they weren't as strong as they thought and needed an extra boost. This battle was all about perceived strength and tiering up would have lost them some of that, even if they won.

James Faulkner

The finger snap is so good lol, Tftc!

John Balman

Hehe 😅😂 tyftc!!!

Brandon Cooley

That would have been a beautiful moment for them to both tier up

Violet

Failing that, default to percussive maintenance.

Bob Bryan

Cui just lost, right.

Violet

The arrogance isn't about Matt and Liz. It's about the rest of the audience. I doubt that the sect leaders thought their chances were great, though they may have thought they had a chance with the difference in age and tier. But the real threat they have to account for isn't Matt and Liz. It's their own sect members seeing them as weak and usurping them. Also, it's just the concept of face itself. -- Consider the four potential cases for them. 1. Act Humble and Win: The victory comes across as a near thing or a fluke. The sect leaders beat two Tier 26s (unless MLA hit 27 during the trip and I missed it?), so what? Maybe a Tier 27 or Tier 28 can get lucky and beat them. And they get no face out of the win, since they were punching down and not even confident! 2. Act Humble and Lose: An expected result from weaklings. They knew they would lose and they did. Hardly worthy to represent these proud sects! A massive loss of face for not just the sect leaders, but their sects as well. 3. Be Arrogant and Win: As expected from the mighty, defeating the Empire's Ascenders with grace and ease! The traditions of these sects and their leaders are more worthy than these mere Imperials. There is face in defeating Ascenders, because it is living up to the virtues of Sect values. 4. Be Arrogant and Lose: For those of us not in the context of the Sects, this looks bad. From the perspective of the Sects, the powerful sect leaders were defeated by the even more powerful Ascenders (who are, after all, Ascenders!), but they acquitted themselves with pride. There is a small loss of face, but not much under the circumstances. Moreover, the audience has seen people acting powerful and giving a good showing (which is why Matt and Liz let the fight go on as long as they did) and still being definitively beaten by the Ascenders. They are far less likely to get the bright idea that rebellion might be possible and thus get everyone in the local sects killed.

Derze

Badass. Ultimate Power couple

ValkyriaObscura

Okay, charging Liz up for a tribulation strike kamikaze run certainly has style points 😆

Throngler In Chief

Sometimes to fix a problem person you just need to turn their mana off and on again. - The Ascender's Guide to Creative Solutions

Ray S.

Does anyone else keep expecting Allie just to randomly show up with Valentina's head one day as a gift for Dena?

Owen Kaz

Ah, the perfect time for a "know your place, trash" Jokes aside great chappie and Matt just saying "How about no" to massive spells will always be hilarious to me. Like, it's unexpected to the point where I see Matt using the ability against foes in the high tier 40's when he's only in the low 40's. His mana is infinitely higher than theirs will be, and so when they pull off what should be big and surefire moves against Matt, turning it around on them for an instant W, or at least a massive hit, should be his bread and butter.

Tommy

I think with arrogance, when a person thinks they’re better than everyone it warps their view until they can only see that they are the best and everyone else is worthless. It’s prettty insidious, especially if everyone around them is a “yes man” reaffirming their greatness. So yeah, we can see it as dumb but to them it makes sense. I imagine even after losing they’ll come up with some lies as to why and then work to get stronger I guess

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis! Thanks Dae! Have a fun trip Mantis! I know height and such is genetic, but I believe it still has some parts as diet. I wonder if some of height and build is cultivation, Cultivating early lets people be healthier. Maybe it is health or maybe it is some subconscious control of the body that isn't conscious till T15. I do love Matt launching his wife on a bolt of lightning. Fake teleportation and minor mental effects is a nice combo, good instincts. Does it make sense to be [False Wound] when it is less showing fake wounds and more hiding real wounds? Or is that a more expert usage of the skill? Maybe a translation error. I do love that Matt and Liz chatting feels fine, we know they are strong enough that they can relax while fighting to chat. Or trash talk. Matt is not impressed with Doc Ock. Not sure fully overwhelming, but certainly casual.

Patrick S.

I hope we get back to rifts soon 😊

Tommy

Awesome! That snap of the fingers was PEAK. TFTC!

Isiah Debarros

You right but at least that are consistent

Bunny Waffles

Seriously guy. I KNOW a spectacular members you gotta be arrogant as a default setting, but against Ascenders? Really? That was never going to end well.

Luna_1001

Thanks


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