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Grand Game 607: Shifting Allegiances

🕑 Added 2025-04-18 19:00:12 +0000 UTC

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David Brewer

This was mentioned when Loken talked about his encounter with the chalice. The chalice acts against forcesworn players, specifically. Thus Lightsworn and Shadowsworn players can't approach or touch the chalice without consequences. I'd expect Michael can't USE the chalice because it "explained" only those steeped in Dark can sip from it. But Wolf is light, shadow, and dark. So Michael should have no issues touching the chalice. It's the inevitable consequences that he needs to focus on. From chapter 251: '“What I did not tell you is that the chalice is a Force artifact. It is a thing of the Dark and is powerful enough that no Lightsworn or Shadowsworn can withstand its presence for long, much less hold it.” He met my gaze. “But you, unbound to any Force, will be unaffected.”'

Gregory Clifford

I'm wondering if Michael being able to forge his marks will enable him to touch the chalice.

David Brewer

The biggest hitch I see, is that while killing someone that much "out of your weight class" is definitely possible (as Loken semi proved). Michael isn't in a position he could realistically catch Loken off guard and the power differential is significant enough that's what he'd need. I suspect Tartar and Mantisface (just realized I forgot his name lol) were surprised as much by his pretending to be a Dark Power as to his admitting it. Truth be told it likely is somewhat rare to be able to pierce the disguise of someone like Loken. And as deception is also the skill that governs lies and other forms of deceit I suspect it's rare they admit their capabilities much less their actions. Presumably Loken has a deception skill of ~550+ as he's a Supreme Power and has been active for millenia. Doppelganger is definitely upgradeable, you can see that by re-reading chapter 568 I think where Michael upgraded his imitate skill to doppelganger. So Loken may well have a rank 12 version of the skill. Thus, you'd need a Supreme Power with a rank 12 analyze ability and comparable (preferably better) perception to reasonably pierce his disguise. (Whether the chalice can do so or not being mostly immaterial.) Most of the Supreme Powers are probably not perception builds, unless they are also deception builds because extremely high perception has limited combat value... Archers excluded. And would you trust a deceiver to unmask another deceiver? So while Nexus can be reasonably confident of certain formalities because they might have rank 12 or even remnant rank 13 watchers to detect these kinds of things they are easily avoided under most circumstances. Finally, while I can't recall where this was I seem to remember some limitation on doppelganger faking marks greater than your own or not Power Marks. Something like that, so Michael (even if he could identify Loken’s true marks... he can't yet) can't, I believe, pretend he's a Supreme Power. Because he can't forge a powerful Disciple or powerful Adept mark... and he also can't forge Light's Friend, Light's Guardian, or Guiding Light ... and for this discussion more critically the Shadow or Dark equivalents. And of course pretending to be a hated (if feared) Power might be fine... if he was level 400-500 and able to face any of Loken’s enemies in a direct conflict. Edit: Killing Loken to start a new rebellion gets a definite maybe, but honestly I rather doubt Michael won't be exposed as Wolf before he's positioned himself to slay Loken. Besides, how likely is it Loken will enter the nethersphere? And so he'd need to kill him... a lot. Edit 2: Honestly, I'll be torn between surprised and impressed if Michael manages to escape sector 12560 with Saya and ensuring the chalice isn't left in the hands of the Dark... without being exposed as a young Blood Wolf.

obiwann

Something else to chew on… when Loken said he pretended to be a dark power… the other powers were a little surprised… maybe this high level of deception is super rare… and our guy being positioned to replace loken. Would be ironic and balanced actually… if Michael started a rebellion by killing Loken.


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