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Hell on Earth - Episode 3: KINGS

🕑 Added 2023-01-25 12:01:00 +0000 UTC

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Marxist-Swoletarianist

6:42 does anyone know where I can find this arrangement of old hundredth?

Kyle Erickson

I was fucking around doing genealogy shit and found out that my direct ancestor got his property confiscated by the goddamned Duke of Alva

KO

4f.

Marxist-Swoletarianist

I imagine it was a combination of many different factors with geography being a major one. Germany having Martin Luther himself was a huge deal too since he translated the Bible into a vernacular German that was able to spread through Germany’s easily navigable network of rivers and printing presses in a way that couldn’t be done in the more mountainous northern Italy (and even southern Germany, with Bavaria and Austria famously remaining Catholic) where city-states were less connected. I’d also suspect that any nascent Protestant movements were unable to gain traction in the environment of constant warfare between varying Catholic entities (France, Spain, Austria, Papal States, etc).

Aj Champigny

On Dead Dogs, beet money I've ever spent on patreon without seein' tiddies

Michael

Maybe I missed it, but did they ever explain why the Italian city-states didn’t embrace Protestantism? They propose that the Catholic/Protestant divide is largely a matter of material interests and economic conditions, but weren’t the 15 th century Italian city states financial hubs with significantly urbanized populaces ( guilds, textiles, banking etc)? If so, why did they remain Catholic — proximity to Vatican?

Brent Buckley

No. Capitalism consists of the social relations we recognize in our modern world. It is not simply trade.

John

The guys are saying that the dutch east india company was the birth of capitalism. Was trading along the silk road not considered capitalism ?

BK do

What happened to episode 2?

Luke S

What kind of scumbag would kill a saint smh

Ryan O

Snap

Robbie H.

Okay melting down your enemies cannon, then forming that into a statue of you trampling them and putting it in their city is some King shit. I like this guy.

Christine Pizan

ms. correct historical facts, thank you very much

Gubriel

ok Mr. Correct Historical facts is here to harsh the vibe

Christine Pizan

actually coligny was killed by the retainers of the duke of anjou and duke of guise i think characterising henri iii as an oaf is a bit unfair, that reflects pre 1980s scholarship, but he has been completely re-evaluated since then by specialists of the period (i would recommend le roux, bouchard, chevallier's work on him) the notion that the massacre of saint bartholomew was premeditated has been dead in the scholarship for over 100 years interestingly by 1598 henri had alienated many of his prime noble protestant backers from his earlier years (turenne, thouars etc.) who were disgusted by the favour he showed to his former catholic league noble enemies (like mayenne, brissac etc.) the league never offered the crown to philip ii, there were negotiations in 1593 at the league estates general and the spanish proposed marrying philips daughter (a descendant of henri ii) first to duke ernesto von habsburg (which all but the hardline parisian leagueres were horrifed by), and then to the young duke of guise, however henri iv's conversion to catholicism killed the momentum of the estates general

Dr Nguyen Van Phuoc

@1:00:00 ditto the plague and the mongol invasions

burpdizzle

Hell on Earth Whose necks are gonna be first? The projects is front line And the enemy is one-time I ain't gotta tell you It's right in front of your eyes

Jason Scardamalia

I doubt you got any props for the incredible opening… tense riser into “ON” Brilliant

BT

I'm trying to figure out where the reference to Finns experiencing apocalyptic visions comes from - would love to know more!

Camden

Is there a list of stuff read for the series? Would like to read more on the Dutch relationship with Eastern European estates. Read wallerstein on this but would like more.

Moji A.

Does añyone know how one can listen to the theme music?

Jesse DeStasio

Just watched the film Queen Margot (fantastic film) and had to come back and relisten to this.

Zane 🇧🇪

This inspired me to start an euiv reformed france save

Zane 🇧🇪

I’m loving this series so far

JV

still less confusing than the trueanon utah episodes

James Proulx

I also watched the Orsen Welles narrated "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow" a number of times as a child. Very cool and creepy shit.

Conner

“That’s why you want a spare” a spare heir lmao

Aaron Lazar

Listened like three and a half times

Ellen Harold

The French Wars of Religion 1559–1598 by R.J. Knecht (1989–1996), Longmans Group, is also very good at about 150pp

alex.station

That's how history is, though; you can't understand the full picture without having the entire complicated series of events laid out. No one ever said history was easy to understand, nor would it be easy to explain that history without a bunch of run-on sentences and obscure facts.

snafujesus

Again, love the content, but I wish for fewer asides breaking into the middle of paragraph-long sentences tracing out obscure historical figures who all have the same name. Maybe my brain is tired but this isn’t helping.

Aura

Wait what about herring covered in sigils?? Where can I find more about that google doesn’t say anything

Jared Adams

Loving this series. But I'm a massive history nerd so of course I do. Moar please.

Michael lefsky

Hell on earth is exceeding my stratospheric expectations. Listening twice but it's a pleasure

William Beamish

missed i t

Mark Kobzik

Anyone pick up on Matt’s 30 rock reference? The man can’t help himself

Ellen Harold

Studies show that it was not peasants who committed the massacres, but respectable middle class townspeople. It was a violent popular riot that lasted months. This is dense but worth deciphering. https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/en/document/massacres-during-wars-religion.html

kenton

it's my lived experience that this episode is too dense for dumb guys

Dr. Lumpenjoker

You gotta listen twice though b/c it's way too fast and dense for human consumption. At first listen I find myself adding commas and periods with the space bar.

Jillian Summer

so far i have listened to each episode twice. really well done, guys, having an awesome time listening to this series.

Greg Lizza

Did the church ( or religion) fill the role of “law enforcement” ?? Is that what the church was really doing ?? Was it just constraining the behavior of the peasants much like the modern system of “law” constrains our behavior ??

Mauve_Avenger

"Queen Soandso died without issue..." Great! No better way to go! 😜😜😜😜😜

Ellen Harold

It was the Huguenots who wrote pamphlets saying it was ok to kill unjust kings— after the Massacre of Saint Bartholomew. But the Catholics copied them. The Huguenots also became fans of republican government. You kind of glossed over the Massacre of Saint Bartholomew, a pivotal event of enormous importance. The Protestants destroyed property—priceless statues—the Catholics killed Protestants. (Elizabeth refused to come to the aid of Protestants in Europe. She talked a good game.)

Ellen Harold

The Gallician church was the result of the Pope’s gratitude to Francis I his help in the Italian wars of the early 16th c.

Ellen Harold

Those were made for Marie de Medici, wife of Henri IV, I thought.

S W

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

The Gaul of it

Paul James Abreu II

An era of the shredding of thin global alliances and rampant religious fervor. Sounds similar to another age we live in…lol

Ahmed Razick

France is when you hate someone so much you'd ally with heretic.

Colin Taylor

God this shit fucking rocks I need them to do all of history like this

Thomas Mullane

I'm sure it's already been said, but DJ airborne after each stupid truce and edict really says everything about why I'm so excited to listen for these as soon as they come out. Well done guys.

Dr. Lumpenjoker

Now that you've mentioned the Gevena Psalter – which I didn't expect – it occurred to me the hit songwriter Martin Luther would also have been a good subject for Ep. 1. But I guess we can't have it all. We have a lot as it is.

Jim Prosser

Give me an animated version where Chris is Sherman and Matt is Mr. Peabody. That’s what I picture in my head every episode. (Loving the project, lads.)

Holton Grossl

Anyone watched “The Serpent Queen”? I had to pause it at the mention of Catherine De Medici’s flying squadron of sex spies and see what that was all about and I guess there’s a recent and decently rated tv series about that very subject.

Brock Landers

incredible media, thanks for the great work fellas

Some Tourist

So well done. All aspects

Chae Heuer

The Wilhelm Scream when they talk about a sword plunging into someone’s mouth is hilarious.

Max Harris

MATT SAID THE THING HE SAID IT

Steve Seal

Any chance y'all will post your script/notes to facilitate following along? This shit is awesome but very dense.

Justin R

Mmm nutritious slop

Justin Comer

hey my music is in this one (39:20)

Jerry

Kangz

Don Friðrik Ólafsson

This rules

Michael S. Judge

you rang

Ben

Not me dancing to the Jingle

our lady of reclaimed teeth

the french honking at 8:37 added two years to my life thnx boys

Boaz Corey

Matt groaning "Fraaaaaance" made me laugh harder than I have in at least 48 hours.

Kyle Petty

That's weird I had an email that somebody had told me to beat my head with a brick for 3 weeks but that isn't showing up... Damn I'm always open to new advice 🤣

Major bit me

Recently I had to grow a spine and take care of some stuff that was seriously stressing me out, and then the thought crossed my mind that if neurotic, ugly, constipated failson could stand in front of the universal monarch and talk shit, then I would be fine

Marcus Stove

Matt and Chris should make history podcasts forever and ever. This hog needs more slop.

Andrew Cross

the Dutch driller

Julie Baxter

Enjoy seeing "history" unfold as a series of accidents and fuck-ups!

jay bone

De Guise these nuts

T

I think it would be funny and cool if they hired a frenchman, a german, a spaniard, etc. just to come on the show to teach them how to pronounce these names. We could listen to Matt practising how to say "Armada" instead of "Marmada".

G

do you know which ep that was? very interested

Michelle

Any of y’all know a lot about how the Puritans were actually batshit crazy and were sent to The New World to get them out of sight? I loathe how these wackos are praised in the US and still pervade way too areas of our current lives.

Luke Metzler

This series is so incredible. Thank you so much for this excellently sourced historical overview with a materialist framework.

Kyle Petty

I love the show, not going to pretend I know their production schedule or what it takes to produce something like this but I do wish they'd released the first 3 at the same time or even all of them at once. I just feel like a podcast isn't the same experience as a TV show, especially when it comes to a dense history podcast where all the episodes build on top of each other, it'd be more enjoyable having the whole season (or the 3 prologue eps) and then being able to relisten. It's just a denser media format and source material so I don't think the weekly releases is as effective.i could just be a greedy piggy as well 🤷

T

Radio war nerd had an episode drawing a parallel between 17th century Spain and 21st c USA.

Adam Brennan

💯

matt davis

Fantastic job with this series. "street fighting" history with you guys is always a pleasure

leonard

you guys are fuckin killing it with this series. will always tune into chris and matt history productions

Jason McGuire

These rule, fit right into the Mike Duncan sized hole in my brain

bruce

Raise up your glass for good king john

Pierce

YOU guys are the real KINGS

Darius Arian

I love your show with Nick Mullen. Thanks for the laughs!

KIDBOOYA420

Keep up the good pod Mr. Chapo

Adam Freeman

❤️❤️❤️

Karlo Houwen

BLIDENSTURM 😂 het is beeldenstorm

Slamp

I mean I deeply understand how stupid it was for Phillip to commit so thoroughly to religious war, but how much of that was him just looking at the material conditions around him and going "what else can I do motherfuckers? My power base is the church."

Slamp

Just curious: do y'all think that the Spanish fall from economic and political power was somewhat predestined due to their centuries long war of reclamation of the Iberian peninsula from the caliphates? I'm a little blurry on the details of that time period in Spain. How much did it hamper the development of the urban burgher class and the development of economically independent tradesmanship positions within Spain as a whole?

Mr. Lobotomy

good point

Thankyou For Reading Out My Name In This Accent

This is fan-bloody tastic!

Ian H

I'm pretty sure all the episodes have been recorded already.

Norman X. Picklestein

You say you don't really understand the economics of this time period, so let me offer a few corrections: - The "price revolution" was really just a big bout of inflation. Importing a shit-ton of silver from the New World is basically the closest thing that the Spanish economy could do to printing money since -- guess what -- silver was the basis of currency of the time! When you have a huge increase in the money supply and basically no increase in production (since we're talking about a stagnant feudal economy here) you will get the exchange value of that money falling, aka inflation. - The development of serfdom in Eastern Europe in this period was not a process of the decline of serfdom being arrested, but rather was an imposition of serfdom where it had never existed before. Hence the name (thanks to Engels) "second serfdom." Before the feudal reaction that started ~1400 or so Eastern Europe had possessed one of Europe's freest peasantries. - 1602 / the founding of the VOC can not be characterized as the birth of capitalism, but might be more properly portrayed as a concentrated expression of feudalism. The VOC (and other similar ventures) were merchants that made their money from buying cheap in one place and selling dear in another. Their business was crucially premised on being granted monopoly trading rights, i.e., calling on the state to suppress competition from other firms. The development of capitalism is, in part, a process of *eroding* these monopoly merchant trading rights so free trade can actually take root. (The merchants are not unusual in seeking monopoly rights from the state; many other feudal actors e.g. guilds did the same.) - Lastly, and most importantly, capitalism first emerged in England as a result of the changing social-property relationships in the agrarian economy. It had nothing to do with the Thirty Years War and, in fact, the TYW only was a blow to a Continental European economy that was feudal both before and after its occurrence. (I reiterate the pleas of other commenters in previous weeks to familiarize yourselves with the work of the leading expert on this subject, Robert Brenner.) If you guys need any pointers / references, I would be happy to help, as someone studying this stuff currently.

d'egg

The music for this series slaps

Riley Bloomer-Ludwig

Long live Hell on Earth (the series) and long live COMMUNISM !

Matty C

3 On Reeks

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

also, fun fact, the period of lower solar activity, or at least the dearth of sun spots, overlaps basically exactly with the reign of Louis XIV (Le Roi Soleil)¹. All things considered l'm gonna call that one a Proddy W. Fine the Sun King had a spotless sun, but the Sun King also had a weaker sun. [1] https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:8288411 (Only the abstract is in the link, but basically every paper on the Maunder Minimum points this out).

Jon Spiegler

Wedgwood Thirty Years War is a hundred years old but insanely readable/ listenable

calvin kilby

Lol

calvin kilby

If you ain't dutch you ain't much

Olympia

the la li lu le lo???

etienne

funny to have two guys named Chris and Christman talk about protestant reformation so much

Jonathan Szerszen

And Chris, it's just as much his podcast as Matt's, they both contribute so much to how great this thing is. Absolutely loving it and learning

Jonathan Szerszen

Matt just can't stop winning folks, we love to see it 👏👏👏

Pearlman King

🔥

Do Golems Dream of Ceramic Sheep

All them Catholic-directed assassinations feels like some sort of "Operation Double-Headed Condor"

C. Ries

It kind of owns that all the dead Amerindians helped cause the final rending of the premodern social order in Europe. Karma is actually scientific because causality exists.

C. Ries

That’s because people like this have always existed. The Conflict of the Orders in Ancient Rome, the peasants revolt in Germany, the Protestant Reformation and eventually the Jacobins and Marxists are all manifestations of the same oppressed social force.

Patrick Burke

Can’t get enough of this. Anyone have any more obscure YouTube or anything else recommendations where I can get more about this time period?

Burt Chintas

The theme music is so good. Starting out with harpsichord and ending with 🎸.

JN

Live show was great. This is great. Thank you for the slop.

drewb

Boy, catholics are an absolute nightmare. Let's hope these protestants are a bit more sensible and level-headed

Nixper

Best miniseries since streetfight’s shocktober

Sandra

team protestant!!

J Vladcliff

Another great one guys! I fucking love this

rum sodomy and the clash

awww yessss you're gonna make me defenestrate

Paco

I clap like a seal whenever they mention the name of the series

Of course

The set up for this episode (the Protestants came to build the Kingdom of God on Earth, but only succeeded in unleashing Hell on Earth) sounds like every liberal/conservative take on Communists (they came to liberate humanity but left only civil war, famines, and gulags in their wake).

Erik Bourre

Yesssssssssssssssss. Im fcking edging

Jon W

Matt and Chris edging us into the 30 Years War.

Connor

Listening to this on a train through Osnabrück, where the peace of Westphalia was signed. So that’s kinda fun.

Gubriel

Great live show, sorry about the drunk man behind me who was yelling and heckling, I turned around and gave him some glares but his glassy eyes saw nothing wherever they turned