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Hinge Points S2E2: Get Outbreak feat. Alex Aviña

🕑 Added 2022-11-24 05:01:01 +0000 UTC

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Adam Mohr

If the Spanish can't get a foothold in Caribbean then it's really a matter of which tribe / city state is the first to get access to European weapons first imo. As Spanish contact with the Aztecs showed these were organized and stratified societies with large and state-directed armies. No reason why they wouldn't use the technological advantage to project power. There's plenty of examples in our current timeline, e.g. the Iroquois.

parker long

Tbf the conflict of people with assets and people without are common in world history.

Max Barnett

My god Danny is annoying

C. Ries

The Aztec counterpart of ayllu is calpulli and no the Mexica did not only fight to capture, they were perfectly capable of fighting to kill. The Spanish won because of Tlaxcalan support.

Khemith

Like what if Capitalism in America banned unions from the start and suppressed them lethally? Would it then become fascist in a way that it could not in this current timeline?

Evan

but i still appreciate these

Evan

ok we get it u guys think that the alternative to every historic event results in socialism. this is like reading new left magazines from the 60s lol

Thomas Carroll

😂😂😂😂

Dan

FYI, Using "Turtle Island" as an indigenous alternative name for the Americas is reductive and essentializing. The notion that the earth is an island on the back of a Turtle is only shared by SOME of the indigenous nations of what are now the North Eastern United States and Eastern Canada, specifically Algonquin/Iroquoian peoples. Other aboriginal nations of the two continents have their own conceptions of what the land and the world are. There is a tendency to conflate all aboriginal peoples of the Americas together as "Indians", and even efforts towards indigenous representation often fall into this trap.

James Murray

You guys should really do a hinge point where things go horribly awful compared to the way they actually turned out

Adrienne Suydam

be the hinge point you want to see in the world.

DC

Three overlooked issues in the episode: 1- American silver from Potosí and elsewhere brought by the Manila galleons across was incredibly important for the monetization of the Chinese economy. 2- There were significant technological and agricultural differences between Mesoamericans and Andeans, and the nature of any contact, exchange, and conflict between those areas *could* have resulted in booming populations, urbanization, and perhaps even nascent industrialization. 3- Polynesian contact with the Americas is fairly well established at this point (not like what Thor Heyerdahl said though), which sewn plank canoe technology spreading in southern California and Chiloe island, not to mention the spread of sweet potatoes to Oceania. The implications of continued contact for American navigational capabilities are pretty great.

Eric Gilbertson

One parallel in this alternative of European/Turtle Island contact would be the Chinese diaspora in SE and S Asia. European refugees shelter across the Atlantic and grow into a commercial network that profits from the trade in resources and technology and forms the basis for an international revolutionary bourgeois class. Also, would like to see an expert opinion on what happens in West Africa without the supercharged slave trade. Perhaps the Songhai or others are able to form a power center to resist outside interference and rival or ally with Western Europe and/or the Ottomans.

Quém é

Love it. It also occurs to me that the colonization of Siberia has pretty different roots than that of the Americas, and was as much about the fur trade as it was opportunistic land-grabbing from waning khanate power. Since China already had little incentive to move outward, the necessary and predetermined conclusion of this is establishment of a Californian Oblast.

Ethan Jones

I got bored reading your comment might just be you

Alex Dima

intro is super annoying 😂

Epicfetus

i love it - these other dumb fucks can go listen to the adam friedland show

sagacious

idk i find it boring with all the esoteric specificity in service of... improv? seems like a funnel of narrow appeal into broad appeal. the narrow appeal missed me and my boredom had outweighed my christman appreciation by the time me things opened up more. no shade really just not for me.