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Chapter 441 - Ciel Valentine's Peaceful Day

🕑 Added 2024-09-13 06:02:20 +0000 UTC

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Jared Calkins

From Chapter 240: Mita: “Together with Rose, the two of you get along with Viers as much as possible.” --- Mita: “Viers needs the warmth of companionship to unravel his thorny heart. You and Rose are the only two capable of doing that.” --- Mita: “I don't know how long he will stay with us. Mayhaps only until the Bone Ravens are dealt with, which is an operation we cannot delay. It will happen this week. Until then, I hope the two of you can make him realize there’s a place in the Estellian Church, even for people like him.” --- Ciel: “Basically, this is recruiting a neutral party... Well, slightly evil, to our side, yes? I’ll do it. Besides,” Ciel looked at Rose. “I feel the same as Rose. There’s good in him,” she smiled, showing her pearly teeth. --- The question running through the Valkut arc with the Church is whether or not Viers is an irredeemable villain. Ciel's aura ability says he can be turned to the light side, which to the best of her knowlege that ability is 100% reliable. When Ciel is asking Viers about repentance she is asking if he is willing to give up his villainous ways, which he isn't, that's why he answered with “The path I walk is different.” To which Ciel admonishes him. I think you've misunderstood the next parts of their conversation, in what Viers said next, the exact word Viers used in his response was 'transient' defined as lasting only for a short time. Viers is saying that whatever positive vibes he felt towards them didn't stick around, not that he never felt anything at all or that he was lying, just that what was there didn't last. Ciel's goal was always to become his friend and change Vier's villainous ways, that's why the next thing Ciel says is: “I see… Then we are destined to be enemies. We’ll work together for now but should we meet as enemies in the future, I’ll show you no mercy. Farewell.” Because she is assuming that she failed 'to unravel his thorny heart' and that he will continue his evil ways like what happened in Luxore. Ciel doesn't think he lied and manipulated her, she just thinks she failed bring him to the side of good, and during their conversation is establishing her boundaries with who he is and what he's choosing to do. It's clear that while she thinks he's a villain, she never thinks that he is untrustworthy, or that he won't uphold his end of any bargains, that's why she's willing to make a deal with him in Chapter 264. She thinks he's a villain, but an honorable one.

Adda Rash

“You never had any intention of repenting and joining the Church, did you?” Ciel said sternly. “...Your smiles, expressions, considerations during battles when you were with us… Was any of it even real?” “I wonder… If there’s any, it was as transient as a haze in the desert.” Since you seem to have missed them, I'll point to the exact lines I'm referencing. Ciel at this time in chapter 260 is calling him out on his manipulations. So she is well aware that she and the rest of the church group were being played with. This is why I had been saying all along that she should be remembering the time she took him on face value in the past and got burned. The consequences of Viers' actions are not the key point, it's the methods. Someone who got tricked by a person is going to be paranoid about being tricked again by them.

Jared Calkins

While I acknowledge chapter 260, I think you're misinterpreting events. Viers didn't manipulate the Church group in any obvious way, he was invited to stay by Mita Eshel and did good work putting down demons and saved Ciel's life at least three or four times while in the city, the first time by picking her up off the street, the second time by protecting her from Lykin the Lighteater, the third time being him assisting in getting the Fullcure Lily, and he 'almost died' during Lykin's attempted assassination during the raid. While his confession to Rose did hurt the girl nothing indicates that Ciel had any particular ill feelings over that confrontation. In fact their discussion in Chapter 293 while Ciel was recovering in Dia's Biome was quite friendly, I don't understand why you think Ciel took him leaving the church group badly. Add on to that their interactions in the Celedony Arc as Avel and Mary, where Viers helped out the Romeo and Juliet couple out of 'the goodness of his heart', gaining no obvious benefit and I fail to see where you got the idea that she should view everything he does with a veil of suspicion. She also canonically has terrible taste in men, so falling for Viers who, thanks to the Mystic Star Shroud, looks a hell of a lot cleaner morally than all the suitors of noble origin, while also fulfilling the 'bad guy' criteria combined with his rent-a-boyfriend ability and I have no idea where your idea about Ciel losing IQ points comes from. The closest thing I can find to Ciel getting burned by his benefits seeking ways was the deal her and Rose made with him to gain his assistance in raiding the Tower of Doom in Chapter 264. Obligations which he fulfilled admirably. And the deal hasn't done anything to hurt her that I can remember, so what is the basis for her to be paranoid and suspicious? If Ciel suspected Viers was Tanael I could see your interpretation, but it was established in Chapter 240 that because of her aura reading ability she doesn't. No one in the church group does. She thinks he's a good-ish person.

Adda Rash

I'm going to point to chapter 260 specifically here. She took Viers manipulating the church group by acting like he was reforming and hurting Rose when he left quite badly. That personal experience of being played by Viers and being a victim of his manipulation isn't something she should be forgetting easily. It's not as if the romance plotline can't play out, but it would make a lot more sense for her to go through a spell of paranoia than to revert to taking Viers on face value.

Jared Calkins

I have to disagree with you on basically everything. It's been well established that Ciel trusts her ability to see people's Aura over all other evidence. In fact not just her but her friends in the legion as well considering chapter 240. She's basing all her knowledge of Viers on the idea that he is a good person at heart, he's just lost his way a little and needs someone to help him find his way back to the path. So while she knows he's motivated by benefits she doesn't understand that his moral compass only points to benefits. As for getting burned trusting Viers, the only thing that comes to mind is when he killed Pinaca but he was proven right in the end, Pinaca was a Fae creature, Ciel's never witnessed him commit a crime that wasn't justified in some way and can easily wave away his past actions pre-Freya due to his clean enough looking Aura. At the end of the Valkut arc she viewed Viers as a bit of a cheeky rogue, which is now blossoming into something more.

Cperkenling

Falling in love will do that for you

Adda Rash

I have to say, I'm not finding Ciel's changing view on Viers to be convincing. It's like she's lost IQ since the Valkut arc. Before fighting Georgi she already gave the benefit of the doubt to Viers, got burned and realised he is a guy motivated by benefits. She should be viewing his "virtuous" acts in this latest arc with scepticism, constantly questioning "what's in it for him by doing this?", not buying them like she entirely forgot the past. I figure that her changing her view is crucial to your plot, but I just don't buy that it's convincing the way it's presented so far. Mostly because Ciel already did get burned by trusting that Viers would turn to the light during Valkut and people tend to become extremely defensive and wary about being made a fool after having it done to them once.

Novel Addict

Hyyyype

Dcs5782

Thanks for the chapter


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