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MM16 - City Frights: Wolfen, Candyman, and the Urban Wilderness

🕑 Added 2023-11-03 03:34:10 +0000 UTC

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Logan K Peterson

Mike Leigh!

FoxLord

Law & Order: Canine SVU. Sometimes the victims are also the perpetrators

Jack

RY couldn’t disagree more! I thought it was the perfect sequal- candyman haunting the the artist loft condos built on top of Cabrini Green, slaughtering the artworld assholes who pretend to elevate black people, incredible score Robert Aiki Aubrey Lowe, return of sacrificial baby, those paintings at the end, and one of the best cop-butchering scenes in any film. Maybe not better than the original but a masterful extension of the critique. Also great use of bees 👌🏻

Benjamin

Flower Moon Bonus Ep? Pretty please oink oink

Robert Coombs

As per Candy Man and the erotic gothic stuff Will mentioned: I find this film (as a horror movie) very interesting because it’s the only one I’ve seen this year that wasn’t almost directly about jouissance (in its terrifying form from early-ish Lacan - Ethics Seminar/Kant avec Sade). This film is instead about desire - she follows her desire to discover the truth about Candy Man to the end and regretting the fulfillment of her wish (much like Antigone’s regret when she has been condemned to be buried alive). Even at the end, when she has nothing, between-two-deaths - she spends the last corporal moments of her life saving the baby; very Antigone. However, even if this film isn’t about jouissance proper it’s definitely about the “death drive”. Desire is always a mirage - and dissipates once the object has been apprehended. Her lack (of dissertation) led her to pursue a thread to the end with horrifying and unimaginable consequences. Also Candy Man is always talking about his desire for her - she has become his fantasy object that he pursues without knowing what he wants (he says at some point “all you have left is my desire for you” or something like that); what’s terrifying for her, is what will happen to her once he has her and immediately loses interest in her as an object of desire? This is what is so terrifying about an Other’s desire, it’s so fickle. Forgive me for name dropping Lacan.

etienne

Philip Glass is goated on the keys. I was lucky enough to see him and his band perform Koyaanisquatsi in front of a screening. that's Movie Mindset

Riley Bloomer-Ludwig

I respect your opinion but I really didn’t like it. I found it slow, predictable and too transparently about how it’s hard to be petty-bourgeois when you’re a black dude. The garishly allegorical aspect was much more present than what was actually supposed to scare you or at least thrill you.

RG13

Wolfen is Whitley Streiber’s hallucination :: Steven Spielberg has a dog’s purpose.

Ry Mar

Wolfen is really good - I think just as important as the thermal wolf vision is the impressive sound design for how the wolves hear the world around them, emphasized when it cuts to the non-POV shots with standard human audio range. The review of Candyman just reinforced how shitty the Nia DeCosta sequel was - all the invisible man-style kills where you only see non-Tony Todd Candyman in reflective surfaces, hipster art girl speaking in Joy Division song titles, CGI superhero Candyman at the end. The OG isn't exactly subtle with it's themes but is much more rich and complex, gracefully threading horror with gothic romance and social issues in a way that's visceral and immediate but is also fun to analyze afterwards. The new one is ultimately shallow ephemeral trash that's also light on horror - you can't top Tony Todd so why even try, but also why bother

Jim Veil

As a fellow DS9 head, I would absolutely listen to this.

Jim Veil

New Candyman is good, and more of a sequel than a remake. Not as good as the original, but better than any of the previous sequels for sure.

Warbs

Candy Ma'am 🍬 🧑‍🦲🪝

Glen

somehow I JUST got the email about Matt from September and thought something else had happened. JFC patreon has some bugs in it lol

A Sentient Katamari of Bad Life Decisions

You just know Will wants to do a DS9 episode, this is the second mention of it already this series. Would definitely love to see that.

CactiFlowFlow

Hannah and Her Sisters for TGiving!

awwwwwwww

Seven Beauties, please! Oh yeah!

Paul Xanders

Would love to see you cover Shohei Imamura (The Pornographers, The Insect Woman) or obscure Soviet banger Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, perhaps the most Criterion-ready film that Criterion never released.

Christian Johnson

Maybe this is too obvious or overdone, but how about some Movie Mindsets about Soviet 🎥 ?

Chris Rose

I’ve been diving into Paul Shraeder’s filmography this year and would love to hear it discussed on the pod. Blue Collar and Light Sleeper are god-tier imo

Matt James Rich

How about some non-Godfather Coppola? I love One From the Heart and would love to know your thoughts about it.

HamDrawn

It blew my mind Philip Glass did the score for Candyman. What's so incredible about him doing the score for a horror movie that revolves around the institutional decay of the housing project, Cabrini Green, is that it bookends a prior movie Glass did the score for- Koyaanisqatsi. In Koyaanisqatsi, Glass composed a song called Pruitt-Igoe which is overlayed the destruction of the St. Louis housing project, Pruitt-Igoe. I like to think that for Glass, Candyman was this canvas to create a sequel to that Pruitt-Igoe sequence, connecting the two through the sublime beauty of an operatic horror soundscape.

Andrew Mueller

Phillip fucking Glass!

Doug Cartel

Pentagon declares killing Candyman's Number 2 commander

Josh Link

Check out WHEN EVIL LURKS that came out on Shudder this year for one of the best animal attack scenes ever.

Herschell Gordon Lightfoot

Yep, Ida B. Wells (nee Congress Parkway)/Eisenhower 290, going westward through the post office. Cabrini is further north from there.

Brian Taulbee

Never gonna stop banging the drum for you to review John Sayles’ film Lone Star. Great cast, beautifully filmed, and a great ending you’ll never see coming.

Tim U.

Put Tony Todd on the $20 bill

What was stewie using the kneepads for i don getit

Could you guys add timestamps for the film discussions because sometimes ive only seen one and want to listen to that section

Peter Harp

Not only did James Horner repeat a lot of this in Aliens but you can also hear heavily borrowed motifs from Jerry Goldsmith's score for Alien. Can prob blame the director in both cases as film composers are often going off of temp tracks. RIP to two great ones. Also, would love an episode on Jacob's Ladder!

Dregnet

My favorite director and she is so rarely mentioned! All Screwed Up is my fave

Michelle

There is a horror themed coffee shop in Chicago called The Brewed (a riff on Cronenberg) that has Candyman’s mouth painted on a wall, and you dump your garbage into his mouth. It’s a really great cafe.

Aram Fingal

You should do last tango in Paris, one of my faves!!

Anomalie

You guys mention Green Room in this episode, the director, Jeremy Saulnier, directed another movie called Hold the Dark, which involves wolves, highly recommend it. It's weird and has an AMAZING shootout scene, best shootout in a movie I've seen in probably a decade.

Fresh Dill

I believe the highway in candyman is the Eisenhower expressway

Fresh Dill

Yup

Tenley

PLEASE do a Lina Wertmuller film! Any of her films, they're so good and commie!

Michael Turner

An episode on Spinal Tap, and the diminishing returns of Christopher Guests mockumentary series.

Michael S. Judge

I think CANDYMAN is particularly good too in that the people "reporting" on conditions of horrifying oppression and poverty, especially white people talking about people of color in America, never really *quite* believe what their "subjects" tell them, never believe that (for example) the violence that happens in horribly redlined underserved parts of cities, or among homeless/migrant populations, is the *same* violence that could happen to anyone in those same circumstances – and as a result, they treat the recounting of that violence not by thinking "Oh jesus christ, this is horrifying" but by thinking "How terrible that people have to FEEL this way." The thing about 911 just not going to certain neighborhoods – everybody in America has "known" that for like 40 years, at minimum, but I think most white people "know" it as "an expression of helplessness," rather than "No, 911 really truly doesn't go there, and it won't change, because YOU don't really believe us."

Kenny Hedges

In the Native American bar, that's Tom Waits on piano. There's apparently a moment where Wadleigh cut to him, but he excised it.

Dylan

Love the series, I’d love to see home Bela Tarr and Lars von Trier next season!

Kade

Abel Ferrara ep in season 2???

Clarp Blarpkiss

Will and Hesse are unfair to the rooftop sniper cops on the set of "Wolfen" here. They totally neglected the context: This wasn't Wadliegh's first attempt at using live wolves on a set! Has everyone forgotten the fatal failure of "Herzog and Wadliegh's Wolf-In?"

NYCM&AHole

Doesn’t Xander also play John Connor’s foster dad?

Matt Fitzgerald

Great series and would love an in the mouth of madness episode

Christian Johnson

Fuck yeah, I'm a major Logan's Run stan

Tim O'

I swear this theme song has healing powers ❤️

Antipaganda

Again, I suffer through the simultaneous pleasure/pain matrix of listening to Hesse say Yesse over and over.

Plainwrap

I could go for an episode on dystopian sci-fi films for Hippie burnouts (Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Silent Running) or 70's neo-noirs starring shlubby guys (Night Moves, Charley Varrick, Across 110th Street, The Friends of Eddie Coyle).

red rock breast

Need to hear hesse's take on Blonde, a movie by and for sickos

Jen

Hesse has yet to have the harrowing experience of when you learn how dachshund is pronounced

Biannual Beats

Hesse fire in that Rei sweater ❤️

Tvvvv

I would love some MM episodes that focused on film making techniques and their best examples, SFX artists, stunt choreography, originals vs homages, original vs reboot or remake, great cinematographers, shot for shot remakes, early peckinpah vs Convoy, trucker movies, directors who cannibalize their own work throughout their career or remake the same movie, films about film, great movie sequels, why the Chinese hate ghosts, b movies that are trying to capitalize off of popular film trends, Ralph Bakshi, the best made for tv movies, and films that reflect on whether animals are friends or foes.