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Chapter 402

🕑 Added 2025-02-24 19:59:01 +0000 UTC

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TwoMoreYears

Using a secret society is a great idea and definitely brings context to earlier chapters. Relating it back to the academies makes me feel like I should have figured it out sooner in a good way. Also shows off why having shadow be a friend but not the main characters power set is such a good story device. Can cut through the established travel time when needed but take her away as the story demands. Great chapter.

Julie Smith

This is their best breakthrough yet. They found the programmer and the link to the bloodline crime group. Now there's a secret society behind him as well. How is this related to the Senses Cabal? My theory: One of the Senses Cabal is a member of the secret society and engaged Rafi through the society. One layer of separation.

Thorngrim Steelfist

I hope you have a T47 rift for time dilation available, I need more chapters

MinE

I assume there is a difference between unwilling and consenting in copying talents. At minimum they could take a potion that reduces their spiritual defenses.

Shaun McDonough

Oh 100% he can CHOOSE to do what others say. I just found it funny that it was the way they tried to test him out is all 😆

teehee15

Eh, I would argue that Matt has shown several times throughout this story that he is perfectly capable of being a "good soldier" who follows orders. That doesn't mean he isn't the master of his own destiny, it just means he might be selective of who he chooses to take orders from. His fellow Ascenders seem like people he perfectly trusts to give him orders without him feeling like he isn't in control of himself.

Matt Brown

I just thought it was in her pocket or something. Just a stick she found and decided to keep in case she needs to poke someone

C_Mantis

I hadn't considered that angle lol. Your not wrong.

Shaun McDonough

I find it interesting that they try to test Matt out by "telling him to break out" when his who thing is basically "no one tells me what to do". Like forget the ice holding him still. I think the sheer fact of trying to order him would rub up against his "master of his own destiny" shtick than any measly ice would right? 🤔

Apep

True I‘m sure his talent will be exposed at some point. What will be much harder to expose is the scaling factor. Which is the actual scary thing of Matts Talent. Matts Mana Scales Exponentially which is very rare. Im sure the Empire has installed some fail saves that suggest some polynominal scaling which is bad enough to hide it but not realm changing.

orangesnowfox

we all know that only the most powerful of people can be the sacrificial pawns, right..? right...?

Kbzzy

The mana deficit is the issue I would imagine. More high tiers means even less mana to go around for the immortals and they don’t know about Matt

Alex

When Manny's testing Hastor's Talents he says that he can only copy Talents from people who are less than 5 Tiers above him - that's been a non-factor for a while now since he's Tier 50. Also, he needs to overcome a person's innate spiritual defenses to copy their Talents, and he can only do that reliably if the person allows it, or they're 5 Tiers below him. So no, it isn't like he could have used a Tier 35 Talent when he was Tier 3.

MinE

I wonder how that would work, if he was much lower tier. We know T51 Hastor's Talents work fine, ignoring the whole littering the upper realms with swords issue, but would a hypothetical T3 Manny be able to copy a willing Kurt's Talents and be able to use them or would he experience spiritual strain issues or even Matt's Talents. Passive Talents might work similarly to higher tier skills or deep mundane life items where its effectively no spiritual strain unless you push it where it quickly becomes debilitating.

MinE

Wonder what the line is for that, down right impersonation and trying to frame someone for crimes that would make Virgil proud is obviously enough but does being impersonated enough to justify attacking down?

MinE

I wonder how far back this supposed golden age, if its only 100,000 years ago they're impressively stupid. That should be sometime during the idiot who got no diffed by Manny's grandma's rein. How do immortals miss the bigger picture and not understand the benefit of exponential growth in low tier and eventually high tier resources and personnel. If I was a part of any high level noble family, I would at least try and benefit from the reforms instead of making it my lives mission to mess with low tiers, Ascenders, and peak tiers (47+). Maybe something like use the mass production as an excuse to try and ban tier 14s from Minkalla, if I was one of the snobs who thought "unearned" concepts were a disgrace.

Justus Saucedo

So expanding that I think the Pure weight of the tier would crush his brain, even is it a small bomb, even if that isn't true or how it'd work. It might not be as simple if its in the brain. Like maybe having something like that inside them would some how strain the spirit. And Mind Control would be akin to punching down and when they were caught It'd be much worse, we've also been shown there are signs to being Mind controlled. Back in Book 8? with the Dryad tree and that low tried guild. So people would be able to see the tells

Alex

Yeah, but some of the shit Matt did was before he had his Concept; Luna mentions this around the time of the second Ascension in the series when Matt starts working on Intent. She says that people are looking into his stunt of selling mana to the Twin Stars on the training world, and it was turning into a pain in the ass because the Concept explanation couldn't explain where all the mana came from.

Colton Reeves

You gotta remember too, they don't actually hide his mana, they just downplay it as much as possible and claim its part of his Domain, not a Talent. Which is partially true, giving others mana IS part of his Concept, and is well-established. At this point, his Talent is so ridiculous at making mana, who would even believe it if they saw it?

MinE

He either meant the society's own beliefs and goals, or he is being downright stupid. Probably both in this case.

MinE

The whole Secret Master's thing seems like it is copied from the Republic. Stupid as a concept for an educational qualification to be hidden for A) any prospective student focused on anything unrelated to subterfuge and B) any employers not being able to know how qualified someone is because their qualifications are secret.

MinE

Or she is just that good. She did go on an internal rant about how dedicated she is to being the best at teleporting and how under appreciated the finer points of her skill with her Talent is. She pointed out she changers her poses as she teleports and similar subtle but impressive things.

Jimmy Mc

My comment was a suggestion to add degree after Master's - it was a little unclear reading it the first time through!

Andrew Glass

it feels weird that if a society that has tier 46s would leave something like actual mind control as a legitament option against some one who's actually below the tier of the people who they are targeting. not saying they wouldn't use him if his talents are pretty uncommon, they could have put like a tier 35 bomb in him just in case

Tristan R Mitchell

It is Bachelor's by 5, Master's by 10, and Secret Master's by 20. I assume there is a Doctorate by 15 in there too, just not mentioned.

Jason Hardman

TYFTC! set her loose on your origination. -> organisation? His rant would tend to suggest the stagnant faction, or whatever they were called, with the heavy noble connection, harkening back to a glorious history, and all that. It seems likely to be a misdirection though, even if Liz was using some blood ability to make him less cautious.

Ian Lotz

So Allies Focus is a stick? If so that is hilarious It’s the only thing that makes sense to me with Matt having all of his mental enhancements and saying he didn’t see her teleport or retrieve it from her special ring. Also it makes sense with what we know of her domain, in that it drives her to go places she is not allowed to. A literal stick to poke around with

JoshCalmick

There's such a thing as "loyal to a fault" I don't know if I'd call him stupid or not very smart. Definitely agree on the throwaway pawn take, though. Looking forward to getting to the meat of this arc.

Matt H

There's also the fact that the whole system of not punching down tiers ultimately relies on the T50s enforcing it. Given that this is happening in The Empire that means Manny so MLA will inevitably get a fair amount of leeway at this point as long as their actions aren't too blatant or public. If nobody knows you committed a crime who's going to punish you? And while that can help MLA at the moment, it can just as easily hurt them in the future if they ever overestimate themselves and go somewhere without sufficient higher tier supervision.

Sebastiaan B

I'm assuming the bloody result is because it is an incomplete Aspect and thus stuff gets wonky when he pushes too far. I bet that if he somehow had his completed Aspect, it wouldn't result in stuff like that.

Jimmy Mc

One suggestion, this paragraph doesn’t have degree following master’s and before and after include degree “ If one wanted, they could continue to a higher Tier academy, where they could get their Master’s by Tier 10 while also learning more skills, rounding themselves out.”

Havokk

I half expected Liz to respond to the line " The society behind me will protect what I hold dear in the event of my death." with a " Good that just gives us more targets doesn't it?" as anyone coming out to protect anything of his would be instantly suspect

CringeWorthyStudios

“If worse came to worst, they could always ask Kurt, their former Trainer when they were on the Path, to mind control him. They had discounted it because of how much they knew he hated doing so, but it was always an option.” > Now, the real question here is when they’re going to get to head him sing… he’s tier 35, right? I’m sure they can manage it at 34 or maybe even 33 though. Thanks for the chapter!

Tom C

Haha crystal clear to me!

C_Mantis

I almost had Liz mention that but MLA would love that lead to follow.

DicedOnions

So that guy is definitely going to have an "accident" in prison and they are going to have to investigate the investigators

Alex

In the minor arc where MAL catch that woman who has the sacrifice Talent, Kurt says that he got a dangerous Talent rating when he awakened, so we know that his Tier 1 makes his voice inherently dangerous. We also know that Kurt can't compel people who are above his Tier. Kurt's voice has a musical, enchanting quality - the people who can actually hear him talk all remark that everything he says is like the greatest symphony imaginable, so his Talents are probably something along the lines of. Tier 1. Primary Effect: Your voice is enchanting. Tier 3. Primary Effect: People who hear your voice will be compelled by it. Secondary Effect: Grows with Tier. The Tier 1 would be like a passive form of mind control that addled people's wits with just how pleasing his voice was to listen to, whereas the Tier 3 would actually let Kurt control people. I couldn't guess what his Tier 25 is without more information.

SunStar

teaching assistant, let's not give him more credit than he deserves. :P

SunStar

Odds are the lecture was recorded in some manner which would help. But yeah, Harper's people clearly went to town on covering Matt up.

C_Mantis

100% correct tho I will add someone needs to go looking for the stuff. Most of their stuff isnt hiding Matts Talent just redirecting the answer to something else. But yeah the Empire does a LOT of data collection just in case its useful later which isnt a good thing IMO mind you. Feudalism gonna feudal.

Matt H

That's why I mentioned it would depend on what Kurt's T3 Talent is. T1 and T25 Talents are static while the T3 grows as people tier up. It's because Matt's maximum mana is dependent on his T3 and Melinda's T3 Talent is expanding what all it can do that Manny needs to keep getting new copies from them. If Kurt's T1 was something like "Your voice influences/controls people below your tier" it would still work for Manny right off the bat. If it's his T3, then it would be less absolute and dependent on Kurt's tier at the time that Manny copied it.

Havokk

either way he would be guilty of tampering with an Ascenders image which is very illegal and yet that may be the least of his worries lol

Alex

We kind of do get that perspective from April during the training arc after the vassal war - Luna gets Matt to do a bunch of training exercises that risk exposing his Talents, and April nearly has a nervous breakdown when she realizes how much work it's going to be to cover it all up.

C_Mantis

Pretty much. He attacked her first.

Alex

Manny's copied Talents match the Tier of the people they were copied from. When Kurt's Siren powers are first explained, it's stated that his Talents aren't effective on people above his Tier. Kurt went all-in on his Siren powers with his Domain, so his Talents are pretty much absolute for anyone at a Tier where they actually work - with the boost from his Domain he can even use them on a Tier 36 if they have a particularly weak will - but that's about the limit. Manny can't copy Domain-Talent interactions, so his version of Kurt's Talents would actually be weaker than Kurt's version of his Talents.

Tom

I thought the Talent stays at the Tier it was when it was copied, so Manny would only be able to control Tier 35 and below with it. That’s why he has to keep coming back for a new version of Matt and Miranda’s Talents.

Jsar

I'm pretty sure there's been several references to at least four royals, the Emperor and the counter espionage group doing exactly that. I think it could be a fun POV chapter to see the agent assigned that job. Start when he had to cover up some stupid childish stuff like you mentioned, then a growing horror as his work load to hide Matt grows over the years. It needs to end with them being both relieved and horrified that the job is over as he discovers the secret is out.

Tom

Does the fact he did the smear piece against Liz count as him attacking first in regards to attacking down? Or is the “not as enforced when they are over tier 15 + Ascenders”?

Matt H

You know, depending on how they're worded and, especially, which one is his T3, Manny using Kurt's Talents could be utterly terrifying. Not that it really matters since he's both out of contact and not getting involved with things, but it's still an interesting thought.

Rodney

Thanks for the chapter I haven't had this much fun or interest in the dynamics and mysteries of a series since Cradle and all the theory crafting there

Alex

Having a safehouse tracked back to you because you flinched at an inopportune moment 40 years ago shows how fucking scary intelligence organizations are in the PoA world. If intelligence groups are able to operate at that level then it really makes you wonder just how in the fuck Matt's Talents are still a secret at this point - especially since he was a complete moron when it came to using his abilities as a kid: running around using [Cracked Phantom Armor] without a veil at the Playpen, getting a special researcher [AI] that required massive mana throughput to operate, selling mana to the Twin Stars Guild on the training planet while there was a Republic presence on the world, selling mana AGAIN to the Baron on the world where he created his Concept, setting off a golem apocalypse and then creating Rifts on that world in the vassal kingdom which was being used as a nexus point for passing Tier 20s, selling impossible quantities of high-quality rift drops without a fence, powering entire siege cannons in the vassal war - that's just the shit he did before Luna came along!!! If the Empire's spies can figure out someone was doing something fucky because they flinched forty years ago, then the only logical explanation as to why people don't know about Matt's Talents already is that Manny has been doing a LOT of work behind the scenes to cover things up.

yannick schwende

Thanks for the chapter. That guy doesn't seem to be very smart. I mean, how did he think this would end? Well I want to say he got what he deserved, but he seems more like a throwaway pawn. Sad to see a respected teacher do something so stupid. Well as Liz said, he'll have a lot of time to think on his actions.

Havokk

Seeing what Matt does to himself with just his Truth is a good reminder of what an absolute monster DW is.... Also while how Liz handled the spit was great Im surprised we didnt get a side note or internal dialog or something of Matt instantly wanting to atomize him and the world for daring to do that to his wife. It's been shown how much he loves her and wouldnt stand for that for even a moment

A Flashy BR

Damn! Tyftc

WhiteRabbit

That's going to be a rough few millenia

Aiden Bishop

Thanks for the chapter!

C_Mantis

Jack Nicholson would not be proud.

Bob Bryan

So we are entering the fund out part of the presentation. It also looks like matt can't handle the truth just yet

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis! Thanks Dae! I think there should be a way to convey images via telepathy... but I can also say that may fail to convey the weight an image has for yourself. I feel there is some deliberate effort by Mantis to make the explanation convoluted... and I kinda like that. I do love the poking with a stick, "do something." I do like how weak this newly found possible Truth is. Particularly as he hasn't even decided to claim it for himself. It is a possible Truth. Maybe we'll see him end up with a different Truth. I do like when main characters have a wandering way. Casual self disintegration. Tis but a scratch. The flaws of Liz being a puddle as normal and Matt lacking a body to shrug are just fun. Somewhat similar is Matt being told to stop playing with himself. -Aww, Zack and Susanne are still a couple. I am glad that there are still more normal colleges for education. Lol, "Hidden Master's degree" It'll be funny if the group destroys a secret society of high tiers... and it isn't even the Shadow Cabal we the readers have seen. The group the readers have seen didn't seem to know each other. That may be because the society is all about secrecy. Or maybe it is a group of societies that are working together. I wonder if any of the Royals sent a society on a collision course with MAL to give them a chance to improve. Weeding out the bad apples at the same time. Possible but doesn't seem likely. 'I earned my way up in society... I'm so powerful that I let them make me a sacrificial pawn and I thank them for that.' -fiction reflects reality.


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