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128. How do you like your chances?

🕑 Added 2025-12-05 22:43:01 +0000 UTC

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Jonny Mad

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Hastumo

That is a good analysis. Overall the details like the transitions of power and such are "in the proposal" And will be revealed with the one that passes. As for questions once again I didn't want to sit the reader down for an entire discussion, the points you mentioned will be shown as they are implemented over the length of the novel. And some more detail will be given and discussed once the vote is done

yohan gu

The two proposals are not truly contradictory, nor are very good or very bad. Let’s start with the observation Sam makes: mages are currently weak, the mortal world strong. Of course mages can’t fight mortal armies, that would be ridiculous. So, for the moment no overt takeover of power through force is possible. However, is that what this is about? There was a lack of discussion of means, but it’s obvious mages wouldn’t fight for power, they have other subtler means. Which, incidentally, match the story’s vibe. Mental manipulation of key figures, threats to individuals, use of curses and demons to manipulate hierarchies to push the desired candidates and hobble others. All hidden, with intelligence agencies and anything that could mount a response as a priority targets. Democracies should be relatively easily co-opted this way. So, puppeteering the world while having the monopoly on magic should not be impossible, merely require coordination within the magical world, on top of a general increase in level. These two requirements, are what should be kept in mind, but seem to be forgotten by both parties. The nobles’ proposal has the obvious flaw of only mentioning religious organizations as a conduit for power. This frankly sounds manufactured to make the better proposal look bad, but let’s accept it as is. This doesn’t give everyone in the arcane world their share of power (and doesn’t fit the excellent speech by de Rochechouart talking about controlling firms, which I understood as a free for all where mages would split the world among themselves) and doesn’t explain how to manage the transition, especially how they’d convince massive governments to give up power and not try to make their own groups of mages to respond to problems, which is the real threat in the long term. Still the use of religions is an excellent move, they already have vast networks and administrations, so they’d be able to expand and take over more responsibilities easily and their central object should become way more relevant as souls are proven to exist and their exorcists to have actual God given power. The problem is that as was shown here the proposal was incomplete. Q’Shar’s proposal is to make an intermediary between the mortal world and the arcane one to manage the relationship. This part, as a transitional structure before the mages fully take control, is not contradictory with the previous proposal, I’d actually say something similar would be needed anyway. Working with mortal authorities on some topics would expedite the mages’ power growth. They could take the burden of managing paranormal events from the mortals, preventing them from growing this capability in-house (working on the magic monopoly issue) and get authorization or assistance in collecting people that reveal magical power. Indeed highjacking mortal governments as someone implied. The problem is that I’m describing what this should do and not what it was described as doing. This organization should not be an aim, but just a means, a facilitator to transfer power more smoothly from mortals to mages. In particular, the collaboration with mortal agencies should give no insight to them into the magical world and no knowledge to grow their own powers should be dispensed. If this Guild is the only thing tried, mortal governments will not fall, they’ll strengthen, they’ll learn and they’ll take over from the mages. Thinking just making a guild and distributing secrets will save mages when what’s threatening them, mortal governments, are also strengthened by this and made able to whether the reintroduction of mana is absurd. Also, in the less charitable interpretation of how this guild would operate, they would just become government contractors and they’d do none of the things discussed above. Instead of a transition of power from the mortal to the arcane world, it would be the reverse. Overall, both proposals are flawed, a corrected version would see a mix of both implemented. The nobles’ proposal lacks a description of the short term transition and betrays Rochechouart’s ideal. Q’Shar’s would prop up governments giving them the only thing they lack, so doing condemning mages. Finally, the discussions (in an ideal world with rational people, so it’s understandable that these were not the topics covered) should have been about: - How to optimize mage’s growth now that mana is back? - How to ensure latent magical talent is found and trained? - How to ensure mortal society doesn’t get its hands on its own mages? (People like Josh are an immense threat) - How to ensure secrets are kept even as the arcane world reveals itself?


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