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Chapter 397

🕑 Added 2025-02-07 19:59:01 +0000 UTC

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KnightRider007

… I don’t think they actually stay at the Playpen that long? I certainly didn’t get the impression that Matt was there for “two to four years”

MinE

I mean a lot of those steps seem to be safety based and it sounds like each step needs time and focus to do and they probably need some time to settle. I can imagine a high tier do a speedrun bringing it down to 2 hours, but they would have to change their methodology a lot.

KnightRider007

I can’t recall, was there a “daily limit” established on how much work *could* be done on making the skills? Ie, could that “two to four years” be brought down by working more than two hours a day?

KnightRider007

How fortunate that Titan’s Torch have *also* released a mechanism for experimenting with Skill development!

nolan saylor

I double checked the spelling as well. I was more amused at the spell checker. I guess I also hadn't thought about spell checkers having a limited vocabulary, they can't look it up online after all.

Julie Smith

Going to my online Meriam-Webster I see: ecu·​me·​nop·​o·​lis ˌekyəmə̇ˈnäpələs, eˌkyüm- It's spelled correctly. Most spell checkers do not have an expansive (100,000s of words) vocabulary.

Julie Smith

Parsing this literally, "statistically lower" means measurable and statistically significant--in other words, something significant, caused by the new skill shards. We used this phrase a lot in Six Sigma to prove whatever process change we made had a proveable impact.

Julie Smith

A dramatic product demonstration, equal to any by Steve Jobs. I am so eager to see the Senses Cabal reaction, I want that to be the next chapter. And speaking of our protagonists' antagonists, they have attacked Aster. She'll react differently than Matt and Liz: more subtly and more viciously. I expect deaths to ensue. Finally, Ra'thala gets some air time. He has tough-going, but is learning and he's relentless, rather like Matt. I expect an explosive development from him sometime in the future, before the coming war.

MinE

Who ever was stupid enough to do that probably got ganged up on by every Ascender in the realm. I'm betting if they managed to ascend, they would have to deal with the Ascender whose family they killed.

Hoid

Ps dont listen to the haters I love the rift chapters

Alex

You need to remember that political assassinations are pretty common in the PoA world: being an assassin is a perfectly valid profession in the Empire so long as you follow the laws on punching down. Combine that with the fact that a lot of nobles are incredibly petty and vindictive, and I think you're underestimating how much of a problem it would be to be the relative of a powerful person after they'd Ascended. Also, this is DEFINITELY something that I would be worried about if I were an Ascender thinking about having kids; Ascenders piss off a lot of powerful people as a matter of course (just look at how MAL have gotten themselves on the Cabal's shitlist). I'm surprised Mantis hasn't mentioned how an Ascender's family was brutally massacred after they departed to the next Realm by all the powerful people they'd pissed off, because I'm 100% certain that's happened before - it's probably the strongest incentive Ascenders have not to make too many political enemies.

Alex

Maybe. But people ascending with their kids doesn't seem that common. At least not for non royals. Kids of royals may want to work in politics themselves. (Not Leon and Maras kids, but I can totally see Fredericks kid trying to make a bid for royal after him.) And then theres grandkids. Sure they're a step removed, but if someone hates the royals that much, they could still attacks them if the kids are gone. There is an argument to be made for ascending together, especially cause it seems to be a 1:3 chance to end up in the same realm if you ascend apart. So ascending together means you get to not potentially loose your family forever. But if you ascend with your parents, are you gonna leave your kids behind? Are they gonna leave their kids behind? Somewhere the line needs to be drawn :) Seems to me that most people ascend alone or with their spouse. I dont know if the kids of royals are really that much of a target. Pretty shitty internal security and stability if they'll have to fear for their lives. Also the new emperor needs to be approved by the old one, so I doubt he'll pick someone who lets abuse of power like that happen to the descendants of former royals.

Alex

I mean, there’s an argument to be made that children of Royals need to advance fast enough to Ascend with their parents when their 30,000 years is up. I’m sure there’s been more than one instance where a Royal Ascended and something unfortunate happened to the kids they left behind because they’d made enemies during their rule and they weren’t around to protect them anymore. It was probably more of an issue in the old dynasty, where I’m betting it was something of a tradition to purge the families of the old guard after they’d Ascended, but I wouldn’t want to risk it if I were a Royal’s kid.

Alex

Just let Travis and Keith advance at their own pace. Theyre immortal. They literally have all the time in the world. There is no need to rush. But Matt is an Ascender. He doesn't really seem to get that some people are happy with slow and steady.

BlueFox

Seconded!

austin kutz

It's only absolutely deadly if you're trying to make a skill that's higher than your own tier though. These are like tier 1 skills. Not likely to threaten anyone's life, just send them to the hospital for observation and hydration at worst That's also why that one tier 15 guy trying and almost succeeding at creating a tier 30 skill was so impressive

Shuvo Khan

TFTC! I need MORE!

Spencer Needler

I have a feeling the enemy powers might also get some of these inventions Matt is releasing at least the Sects and the Guilds. Although the guilds will probably side with the Empre

A Flashy BR

I so want an Echos reaction like series for this development!! TYFTC

Trevor Mergen

Thanks!

Drew Tunison

It will be interesting to see how these self made skills effect the path across all powers. It would be natural for playpens to adopt a more intensive skill making program for the pathers, which will increase life expectancy and increase path completions as more pathers live. The coming true war might have tons of ascenders when it starts in 5000 years.

Donan The Barbarian

Just checked my phone's built in news feed and saw that IGN has a 10 recommend litrpg stories to read in 2025 and there's 3 book covers from different series on the articles thumbnail with the first Path of Ascension cover on the right side! You've done awesome work in the last few years with this series but this might just propel your work into the same level of public fascination as Harry Potter, Twilight, and The Hunger Games achieved in their prime during the last couple decades.

Alex

Unfortunately, Skills have the problem that if you make a major fuckup while trying to create one it will cause serious spiritual damage — these skills are less susceptible to that issue, but they’re not immune to it; Rah says at one point that learning to be cautious when it comes to skill creation is a lesson he only needed to learn once. If kids go experimenting with skill creation it isn’t going to end well.

James Skinner

Sounds better as deeply and personally appreciate it.

Grimmace

Custom skills are one of those things like releasing a programming language where the experts represent such a small breadth of knowledge that what happens when a million or even billion people start making skills is unpredictable. Experts think a certain way, what happens when children are given access? Especially with the relatively low cost since it's just time you know there are going to be some strange variations pop up within a decade.

Ethanos

I’m eating up the drama of this reveal.

C_Mantis

he just needs to absorb mana past his cap to increase his cap which he did last chapter when he Tiered up.

Silver Beard

I thought he had to 'condense' his mana to reach the new milestone for his tier? Perhaps it happened, but I didn't read that it did.

Mason

I like this arc post war. It seems meaningful and pushes the empire into that leadership spot further.

Tucker Glick

I think a manny one with stuff from his father’s tier 50 could be interesting. Just giving an idea of how much this could change in the empire.

Cam

That would be a fantastic addition!

Cam

Freaking awesome! TFTC!

Matt

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when a trillion kids try this out. If only 1 in a 1000 actually try it, and one in a billion, makes something a little odd, "statistically" some interesting niche cases should arise.

UMCDaEMON pp

Love how you pick that up but ignore this ... “..... I personally and deeply appreciate it." That sounds weird aloud.

CringeWorthyStudios

I’d really love to see an echoes reaction chapter to this. Maybe from three perspectives? One of the kids, one of the shadow idiots with the stupid names and… maybe Manny? Or the other Royals. The flower one, maybe? Thanks for the chapter!

Aaron Hardin

It would be funny if the long term issues Matt just created would make some of the great powers in the future desperate enough to accept Matt's proposed tiering up of all the capital worlds, since these being shared open source means that war is definitely a short term solution as you won't gain anything substantial enough to meet the exponentially increasing number of higher tiers over time, and some of the leaders may be far sighted enough to realize Matt tiering up the capitals would help far more than any war winnings, and also his consistent approach of making everything open source (meaning other powers get the benefit of his findings pretty quickly) means that they think he is more likely to follow through enough to make the risk of his existence worth it.

Aaron Hardin

Yeah, wording is awkward, something like "Statistically they also lower the death rate for young delvers substantially" works better, just need to change the word order, but can use the exact same words.

Kazith

It would add to long-term scarcity if we didn’t have our own infinite mana generator who’ll one day supply the Realm.

James Faulkner

Tftc!

Tom C

Great stuff TFTC

Nathaniel Ownbey

Honestly you should not have used Statistically in this sentence it is as death rate is already a measured statistic. I would use a word such as significantly to illustrate the power of skills

David Bean

I would really love to get this chapter from the POV of one of the kids.

Austin

Oh man I kinda hope we get another perspective from the cabal again. I'm sure they're losing their minds

DisgruntleFairy

Despite himself, Matt does have a flair for the dramatic.

Alex

Aura potions remove the bottleneck to immortality, and these new skills will dramatically increase the survival rate of low-Tier delvers. With these two innovations the number of immortals in the Realm is going to skyrocket in the near future; Titan's Torch has open-sourced both discoveries, so this will be the case across ALL of the Great Powers. This sounds like a good thing - and in a lot of ways it is - but it's also going to increase the scarcity issues that plague the Great Powers significantly. The typical solution the Great Powers have for scarcity is to declare war on each other to seize enemy resources and cull the immortal populations. Unless the Great Powers stumble upon some convenient solution to their scarcity problems (like somebody with an utterly busted Talent that lets them shit out impossible amounts of mana), the frequency of inter-Power wars will increase exponentially in the future; with wars occurring more frequently the enmity between the Great Powers will increase over time, making it far more likely that a True War will be declared at some point. All of that is to say that Matt has accidentally created a massive problem that he's uniquely equipped to solve. It's kind of funny really.

Jsar

Great chapter!

Telosa

It's weird. Death rate is already a form of statistic, so "Statistically lower the death rate" is something of a tautology.

Geraden

Oh fun pedantry! A "death rate" is already a statistic. So you are basically talking about "statistically lowering" a statistic which is redundant at best and nonsensical at worst. Additionally, I think "statistically lower" doesn't work even on its own. The verb to lower has a straightforward meaning, but how does "statistically" describe or inform the "lowering"? I think this is conflating "lowering" some measurement by a "statistically significant" amount with "significantly lowering" something. You might even say, "statistically speaking, they lower the death rate..." But ultimately I do agree that it doesn't quite work. It's certainly pedantic and unlikely to really impact readers much. At least imo anyway.

Daniel B

Sounds fine to me, but me and gramer don’t get along.

s476

Sounds fine to me, just what I am used to with statistically significant etc

C_Mantis

If others agree it sounds weird ill change it but it sounds normal when I say it out loud but that might be a regional thing on my side.

John Smith

Great chapter. I will say, this sentence felt bizarre to me as I read it: “They also statistically lower the death rate for young delvers substantially” Statistically lower just sounds odd to me. Lower the death rate statistics or talking about statistical significance would both work. But I also don’t think statistically even needs to be in that sentence.

Domy

Just thinking of the knock on effect. Not only does this create an equaliser for the young, poor and unlucky, but it could potentially create an trend of delvers who, due to their experience of creating skills themselves, learn new deviations of known skills. Add to the possibility of merging skills, then a whole generation of better than average delvers could be created. Or at the very least allow more lower tiers to get over the hump tiers of 1-7

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

Alex

I’m not saying the shield skill is useless, but Matt thinks it’s the worst of the bunch because its growth potential is pretty bad, it doesn’t do anything a buckler can’t do, and it costs mana. I think the kids heard the words ‘defensive skill’ and their brains autocorrected to ‘a skill like Ascender Titan’s signature move’.

yannick schwende

Great chapter. I like how he handled the presentation for the kids. Having them masked and giving them privacy later on are both good moves. While some might claim the fame would be worth having your face revealed to the world, the real world has shown often enough what can happen to a person if they become too famous too early. Great job

Isiah Debarros

I mean, also like a defensive skill early on is pretty good. Like Matt is thinking like a highly confident experienced master warrior. But the ability to spend 2 to 4 years on a skill and potentially never have to buy a shield. Or spend that time when a shield isn't in your normal repertoire so you have something to help you out if necessary is pretty big

William Johnson

Time for everyone to lose their minds! Thanks for the chapter!

MikeL

Nice presentation. But I was hoping for a real Train! 🚂

Alex

Bet the kids wanted the crappy shield spell because [Cracked Phantom Armor] is Ascender Titan’s signature skill.

fruit dragon

The sects are losing their minds

Maple

Good timing, I just finished my reread! Thank you!

John Sanders

Thanks mantis and Dae

nolan saylor

Thank you Mantis! Thank you Daedalus! Ah yes, more meddling from the Shadow Cabal. We were told that people like the Cabal meddle as Ascenders dislike the drama. That the empire dislikes even Ascenders killing too many people. But when weighed in many a balance, Matt is worth a lot. And is fairly willing to slog through things, he is endless in his pursuit of philanthropy. I am a fan of minor touches, such as the girl who would reach the right age later. It makes everything feel just that little bit more alive. Matt's not perfect, but he is trying. He has a great foundation to have empathy. new word: ecumenopolis, a planet-wide city. Of course Patreon, incorrectly, says it is spelled wrong. I do love a good dramatic reveal. modest yet flashy. I look forward to what the future holds. Have a happy weekend.


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