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v4c52: The Grand Marshal

🕑 Added 2023-10-18 22:20:19 +0000 UTC

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Nick Marini

I imagine “biting his chopsticks” and “an invisible war” are references to Bi Di’s holy herbs™️ finally making it to his plate. It seems the demons influence is waning, if only a little.

D J Meigs

That’s a good point, although I do feel that his demand (it really didn’t feel like a marriage request, more like he was saying he liked her goal but he knew better how to accomplish it without youthful idealism) could justify a show of force. Added to the previous show of forces he and the grand ravine have been doing it’s not unreasonable for Xiulan to decide to nip his attitude in the bud now that they are in private and she wouldn’t be humiliating him in front of his people. But maybe a slightly longer conversation where she tries to explain why that would go counter to her goal before resorting to Tianlan’s help might be good. Or maybe it would emphasise that Xiulan’s persuasion power is still too weak. In any case, after this display I suspect the patriarch will want that union even more though.

Randall Brynsvold

It does feel like there's a chunk of interaction missing. It would feel more true if Xiulan basically said "That's not how we're doing it. The Grand Ravine Sect will not be subjugated or erased, and neither shall any other Sect. We shall all rise together. And when and how I marry will be my choice alone, and not for the sole purpose of an alliance." *Then* if Ulagan Baatar continued to push, saying "you cannot succeed if the Grand Ravine Sect is not fully committed to the project" and "we were the direct allies of Xiaoshi and Tianlan and the land they represented, you cannot deny our natural position as most favored people as we try to resurrect their age", *then* Xiulan and Tianlan could join and say "That's not how *WE* started this, and it's not how *WE'RE* doing it". The flex is justified if she gives her answer and he doesn't accept it graciously.

Douglas Miller

The scene where Xiulan refuses the Patriarch's offer of alliance by marriage has been bothering me, and after reflecting on it I think I know why: Revealing Tianlan's support, however privately and small scale, turns her rejection of the proposal into a decision of a superior authority by fiat decree, no matter what disclaimers she gives afterwards. This goes directly counter to her express purpose in this entire enterprise of seeking cooperative unification through diplomacy. Xiulan rebuffed Tianlan from openly supporting her in the public confrontation for good reasons, and those same reasons also apply to this conversation. The only circumstance that those reasons would not apply for is when the reveal is to someone who is already fully on board with Xiulan's mission, or when the purpose of the reveal is only to show the sincerity of her goals. Additionally, revealing Tianlan's support is not necessary for convincing the Patriarch to accept her refusal. Xiulan could instead point out that the proposed marriage would inherently sabotage her express purpose. She has given a grand speech about seeking cooperative diplomatic unification for the common good. Many sects are already skeptical about that, and if she marries the likely heir of a powerful sect's leader, especially so soon after the speech, all of those other sects would see it as proof that her grand speech is nothing more than pretty words to dress up a power grab, and that she would unfairly favor her husband's sect over others. Patriarch Baatar should be smart enough to understand, once it's pointed out to him, that the politics of the situation mean that her openly stated mission requires that she *must not* marry anyone of significant station in *any* major sect for any reason for a long time to come. Further, since this is a private meeting with only the two of them, his reputation is not at stake, so he is free to simply accept her refusal with no loss of face. In fact, her refusal should serve as personal proof of the sincerity of her stated mission, and that proof of sincerity combined with how he originally heard her oath through the land itself should convince him to give her full support unconditionally.

Cinnamon Toast

Don’t forget the Shrouded Mountain has also sent out the herbs grown by Bi De so even more cleansing of demonic taint there

BlueMage_VT

If Meiling is there and he is giving Bao a hard time.... 💀

neco

I feel so stupid for not realizing sooner that the gold grade rice is cleansing the demonic taint

Bender

Oh, man! I pity that auditor!


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