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Chapter 92: Shifting

🕑 Added 2020-01-20 23:42:13 +0000 UTC

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Xan

If he gets a cook skill, that could lead to thermal vision

flssdd

He could now totally get 1 pound worth of gold to be worth more, and soon very very much more. If you pay with 1 chest of gold they should check if it's Warp-made, but is there ways to check for other skills affecting it? Mass Robbery

David Burchfield

Elliot is right about the whole mass thing being abusable with regards to momentum, this lowers the threshold for all sorts of crazy engineering things including atomic bombs.

Findell

Is there a way to purposefully unlearn a skill to open up a slot? Maybe even not for a normal but elliot might be able to.

ZaA

Well that ones obvious. Because stats take 3 warp to level. And the amount of warp you get is Base + largest stat. So he wants to use most on that stat so he has the most warp possible each level.

ZaA

I think the reason for needing teaching is obvious. If you want a specific ability, and try doing something yourself with no explanation, you might end up with something completely different.

Elayda

That might not work out too well because he would probably end up shifting back the limited amount of mass plus any he can draw from the item. Physics gets weird with magic.

Is this why he doesn't just grab a bunch of skills every break? I always wondered why he would leave himself with only one warp for a skill instead of like, 3-4 to grab a few more for diversity.

Kemizle

Bent manipulation he definitely needs if he’s going to be a wizardking

Macronomicon

Probably

Macronomicon

Whoops. I only thought about it afterward.

Also is the hard limit for amount of skills learnable still 18?

Not a single comment about Phasing. Phasing bros unite!

Chad B. Sonnen

Thats a new question. Lol you pretty much answered your own question I think.

Sky Horse

Forcing your will onto others may indeed raise your will stat but the question remains if it will raise your stability along with it which is his main issue will is not a problem as most of his skills provide him with additional will per 5 levels already and he actually had a will overflow because his will was capped by his mind stat leading to increasing his intuition instead from increasing his skills before his latest break. Also i'm pretty sure it said somewhere the reason why all the princesses he meets are twisted is because they get forced to do stuff like Jinsei for their min/max training plan. Assuming he can get his meditation to 20 soon then the best thing he can do for his stab right now is increase it by 6 if he grinds fishing and genosian language to level 20 in shadow boxing and by 10 IF his newest skill increases stability as well and he also grinds that to 20 so that's 27 bent storage so he only needs to increase his stability by a little bit and let his skills do the rest so he can have max stability making it easier for him down the road. Because eventually shadow boxing will get slightly less efficient when he gets to higher skill levels for increasing his stats

Macronomicon

To the first part of that I don’t have a great answer, perhaps a lack of experience to conceptualize a skill might be the only limiting factor. For the fishing thing I’ve got a much better answer. He was able to get the fishing skill without a teacher because he already knew how to fish.

Chad B. Sonnen

It will work. Nadia is both a sadist and masochist, at the start she was turned on at the notion of Calvin humiliating her, proving that she has never experienced such a thing, therefore, her forays with Calvin are fairly new and this is where her sadism comes in because it would be the only explanation how she would have leveled her Will. Forcing your will unto to others is the most effective way of raising that stat as well as the probably the only way come a certain point as no one would knowingly and "willingly" raise thier "Will" with such measures.

Sky Horse

You have a point there but he will eventually have to get it up some time no matter how bent efficient his powers are you might be right about maybe forcing his will onto others might work but i'm not sure if that will really work. Maybe a plot development where he gets captured and tortured for information on his skill and refuses to break it sounds reasonable and well within the already established story to me. I think it might be cool to have a kind of SCP containment breach arc like that lol where they torture him he refuses to break and just keeps getting more powerful until he can bust out of there.

Chad B. Sonnen

I think letting yourself be inducted in such an arangement ruins any chance of raising "will" because the notion itself is antithesis to ones WILL. Therefore null in the fundamental of levels. All the example we've seen who gets trained are all agaisnt it, unwilling, Nadia was probably treated like garbage without being asked as well. Also, if anything Nadia would encourage Calvin to dominate and force his WILL unto others, afteral what is more effective in raising the Will stat if not to force it unto others?

Sky Horse

Ya to be honest I was wondering if it was possible to train mental stats and physical stats at the same time under the right conditions like for example after the great princess kidnapping of 2020 that he is planning at the end of this arc, if Grant goes drill sergeant on him for the training so that he can actually use his ludicrous body stat. Correct me if i'm wrong here but the reason that doing stuff like what Nadia did to Jinsei, increases your willpower and stability is not because licking the floor makes you inherently more willful and stable but because you attain the level of mental fortitude to not break under the punishment and humiliation hence you might say that pride and an overwhelming sense of self worth like Calvin has is almost necessary to increase these stats.

I don't know but I pretty sure I read that there are people with 8 breaks. So technically Calvin is not at the end of the road. After that we don't know for sure if the universe is limited to one planet or not. I'm not sure if I remember right but wasn't Elliot off planet in a recollection. So let's say that there is sentient all over the universe... it wouldn't be surprising that there are old monsters that destroyed planet to have breaks and are uber powerful. If we take a planet with 5 billions people and we suppose the 6th breaks need 5000 people (I assume that it's how much bent he soaked in after the cobalts took the rest) to achieve we can estimate the theorical maximum number of breaks possible. If each each break takes 2 times as much each time then he can get 19 more breaks by killing everyone on a planet like earth. If it's 3 times as much then he can get 13 more break and if it's 5 times as much he can get 8 more breaks. If the bent needed is not linear than number become very high very quick and it is not realistic that people get more than 10 breaks.

Chad B. Sonnen

??? If you mean Calvin subjecting himself to what Jinsei's been through with Nadia then I would have to say with a 100% certainty that would never happen, ShadowBoxing aside, Clavin has a pride that is greater than the whole royalty of Marconen. Plus, those softcore shit that Nadia had to do with Jinsei probably didn't do anything for her. Removing nails, breaking fingers, shattering kneecaps, removing tooth and goughing out the eyes of a Kala lookalike would probably only do. Or planning out betrayals sowing discord and watching it all go down within the group would also probably suffice. Making her feel like this master manipulator

Just curious, why does it seem that skills need to be taught if it comes to things like magic? As it would stand to reason that Calvin could just as easily have an image in mind for a certain type of magic/skill he wants then experiment with warp in a way he think it will make the skill appear. I'm sure it won't always work out like he wants but I'm sure it shouldn't be too had to create a new branch of magic that he would want, like teleportation or barrier magic, just nearly anything could exist but it seems like he can only be taught a magic, which it weird as skills like fishing and stealth can just happen in comparison with no teacher.

Just checking, did grant or ussien break? I'm not sure if they did and was curious.

Sky Horse

well i think it might happen soon he needs to get his stability and willpower up now that he has another magic skill so he might be grinding those up like Nadia did to Jinsei cuz mathematically his bent storage will always be garbage if he doesn't and compared to Kurawe and Elliot who we've seen have their bent storage in the high 40s to 50s he will never be wizard king

Macronomicon

technically, yeah. might not seem that way.

seth dauer

Shift mass away from sample to make more of it, because limits are based on mass, then shift mass back after they are summoned

Findell

I hope he powerlevels fishing to 10 soon so he can get calm mind so that willpower is the limit rather then meditation. You were making skills harder to go up the higher the level of the skill right?

R. R. Quan

I’m not exactly sure if this is scientifically correct, but can’t Calvin make the mass of his slime, poison, explosion, etc heavier to increase their power. Like with the explosion one, he could make the material inside the tube way heavier before the explosion to make the explosion stronger?

Chad B. Sonnen

Now, Nadia just needs to quench her other appetite, which is sadism.

Jacob

I find it a little weird he didn't ask what stats any of the skills were bound to. Especially since he had one of the stats (stability? I don't remember, just that he couldn't increase a stat) at the threshold before this Break, I would have expected him to try and balance that out.

Chad B. Sonnen

You can think of allot of things. He can have a wasp drop a airbursting thermite grenade from on high, detonate, then uses Dupdomancy and finally uses shift and connect those burning thermites mass with the alreay swarming wasps. Now those thermite grains can probably now pearce armor and skin and burn people from the insides.

Macronomicon

the only bottlenecks are the stats that dictate a Skills max limit. so if your will is 14, you can't get a Will based skill to 15 until Will reaches 15.

Garend

That bent manipulation is a must though. With Shadowboxing unlocked he can train as much as he needs too, and it will allow him to continue advancing beyond the wierd skill bottleneck. Which is wierd by the way. Why is that even a thing, and why that number?

Findell

I'm not really sure how that will tie into anything he doesnt really use thrown objects but i guess if he gets something like a use on an enemy at range like sense grafting, or picks up/modies his knives for throwing, it somehow hybridizes with dupedomancy.

Macronomicon

I'm back after a pretty decent weekend! Numerous apologies for those whose suggestions weren't taken, but don't give up hope! the Wotr reference tag is there so I can scan through the suggestions and grab good ideas far into the future, so some of these may one day see the light of day in the hands of a bad guy! The Cobalts and Knick-Knacks themselves were runner-up species suggestions.


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