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The Bellflower Part 11

🕑 Added 2019-08-05 03:51:26 +0000 UTC

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BNevis

Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you sooner (I was trying to focus on writing this last chapter & oof). I definitely get where you're coming from on that. I mean part of my thinking too there was that she wasn't at home & comfortable either. I'm sure once she's in her element & not stressing trying to come up with catalogue blurbs, she's a lot more relaxed too. Not that it's that strenuous as a job, sure, but you know what I mean. Again though, thanks for being honest! I really appreciate it!

Jennifer

Like obviously she didn’t “like it like it” but there was something compelling her to keep eating, something about the process keeps her consuming and able to outweigh the consequences.

Jennifer

Yeah, Dawn was definitely where I was getting that feeling on. I think what was bugging me was that I was thinking about the long term with this stuff? If these characters are on some level foreshadowing what will happen to Rachel and Holly, then what about if they get even bigger? It felt like if they surpassed those sizes we’d be getting them even wheezier and barely breathing from the slightest thing, and that feels... you know 😬. Endgame stuff like “Ooh I’ve gotten so fat!” And “Mmmm, I cant stop eating! It’s too good!” is good, but you don’t want them to like... suffer from it? I guess it’s cause I’m a huge advocate for consent and enjoying the process or the size for the gainer on some level, even in stories like this one ;^^ I wanna see Rachel blimp, but at the same time I’d want her to blimp off of overindulging because she’s enjoying the eating? Even if she reaches truly massive sizes the negatives really are mobility and don’t outweigh them enjoying the process. Like that nightmare she had with the too sweet cookies?

BNevis

While never addressed, to be clear, the Bellflower isn't exclusively for women, it's open to everybody. I'd just say the ratio's pretty off & I'm not above playing favorites in terms of the gains I personally like following. Looking back, the bus stop scene in the last chapter probably would have been the place to explore that a little better & I missed my window. Or the BBQ in the courtyard before that. That said, I could see the Penny at a similar more male-centric building being called Caddy or something since they're boring executives that are obsessed with golf. I felt like giving Rachel distractions would maybe be a good time to start ramping things up with her. Here she seems to start to notice the initial change in herself but is a little too busy to dwell/immediately address it. But that way it's constantly on the back of her mind. A little like how she's been trying to watch what she eats until she realizes she hasn't eaten anything & is suddenly starving. Which will only make it worse. As far as Deidre, I don't think she was intending to be outright manipulative here so much as just Holly's friend first & foremost. So kind of firmly more on her side insomuchas Holly seemed desperate to find Rachel some work. And to a certain extent, as someone a little higher up the totem pole, she does have loyalties to the company & would see Rachel as something of an asset for them so its a win-win for her. Whether she's in on it? Time will tell. I feel like your criticism is valid & if it stands out as something off-putting, I can definitely look to avoid mentioning characters being out of breath. I understand where you're coming from & I'm certainly not aiming to make folks uncomfortable. Without trying to sound callous or evil, for me, an out of shape fictional character getting winded easily skirts the line & plays a little more into one of those accompanying details that denote the overall physical change. Much the way outgrowning clothing, breaking chairs, or getting stuck places would. At the end of the day, realistically, none of that stuff's very good either, so for me, it's a bit on par. Though definitely not as fun as popped buttons or something. And maybe it is because this is a work of fiction & as writer, I know the characters are safe from over-exertion or long term health consequences, to me, it was a detail that felt game to throw out there as a way of showing how they're impacted by their gains. That's not to say it's some sticking point, or that I particularly like the idea, especially of them struggling, or gasping for air. Honestly, I think the only time that's happened so far was Holly on the sisters' jog. And there it was intended to be a little endearing & used to make her sympathetic. Show how out of shape she's become in comparison to Rachel who's just average. And that turning things around was going to be one hell of a challenge. In the more recent cases, my aim was to be a lot more subtle than that in terms of how out of breath they were. Not as severe, just some a little winded. But I can understand how with some of the bigger characters that could still maybe be a bridge too far & can look to correct moving forward. The two instances that I think stand out to me in the past two chapters were Courtney at the bus stop & Dawn in her office. With Courtney, I was looking to get across the fact that she had managed to get herself all the way from her unit & to the bus stop on her own prior to Holly's arrival. I feel like it's at least a little justified to bear mention given her size, though I mightve played up the irony a little too much in that she just seemed to catch her breath when suddenly the bus was showing up. With Dawn, it's probably a lot less fair in that she was really not doing anything to really exert herself. The intention was to put forth the idea that while she's comparable to Courtney's size, she maybe wasnt as athletic starting off in the first place & I dont know, kind of put forth the idea that in relation, Courtney's coping fairly well with her gain, transitively? But like I said, that probably isn't quite fair, & I appreciate your candor. Don't be afraid to be honest with this sort of stuff. Like I said, I'm not writing it looking to upset people (or at the very least, the accepting audience) so if something's upsetting, please let me know!

Jennifer

Rachel didn’t notice the “Bellflower... FOR MEN” down the street. She’d have to take a mental note for that. A bit fascinated by Deidre, wondering if she’s in on it or is that boss who’s just naturally a little manipulative for her company. Love the look Rachel’s sporting! I was excited to imagine buttons to fly off it down the line, and her being soon well experienced with her plus size clothes branch. It is cute seeing her potbelly already forming, and her bottling up any worries about it to the side! Her relationship with Holly (being manipulated by Deidre) was very cute and heartwarming as well. A little critique, if I mind? It may have been just this chapter, but I’ve noticed mentions of “she looked like she was already out of breath” happening a bit? At least to a noticeable degree. I can’t exactly express it in words but I thought I should voice concern, or a warning? I know we all love the immobility or the heaviness or movement stuff with the whole wg/inflation thing, and I know this is a more “realistic” weight gain story. But I feel mentions like that skims the line on genuine health problems that can come with extreme amounts of weight? Of course there’s always gonna be a level of unhealthiness with stories like these, but you know what I mean? The only other thing I can think of to say is how like a lot of media depicts fat people as doing anything and immediately being exhausted, or they’d die going up the stairs, or something fatphobic like that. And I’m NOT saying you’re on that level AT ALL, there’s lots of fat ladies in this story that are moving around just fine and being themselves, fat or not! But again I felt a weird potentially uncomfy feeling with that specifically and wanted to let you know to get your thoughts on it. I still really enjoyed the chapter just to reiterate!!

Josh Gibson

Yeah, good point. Her new coworkers are all eating while hinting that Nadya has gotten too fat to leave her apartment.

BNevis

I think in trying to watch what she ate the day before, she just got hungrier & hungrier, & while it is on her mind, she just couldn't fight it. Plus she did have a lot of other stuff on her mind. But I mean... that's how it happens! LoL

Josh Gibson

Whatever is behind all of this seems pretty powerful. Rachel clearly is suspicious about what’s happening to everyone around her but doesn’t seem to think too much about how many of those sandwiches she’s putting away herself.


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