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Down The Rust Shelf Road (El Camino, Chapter Two)

🕑 Added 2022-01-16 21:10:25 +0000 UTC

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Tealin

TBH I'm hardly the reader I ought to be myself, so I hadn't noticed a gradual slide in the direction of present tense simply because I'm not keeping up with new books. It first occurred to me when a friend sent me a curated list of fanfics she thought I'd like, and easily 90% of them were present tense; from what I know of online fandom, I assumed this was a consequence of non-native English speakers finding the present tense easier to work with. But then I started seeing it EVERYWHERE, and hearing it in the books read aloud on R4, like when you learn a new word and suddenly everyone's using it. Maybe it's screenwriting? But there isn't much overlap in screenwriting and literary fiction worlds, AFAIK. When my sister first moved to LA, she was living with a lady who worked in live action, and was told that if you wanted a job in Hollywood, there was always a demand for script readers, as so few people could get their head around them. The format was one thing, but the present tense threw a lot of people. I wonder if that's massively changing, now. Absolutely first-person narration has to be better writing, or at least more personal and 'voice'-y – I'm happy to read someone talking about themselves but they have to be a compelling narrator in that case!

Tony Cliff

Ha ha ha, poor Ben.

Tony Cliff

Oh, this is a good question. In this case, I hadn’t really thought about it. For the previous writing project (“witch project”) I stuck to a strictly limited third-person past-tense voice. Of course, in revising it, I found a bunch of sequences accidentally written in present-tense. I dunno why, except brain farts. I have NOT noticed a trend one way or the other, but I also read too slowly to get through too many books. I am carrying a general disdain for present-tense voice in fiction, probably thoughtlessly grabbed from someone’s old-fashioned writing advice. But I can’t think why one would be better or worse than the other. Maybe ppl like the sense of immediacy in present-tense. Maybe it’s the influence of screenwriting (which is commonly present-tense, right??). Two things on this topic: 1) I feel like past-tense omniscient third-person is something I hadn’t read a lot lately, until Saunders and all his old Russian short stories. It feels more storyteller-y to me? More all-around-the-campfire? 2) I think I demand that the quality of writing be better for first-person narration? If you’re telling me “I” did this and that, you better be a charming narrator.

Tealin

P.S. I am also really loving this, sorry, I should have led with that ... Didn't know High Fantasy/Red State Grunge was a thing I was here for, but it turns out I am.

Tealin

I have a potentially stupid question, but: Tenses. All my life I've been reading fiction in the past tense. It makes sense (recounting a story that happened), is easy to parse, and although describing something that has already happened, does not impede my 'living in the moment' when immersed in the drama. But lately – I'd say in the last three years – it seems as though present tense is taking over fiction. Have you noticed this? Do you have any idea why this might be? There are a few books (thinking mostly of Light Perpetual, which is snapshots through time) where this is an artistic decision with direct bearing on the storytelling, but mostly it seems to be arbitrary. It's become so ubiquitous that I actually *noticed* your story being written in the past tense, with a jolt of unfamiliar familiarity like seeing 1994 fashions on the street again.

Ben Hatke

wow what a confusing reply I made. I just liked that line. But then here I go typing "it's" instead of "its."

Paul Gesting

I don't get it. "its" with the apostrophe is correct...

Tony Cliff

Yes, Ben? AND???

Ben Hatke

"Cherry Springs and it's bigots..."


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