Patrefans
C_Mantis from patreon
C_Mantis patreon

Chapter 399

🕑 Added 2025-02-14 19:59:01 +0000 UTC

Comments

Jonathan Simon

On the dollar a month, I'm not sure it's worth coming here versus RR. Still giving, of course.

KnightRider007

I dunno, it makes them *angry*, but they’re not supposed to be able to actually deal with this sort of thing (since it’s not direct combat). “Bored” wasn’t the target, “frustrated and unable to effectively act” is the target - and this could plausibly have achieved that if Liz didn’t have a decent counter-point with evidence.

KnightRider007

Yeah, the power shutdown feels very sloppy to me. It’s plausible as a panic reaction… but surely they predicted Liz going to a news station? It’s one of the most direct reactions possible.

KnightRider007

Yeah, that “we don’t need an adult” rant seemed *incredibly* short-sighted to me. This wasn’t an attack just on her personally, but on an *Imperial asset* and on the integrity of *the Path itself*. It’s all very well to say they need to stand on their own two feet, but this isn’t direct combat, and they’re facing Tier 40s who have tens of thousands of years of experience and have used those Millenia to stockpile assets, resources, contacts, and leverage. This is a completely unfair fight in an arena that MAL don’t even specialise in, with potential for massive collateral damage affecting people who depend on them. Pull your head in and ask for help - like a *mature adult* would.

KnightRider007

Yeah… that actually was a bit immersion breaking. These people are still *eight Tiers* higher than MAL. Their fear seems somewhat unjustified

KnightRider007

Bloody Hands didn’t guess the Talent, he found what he thought was a glitch in his simulation, and rejected the possibility himself. It was Gan Le who proposed that it might actually be real, and *specifically* a Talent, and everyone (including Bloody Hand) laughed him out of the argument.

Julie Smith

You have a lot of company in the English-speaking world. Perhaps 1% of people know what the word means.

Julie Smith

Oopsie! The cabal, probably the Senses cabal, made a horrible mistake--and then another one. Their one hope is that this was done through an intermediary who wON'T betray them to save their skin. I wouldn't bet on it.

HunterIV4

One fascinating thing about this story is the way the "no punching down" aspect creates real challenges not just for those weaker but also for those who are stronger. Could a tier 40 defeat Matt? Yes, absolutely, but if they actually tried to attack, someone higher tier would obliterate them before they could even finish the attack. With the ranges and talents involved the high tiers are just that fast; even the T19 lady that imprisoned the essence stone guy was almost killed by a higher tier and stopped immediately. So the tier 40s are limited by utilizing their lower tier allies to harm them unless they want to get obliterated by royals and those lower tier allies have no hope of defeating Ascenders in an outright fight. Organizations run at multiple levels, so if Matt simply obliterates their entire T27-T32 or so organization, they lose, as they are just as helpless at physically stopping Matt as he is to physically stop them. It's a unique type of world building and makes a lot of sense compared to stories where literal gods walk around avoiding to kill weaker people because they don't feel like it.

Drew Tunison

I personally want someone to crack cabal encryption similarly to how enigma was was cracked in ww2. Basically I want all message traffic within the cabal to end with 'glory the cabal' or some such nonsense.

Tom C

Yeah. Kinda hope Manny has plans ready to go if MLA can’t resolve it. Mara and Leon will be fuming

Jason Becker

Interesting! Got any hints you can share on the new series or do you want to hold off for the time being?

JM O'Hare

Blank skill shard use are not realm changing.

Preston

358 I believe

Darthnarciss

The Empire doesn't arrest for thought crimes. None of the actions taken previously amounted to more than armed theft (hiring pirates to steal the Aura potions), and pushing people to be greedy (the winter bloodlines items). This however has touched on two Imperial nonos. Using the likeness of an ascender, and messing with the power grid. At this point actual crimes have been committed, the powers that be will move if they haven't been already. And it just comes down to, will the cops get there before the ascenders? (Emps already said he ain't doing crap about crap unless asked or to prevent something worse. Emps would've known no lives would be lost to any actions so far so wouldn't have moved independently)

Darthnarciss

Not really, I mean, the amount of damage any T27 ascender can do to planets/corporations what have you is already mind boggling, I mean it mentioned in the last delve chapter how just pushing his concept would make an at tier planet uninhabitable. That's not even touching on the fact all the Empires ascenders are known to be at the very least work colleagues if not friends which means the teleporter that can go literally anywhere, the veritable God of Water, and the most powerful active ascender who happens to be a damn dragon known for...removing annoyances. Then you have the Royals and the Emperor. Yeah. The only feasible reason none of the royalty has gotten involved is dubious legality and plausible deniability. The cabal (or unknown agents) just shot themselves in the foot with this one, impersonating an ascender (or even using their legally protected likeness) is a big nono as stated, PLUS they messed with the power grid. Hiring some pirates, meh, kids stuff. This new crap? Real sh*t.

Justus Saucedo

So Emanuel domain is "I am not a tyrant" so he wouldn't just cush the cabal targeting MLA. On top of that thier are laws keeping people from attacking down. Manny being a T50 holds himself to that. Let's also not forget thier are laws stopping Manny from interfering with nobles with his future sight, it's also politics. Which makes it all complicated

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Alex

It may have been a month since Titan’s Torch released info on how to create skills in blank skill shards.

Isiah Debarros

Also, like the whole reason why they aren't getting involved because Matt and Liz and Aster could face like real world consequences if they don't actually live their life experience life on their own. Like Matt would of probably taking way longer to figure out his truth if no one was opposing his guild and he's probably not the only one that's gonna experience growth

Isiah Debarros

I mean, I doubt that it's exactly a secret for anybody who has authority. Like the only reason why Matt and the others are having a difficult time is because their new players whose power mostly comes from institutions and people they are not willing to use for this issue

Isiah Debarros

I mean, I think it's less that the empire was gonna react and more that the empire's reaction was tame because Liz and Matt we're going to handle it for the most part. Like if they didn't care about asking for help. This issue wouldn't exist in the first place.

Isiah Debarros

That would probably get him in legal trouble

Isiah Debarros

Yeah, this last one was particularly sloppy. Like the news station was suggesting that it might be a secret military facilities was gonna get them the hammer anyway

Isiah Debarros

I mean it's safe to assume they wouldn't know anything about any of their domains other than what people assume.

Isiah Debarros

I mean all of the higher tier people in the empire know who the top players that would be against them would be the only reason why the people who are against them is a secret is cuz Matt, Liz,aster are new and most of their power is from the Empire, which there are refusing to actually use

Kain

It’s been made pretty clear the empire’s high tiers are letting MLA do their thing and are not actively participating in these investigations/in this conflict, at least not seriously. Could manny look at the future to see who the cabal is, yes, has he already done that, almost certainly, is he going to tell MLA that, not unless they ask and they aren’t asking.

JM O'Hare

What chapter did the secret cabal meeting happen again? I want to reread it

Kain

I mean even during the war there was plenty of doubt about the mana stone thing. I think Blood hands even vaguely guessed his talent correctly , he was shot down of course, but it’s not like we ever got enemy pov of them buying the mana stone gambit hook line and sinker. There are also precogs in this world and Matt just doubled up his mana again I have to think that every tier up his “weight” in the realm gets heavier making it harder and harder to hide him and his mana from said precogs. And they don’t even have to identify his talent they just have to clock him as something they really really need to look into. As for it being too soon I’m not suggesting they will figure it out/confirm it quickly, if it is outside forces they’d have to be extremely careful and slow going about it to not alert Manny and the Empires real counter intelligence forces. Laying out small traps/opportunities for Matt to use immense amounts of mana and seeing what/how he does it each time hoping for a slip up or tell could take tens to hundreds of thousands of years to actually get any real results.

JM O'Hare

The chapter has an error about the timeline: first it says "With the timing being just a week after Ascender Titan’s reveal, it feels like this was rushed" and later on we get "Just a month and a half after your Realm-changing announcement."

Alex

Its good training for them. They gotta practice their specialty and stuff at some point anyway, may as well practice it on cases that relate to them. Besides, Ascenders aren't rational xD just cause letting Manny deal with it makes sense, doesn't mean they don't want to do it themselves.

Matt H

@Mantis I'm not going to say that MLA can't have triggers or character weaknesses, but Luna had 13 Tiers to address this issue after the outcome of Minkalla. The idea that Luna hasn't beaten the reticence out of MLA in asking/allowing assistance from people is utterly ridiculous. Any obvious weaknesses should've been prime targets for Luna. @Tristan Don't bother. This whole situation is going to end up as some sort whetstone for MLA so rationality gets thrown by the wayside. Either "the powers at be" were aware of everything all along and allowed things to progress as they did (i.e. the last war); or MLA will, somehow, be more effective than the Empire could've been against a group of individuals ~15 tiers higher than them.

Matt H

Please, correct me if i'm wrong, but this chapter seems to imply that MLA, at T27, will somehow discover/bring to light things that the entirety of the Empire's assets related to Ascenders are unable to in a similar timeframe. Are we going to pull the whole "the powers that be" were aware of everything all along and are planning a trap (again), or will the intelligence apparatus of the Empire continue to be incompetent?

fruit dragon

If the story ends at Ascension then it ends at Ascension. But if you could throw us One post Ascension chapter I think that'd be fun. Also very excited to see what you do next! Thank you for the story

Sean C Jackson

I imagine this mistake was made because they don't have the perspective that Manny's talent gives him on how fruitless it is to try to predict Ascenders.

Sean C Jackson

Yeah, for tier 26s to bring down a tier 30 boss without any of them having even part if thier Aspects yet is insane.

Sean C Jackson

Well it's common knowledge that his concept let's him boost the mana regeneration of others and they worked pretty hard to make it look like his talent let's him use a mana Stine to temporarily boost his maximum mana to the amount the stone holds which since even at Tier mana stones hold far more mana than most people could ever dream of even being their max I think it's too soon for this to be a problem.

Andyr98

If it's in the same universe have the pop up in background of hereing there tier 50+ exploits like hearing about Duke waters was before the wedding

C_Mantis

Current plan is to end the story at the ascension. There isnt really any plot points I can do there that I cant do here and I don't want to be one of those stories that drags the story out forever. Also I have other series I want to write.

Jason Hatter

Right. Let Ascenders be Ascenders, and while all eyes are on them, Harper's people are slipping in behind the glare.

Jason Becker

This is Matt. Just have him create them on all the surrounding world as public rifts.

CringeWorthyStudios

To be fair, there’s a very good chance that Manny is already acting, he’s just being subtle about it.

Preston

I think I'm most curious to see what form the retribution takes. The cabal is still much higher tier than MLA. So I feel like violent punishment is off the table unless they turn them in to Manny or Mara/Leon. I think it would be fun to see Matt conduct a full economic war on a collection of companies/groups. Make ten thousand Winter rifts, flood the immortal markets with ridiculously cheap materials that the cabal has a monopoly on, poach all their workers just for shits, etc. Not sure how much he can do though without tipping his hand with regards to mana regeneration, though. I'm always a bit surprised by the viciousness if they media given how much charity work Matt has contributed to the realm. I suppose they're all bought and paid for above a certain tier. It'd be funny to watch all the lower tiers rally around Matt and start boycotting goods produced by certain cabal factions. I feel like if Matt seriously began to monetize his products he would drive everyone it if business. I feel like we need some cabal reaction chapters to see how much they're sweating or if they're really arrogant enough to think they'll get away with it.

Mario Morales

The nuke theft is a very apt comparison. I can't see how a government could let an asset as important as an ascender be taken out in this fashion. I don't think they're at that point yet, but I fully expect there to be a ton of background support getting prepared for the just in case at this point.

Mario Morales

Yeah, publicly slandering (or whatever the proper term would be) folks that are super powerful and are your government's ultimate weapons of war seems phenomenally stupid and a great way to make more enemies than any gain you could get.

Kain

I feel a twist coming. Idk something about that secondary attack and its relation to large amounts of mana just feels off. The current assumption is that these attacks are from the cabal of hidden empire business people and interest holders that are conspiring against MLA, and that they are hurried/rushed because of Matt’s recent announcement. What if it’s not actually them what if it’s factions from outside the empire probing for information about Matt’s talent. Everyone knows he used a ton of mana it’s the how, and the true extent of the mana, that people don’t know. I just wonder if we will see other situations that require Matt to use or manipulate large quantities of mana in the coming chapters.

Martin Banks

I get the feeling they are brining it down by letting the team do what they want

Jsar

We also saw from Manny's POV that protecting them too much is likely to backfire. Gotta let them grow and mature to get the best results down the line.

Martin Banks

So glad they got to do the whole. We will find you and we will end you speech. These guys are not average even by ascended standards if they can impress luna the crazy perfectionist these people are toast... I can't wait to see some put down

Andyr98

Now we all know that eventually the true war is gonna happen but will the story continue to the next realm hopefully so

Owen Kaz

The last few ascender's led them to be hasty and overconfident. Matt alone is endless, even without Liz and Aster. And despite this, they assumed he wouldn't pursue this till the very end? Fools

Blake N.

It’s short for badasserynissitude

Aaron Hardin

Encryption Keys (which depending upon the encryption type, could be used to encrypt, decrypt, or both), are likely created using a talent where trying to create one from scratch as an outsider without a talent to crack the encryption is almost impossible without a similar talent, but that doesn't prevent the one creating the initial encryption from providing keys to other to use said encryption.

Havokk

yeah that was satisfying....... and the mere fact that Liz can make someone who immortal ( since they mentioned that it was only the high tier stations that were reporting at the time ) lose control of bodily functions enough to piss himself is FANTASTIC. I think we are all hoping that this actually leads to the Cabal and we get to see some heads start rolling

Alex

This all reminds me of something Manny said in his last PoV chapter. While he's contemplating the unique perspective he has with his father's precognition Talent, he talks about how Ascenders are inherently chaotic. They're virtually impossible to predict, and they have a much greater influence on the fate of things they interact with than they rightly should. I think a fundamental mistake the cabal have made is assuming that they can counter MAL by having plans in place for whatever they're going to do. What they've failed to understand is that you can't predict an Ascender; you can't be ten steps ahead of someone when you have no way of knowing what they're going to do next, and no way of measuring the ripple-effects of their actions before they've made them. Now the cabal are being caught flat-footed, reacting instead of acting, because their carefully orchestrated traps and contingencies have been rendered moot by circumstances they had no way of predicting, and it shows in how sloppy they're getting. Trying to shut down the broadcast was a mistake; they've as good as confirmed that there ARE bad actors trying to damage MAL's image, and it's going to make any future attempts to slander them much less effective.

fruit dragon

Isn't the way you're supposed to fight Asenders is to make them bored. This doesn't scream bored to me

Tom

So... anyone else want a quick PoV of Manny holding Leon and Mara back from going on a rampage the moment that 'scandal' hit?

fruit dragon

Just putting out ideas for how they're going to f*** over the cabal. Matt could go and destroy a planet's worth of winter riffs for the Winter wolves just to say f*** you

yannick schwende

I'm not a native speaker, so no I didn't know that word. Thank you for pointing out, that it was a real word and not a spelling mistake. Though I have to admit that I have never even used its translation in my mother tongue.

yannick schwende

Great chapter and well written. The mistake feels natural but not too obvious. I really like how Matt and Liz handled it. Thanks Mantis, thanks Dae.

Louise

Yeahhhh! I do so love it when they show their true badassery. (That's a word and you can't prove otherwise)

Dawson greene

Bro doesn't know what specious means

arsha

Lmao it’s funny cause at the end, when they do find the perpetrators, Matt and Liz don’t need to do anything. After the true war, Matt just needs to restrict his mana from being used by these people and their businesses that they felt were threatened will be destroyed economically. Time will do Matt and Liz’s job for them at that point.

C_Mantis

Fixed ty

yannick schwende

Spelling error: " specious" - " suspicious"

Burgismik

So good, I also like the exploration of this universes version of cybersecurity, how with magic it changes the scope that people can mess with tech.

C_Mantis

It's also very much Liz's sore spot.

Ray S.

Always fun when ascenders are being ascendery.

Tristan R Mitchell

"we need to show that we aren't children whining to daddy"? Really? This is LITERALLY what the channels to the Royals and Emperor are FOR. Slandering an Ascender, taking their likeness, and all that? That is like trying to steal a nuke from the US. They shouldn't NEED to go to Manny and such, because Manny and such should have ALREADY started moving. This is beyond politics, it is an attack on the strategic and military potential of the Empire, and that gets the hammer.

Discordian23

The final war is coming

Erriballon

Thanks for the chapter 😋

Tom C

This storyline is great! It’s got action AND mystery. And with Matt’s aspect truth revelation (sort of) and their levelling, it’s got progression too! TFTC

MikeL

I don’t think Piss Pants will lose that nickname easily. He may need to change the name of his show.

Captain the Red Beard

Noooo, I don't want to wait till Monday for vengeance, I want it now!!!

Bob Bryan

They always mess up don't they. Always. Though just once, just once I would love to see Manny and the rest of the royals just bring it down on people like that, just show all those "sneaky people" just how "brilliant" they are. Though matt,liz and aster going on a tear will be fun.

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis! Thanks Dae! specious: Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious. There will always be conspiracy theorists. So many times people have proved the Earth is round, even Flat Earth's have proved it and then been doubtful. Gotta love casual human experimentation to show who the bad guys are. It is good build up for feeling no remorse when the dominos start tumbling down on them though. I like that they are immortals as even the cliche layabout son is millennia old. So even if they were truly unaware It feels less like an ignorant arrogant teen being killed. Woohoo! We got a person actually pissing themself from fear. Extra embarrassing for an immortal with supposed body control and not actually needing to eat and drink. I do appreciate the note that there were news channels that held back to make sure they were having actual news and not gossip. I swear, if Matt's mana is revealed because of some dumb stunt like powering a news room I will be annoyed. I'd forgotten that most mana generators work best with inspected mana. The second attack really does feel too sloppy for the Cabal. And on second thought even the first one just involves an apparently simple spiritual camera seeing her having a weird aura, easy enough for T45s to have. I do love Liz becoming more like her Parents and not really thinking about it. I hope her siblings have taken note of it. Encryption Talents are interesting options. I wonder how the other half would decrypt it though, as Talents are relatively unique. Just a stronger Tier Talent or is it just made into gobbledygook to send out and a decryption Talent on the other side clears it up? I am intrigued by how you would track wormholes. Assumedly magic but still interesting. Always nice to feel yourself making progress. Hope everyone reading this is moving ahead in life and/or in happiness.


More Creators