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Naruto: The Outsider's Resolve: CH_268 [Updated]

🕑 Added 2024-07-05 19:38:23 +0000 UTC

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CMA27

Spelling error. In the mood instead of food

Isaaq

Cool chapters, but I concur with the previous two parent comments. Particularly in regards to the entire “cycle of hatred” section, which I think needs to be reworked significantly or removed. Frankly, it’s mediocre storytelling. I hope you take this in the spirit that it’s meant, which is that it’s particularly egregious for an author of your talent.

John Dope

Hey man I just read the last 2 chapter I wanted to give my opinion on something that happened last chapter > Takuma was taken aback. It had been three days since the battle had ended, and even though Takuma had been a big contributor in saving the city, it was the first time Takuma had been thanked. He and the team had been praised by Toridasu for completing the mission—he had been heavily reprimanded by Shirakumo for what he did at the banquet to take out the jonin—but he hadn't been thanked I really feel like this moment is something that needs to be shown not told, I feel like you kinda glossed over toridasu and shirakumos reaction to takumas bombing

Green0Photon

I can definitely believe in fics like that where it's good. In fact, that's close to the classic in media res, and it's also a bit of a classic to rewind a bit from that point Doesn't mean it doesn't have whatever future telling problems. They just typically mitigate it. Imagine a Lord of the rings having a scene starting at the council of the ring, for example, before rewind. But a book around that conceit would have to be written carefully, in order to maintain tension. Meanwhile, usually it's closer to the whole "it was all a dream" or the weird "it was all a story by the protag telling their grandchildren the whole time". It's as I said: something very "fanfic-y" that I see in many bad/mediocre/merely just amateur fanfics. Especially when it's something like this happening part way through. Instead of structured with one specific thing in mind from the beginning. Idk. I'm happy you didn't go through with it. I feel like it would be particularly hard to write a fanfic with that sort of conceit. Think of how much works grow and change from their beginning. Not great to hold yourself to something. Anyway, I'm happy it's all good and that you're all good. And I'm excited to get out of Yu and finally back to Konoha soon.

FictionOnlyReader

I was reading a novel titled [The Folding Knife —by KJ Parker] and it begins with ending far in the future. I guess I wanted to write something inspired that. But as you and @Conor Lennon put it—with how much of Takuma's life is unsure and unpredictable, making it so that he will be alive in 20 years takes some of that away. This chapter has been tough. Eh, it's nice to have stuff thrown in my face once in a while.

Green0Photon

I see this now: >However, contrary to Takuma's belief, his connection to the Kumi family only went dormant for his side but unbeknownst to him, on the Kumi side, the connection would be kept alive by a pair of twins through their hatred for the man who killed their father.  Had to fully close and reopen the Patreon app to clear the twenty years bit. Anyway, that does blunt the worst of it, thank you. Still feels a bit fanfic-y, because I feel you're normally very good at showing other perspectives that would make this a chekhov's gun (even if never fired). But then again, I'm pretty that's also a complaint, instead of making more Takuma chapters. So I'm good. Thank you!

FictionOnlyReader

Is the second update not visible? I didn't have Patreon send a email notification for the second/latest edit. I have removed the 20 year thing in the latest edit, and changed it to EXACTLY what you just suggested. This part —> "But little did Takuma realize, that he had perpetuated the cycle of hatred with a pair of twins by killing their father" Please check it on the app/website post and tell me if it's not showing up.

Green0Photon

I read this for the first time right about when I posted that comment. Maybe there was a tad extra, but there's still what I quoted. No clue about whatever previous version of this that was worse. I don't even like you saying about whatever twenty years into the future. It's still defining stuff for twenty years. And it's still some of that swap over to omniscient fanfic-y writing. I'd probably just say something along the lines of "But little did Takuma realize, that he had perpetuated the cycle of hatred with a pair of twins by killing their father." Though honestly even that's a bit much. A bit too fanfic-y still with the omniscient stuff. Too much telling instead of showing. Idk. It's obvious to want to put something about the cycle of hatred. But you can't do too much telling instead of showing, and you don't want it to be too omniscient. And you can't say 20 years in the future. Idk. Still don't like it. Apologies for coming off so strong. I do really like this fic.

FictionOnlyReader

If you read this chapter on the email alert, I realised that I committed the sin—and have updated it to resolve the problem of establishing a set point in the future.

Green0Photon

Bro, I absolutely despise when fanfic authors put stuff like > However, contrary to Takuma's belief, his connection to the Kumi family only went dormant for a very long time and only ended twenty years in the future In their fics. It shows a high amount of immaturity in their writing. They're tempted to tell part of the story in advance, because that's what they have in their head. But all you're doing is locking in story that shouldn't be locked in. I shouldn't know whether Takuma survives 20 years. Or that this story does. That's getting close to Boruto levels, right? No, this fic has been incredibly professional and well written so far. That's why I've been subbed for so long. It's a good fic. So I can't comprehend why you decided to commit one of the sins of incredibly amateur authors. Even as you avoid so many other sins (like avoiding epithets everywhere instead of just saying he/she). I know you wanna tell us man. But it works so much better by having a character swear vengeance, either to Takuma's face, or in a separate scene. And it doesn't need to be vengeance. It could be someone being so obviously affected that you're clearing laying the chekhov's gun right in front of us. That's what it is, I think. Chekhov's guns are the author telling us about future events too, but they're not technically set in stone. They're present events, not future events. Give us chekhov's guns, and then just write the future event to follow it up with in your notes. If you write the gun well enough, it can be incredibly clear and obvious what will happen in the future. But not because you told it to us and fixed it in stone, but because that's just what would obviously and logically happen.

FictionOnlyReader

That makes sense. Yeah, you're completely right. It removes the possibility that Takuma might die in the future. It kills a part of the tension and. I missed that, didn't I. I'll change it up. Hmm, it might not read as badass as it does now, but I'll try to see what I can do. If you have suggestions how I should re-word it so that it doesn't imply that Takuma will be alive in 20 years—please feel free to tell me.

Conor lennon

So basically it is a badass enough moment but it basically says takuma will be alive in twenty years and the sudden future prediction just took me out of the scene a bit. Like it is not that bad it just felt weird to me reading it. Kinda guaranteeing he will definetly be around that long. About being vague about the timeline I am not sure it is that much better at all really. This may be a nitpick from me just didn't love the clear future definition at this story point.

FictionOnlyReader

I'm curious I don't see how leaving the timeline to be more vague would change anything. I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you, not at all. It's just that I'm unable to see how it would make a difference. I'd appreciate if you could explain it.

Conor lennon

Not sure I love the define timeliness of the children trying to kill him should maybe be left.more vague and imply that.

JonJon

I actually feel the same way somewhat. Bur crime families atleast in media are always like this. Hoshiguri is a crime lord that only gives a shit about his family and business, he doesn't care about people like Motohiro and others. He would deem them acceptable casualties in exchange for keeping his son safe regardless of what he did, he is not a good or fair person by any means. It makes sense for takuma to be somewhat upset because he also is sitting in front of the dad of the son he killed, he doesn't regret killing gyon though as he says. Though I agree his actions feel to apologetic.

Chris

Live by the sword, die by the sword. The father knows what his son did and while he may hate him I think he also understands that his son left them no choice.

Joan Casado

Can’t say I get Takumas grief with the Kumi family. Gyon betrayed them first, Hoshiguri egged it on by a poorly thought out experiment to show his son that Shinobis are different beasts and then blames Takuma for treating a traitor like they would when he betrays them twice? They’re a literal crime family. Feel bad for the kids for losing a father but Hoshiguris attitude would have made me lose all respect for the guy who “knows how the real world works.”

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