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Chapter 416

🕑 Added 2025-04-25 18:59:00 +0000 UTC

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BeepBoop

I doubt it is only to prevent them from tiering up. Tiering up is part of their plan because it makes so many things much easier and more convenient, but that would only be the foundation of their continued struggle with the forces arrayed against them. Anything that distracts Matt and Liz from taking the initiative again would be good for their enemies and it is even better if it in turn makes it more difficult for Matt to network with various nobles and Knight Orders just as he brought out his new political tactic to give himself a strong place in their society.

KnightRider007

The “Strangers on a Train” gambit? It’s an interesting idea, but I suspect the various Ascenders are too closely associated in the public consciousness for people to NOT conclude there was some collusion.

Julie Smith

You've got some good ideas: 1) flood MLA with Duke level issues--this is exactly what I would expect. 2) Use assets they'd lose from MLA's attacks - that's one I didn't think of. It has this downside: the very use of these assets would point back to the bloodline experiment lab and Galip. Would they get dragged into that? Would it create a vector to identify them?

Julie Smith

Mmm, a subtler attack on Matt and Liz. I really doubt that Eirene is a phony. I suspect they sought out someone in her situation and had thousands or millions to pick from and she was their best choice. The Tier 40 sealed crate is a dead giveaway that the Cabal planted her with the express intent of causing problems.

Ray S.

I wonder if Eirene is actually a plant by that Society

Thomas Todd

I think it's an attempt to alienate Matt from the nobles, if they manage to paint it like she had a harsh but fair contract and Matt is screwing over the Duke because he doesn't like contracts of service to nobles, Matt could face big problems since those contracts are important to the hereditary noble faction as well as the Knightly orders. And considering that usually the sorts of contracts the noble faction uses are harsh but fair and not actually exploitative Matt would lose a lot of support

DicedOnions

I feel like the society is going to try and smear Matt by making it look like he kidnapped the girl for the same reasons they did. I also think that this will lead to interesting things with the contingent of the Judgy Justice League that is coming by for a chat.

Isiah Debarros

I don't think that's a thing

A Flashy BR

Tyftc

Preston

Three things: I hope Matt kills the Duke. I hope that's exactly what the Secret Society wants. And I hope it blows up in the Society's face and they get nothing out of it. It would be a very Ascender-y and specifically Matt-like thing to do. The political equivalent of taking a lethal blow that would kill normal people and shrugging it off like it's nothing. I think it would be good domain growth for him. Realizing that he worries too much about playing into the hands of higher tier machinations, he says F it and starts plowing through the mine field. Then the society freaks out when nothing works. Manny would probably struggle to maintain credibility without giving away Matt's secret though so I suppose it's unlikely.

mly85lc

So the big question here is... what is most sick/funked up combination of [talents] effects that thous "Society" members can places upon "Eirene" that emperor won't step in? It got be quite a lot..

Maakolo

Even if we completely ignore the civil law matters, she very much has a case for being kidnapped... Her disappearance into the ducal estate and the fact that the duke himself provided evidence of fraudulent debts makes a good enough case.

b51015

What are the chances she comes across a bond egg? Better yet, after getting her AI, she dives a rift with a propensity for dropping bond eggs, AI recording can prove it was a “coincidence”. They can argue they were keeping her to make sure of the facts, while she was diving to keep herself occupied, and bond law scrutiny would hopefully put enough pressure on the Duke to make the rest much easier.

1FantasyFanatic

One of these days we really need a chapter from Johannes and the legal teams POV. I bet that would be funny as heck to see them deal with the ascenders antics and problems. TFTC!

Jason Hardman

At this point are they just throwing crap at them to prevent them from tiering up?

Alex

MAL — like all of the Ascenders — have Manny as their direct liege. Ascenders are some of the Empire’s most important military assets, so it’d be idiotic to put them in a kingdom that didn’t have the Emperor as its King. Innes calls the Emperor his liege, so his duchy is probably in one of Manny’s kingdoms too.

MikeL

So the clause to “transfer” her to a new noble, can they be applied by their Royal? And then freed. Matt has all the Royals tied around his mana finger. Curious which Royal he is under. Also which one is Matt/Liz and Aster under?

Xarow

Organising the application of Overhealth on armies before battle.

Xarow

I was kind of expecting them to call in a favour with another Ascender. You fix (decapitate) my problem I will sort something for you later. With none on the MLA team doing the deed it should muddy the water enough that it’s hard for the expected bad media to fix back to them. The whole thing may even get abandoned as wasted effort if MLA don’t kill him.

Psykohamster

I hope the character comes back for the True War. Imagine her Talent applying to whole armies.

DicedOnions

I think the secret society is looking to muddy the waters. They started getting pulled into the light, they could be looking at the start of a smoke screen. Possibly trying to flood MLA with a ton of small Duke level issues while the society is working up a big attack. They could do all this with assets they would loose from MLA's previous attacks and stolen information.

Aiden Bishop

Thanks for the chapter!

Alex

There's a few things to unpack here: First of all, the Talent scanner is 'broken' because at some point it was made MORE transparent by tacking on the rating system: prior to that, the scanner's privacy protocols were absolute, so the only person who would receive any information from the scanner would be the person themselves. Secondly, I think it would be terrible to make the scanner more transparent than it already is. It's bad enough that people are given public ratings, if the actual details of Talents were released - even to select Imperial authorities - a lot of people would be victimized as a result. Remember, if Georgios had access to that kind of information and Matt and Melinda were born during his reign the two of them would be slaves right now - and he was considered a good Emperor. Even Allister says that he would never let Matt out of his sight if he had of been born in the Guilds, and he’s on team Empire for the True War. The Great Leaders are in charge of quintillions of lives. There are very few rulers in the history of the Realm who wouldn't sacrifice the happiness of one person for the betterment of that many individuals, especially when a single Talent can miraculously fix a society's problems.

Alex

If matt pays her debt, doesnt that remove all the leverage that Duke Innes has? Ok, she may still be required to work for him for a certain amount of time, but by empire law all contracts need to have buyout clauses I believe. Matt can pay that too. I doubt it's legal for the buyout clause for a contract done at Tier one to be all that high. At least not by Matt's standards. The bigger issue might be interfering with low tier economies by giving so much money to a T5. But considering she's in debt to a Duke, that might not apply.

Jsar

That would almost have to feel like trading one slave master for another. Telling her to take a few years to feel secure is the only humane thing he could do.

C_Mantis

I know this doesn't make sense from a narrative point of view, but Matt really needs to spend a century or two undercover as an average Imperial citizen. He just doesn't get how normal people think, no matter how many times people keep telling him - especially in regards to things like fighting. Its funny you mention that because it WAS going to be a plot point. I had the idea that all nobles Duke and higher needed to do exactly that but while it was a cool idea it didn't really serve the plot at all. Currently its only royals and up who do that and it really hasn't come up in the story as of yet.

Matt

How much is her debt in tier 30 mana stones? I get that he wouldn't want to pay the Duke off but it seems like a valid option. Matt is basically an infinite money machine. Why didn't Matt suggest that she works for his guild?

Alex

I know this doesn't make sense from a narrative point of view, but Matt really needs to spend a century or two undercover as an average Imperial citizen. He just doesn't get how normal people think, no matter how many times people keep telling him — especially when it comes to things like fighting. Despite living in a reality where immortality is real, most Imperial citizens die of old age. Why? Because attaining immortality requires them to engage in mortal combat with monsters (yes I'm discounting ambient essence cultivation because that's not an option for anyone who doesn't live on one of the Empire’s high Tier worlds — which are rare, overcrowded, and have a very high cost of living — and I'm also discounting being carried through the Tiers because that's prohibitively expensive for most people). That's how much regular people don't want to fight; you can literally offer IMMORTALITY as a reward, and people will still avoid combat like the plague. Telling Eirene that she should learn how to fight is very on-brand for Matt, but it also shows how out of touch he is, because that's just about the last thing a regular person would ever want to hear in Eirene's situation.

C_Mantis

Story wont go past their ascension if that is what you are asking. If I want to to a plot point I can pretty much do everything I want before a reset of Realms.

Jason Hatter

It's a shame that the AI scanner is broken. This is the kind of thing that you would love to put a flag on for imperial oversight. Not stealing the people for imperial service, but so that the empire is aware when a talent like this exists, so they can make sure the end user is not being exploited.

Peter

Will the story end before, at, or after Matt Liz and Aster ascend?

Tom

Yeah I agree and think Matt’s suggestion came from a deeply personal space while Liz was definitely being more practical in most people’s eyes.

Tom

I think the enemies are just trying to buy time, their last hit got them a lot harder that even manny could predict. In their scramble to go to ground they want to set Matt and co off on a righteous crusade to distract him and hopefully make allies as Matt makes enemies

C_Mantis

They are but thats the loophole they used. Writing "Ducal standard" instead of the number. THere is always a loophole.

Havokk

well he has been told twice by the Emperor himself to do what he wants with no concern for any problems it would cause for Manny

Alex

I thought contracts had to be written easy and clear without legal loopholes like ducal standard which is requiring 100x repayment that is mentioned nowhere in the contract.

Kasamuri

Thanks for the chapter

Havokk

thats a nasty trap there. Even seeing the trap for what it is Matt had little choice, now he could have just let them take her back but then they would be promoting all over the news stations how much of a hypocrite he was and not adhering to his stated beliefs. It'll be interesting to see what develops from here

Sean C Jackson

So does Mat just have carte blanche to do whatever he wants?

C_Mantis

I hadn't thought of that. Might have worked but its something that hits a little too close to home for Matt so he over reacts. (Really though I just try not to have anyone be perfect otherwise it just feels like robots moving around other than people.)

C_Mantis

I adjusted some language to make it clear their guards would have handled him not them.

Asura_Vyri

i refuse to believe Matt didnt have any legal games to play to keep Eirene in their duchy while sending Duke Innes away. something like saying Eirene entered into their duchy illegally and they need to arrest her or take her into protective custody. This chapter feels off to me, a bit forced.

Alex

Do Matt and Liz seriously think they can take on a Tier 35? They're Tier 27s, even Aiden would think twice about jumping that many Tiers, no matter how useless Innes is in a direct confrontation.

Alex

If you're (A)merican then it's gr(A)y. If you're (E)nglish then it's gr(E)y.

Bob Bryan

I feel like his enemies, if they did do this, made the wrong choice here. Like, there is only so much they can do, and in the end matt and liz can definitely play this off as they stand against upper tiers using their powers to basically enslave lower times with great talents. Having more people who are going though the ranks want to join them instead of others due to the fact that matt is a good person with a proven record of not trying to exploit them and will go to bat, but literally and metaphysically, for them.

Max

Gray or grey, what would you choose?

nolan saylor

Thanks Mantis! Thanks Dae! Yeah, Talent slaves no longer being able to deny immortality by not forming a Concept is harsh indeed. Immortality really can make the legal system and abuse of power all the worse. Denying people education, such as that you are stuck in an illegal situation and authorities will defend you is also not great. Add in that Eirene may mistrust authorities as the only ones she's know are the ones who have her in this bad situation to start with. Side note, the bar for cage-worthy Talents is lower than thought. Or it's not clear how much of a boost her Talent has... Still, these immortals are dumb to not create better benefits to keep their employees working for them willingly without the risk of execution. They are immortal, they can't escape their problems by dying in a few decades. Everything will come back to bite them in the end. Of the two suggestions I feel Liz was a bit more helpful. She'll take millennia to be able to defend herself from those who trapped her. Maybe Matt's suggestion is meant as a means of self reliance so she never has to reveal her Talent and be a magnet for cages. Or maybe just a mental boost to feel safer, self defense classes don't stop bullets.


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