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Movie Mindset 11 - Cutthroat's Anthem: Hangin' with Hawks

🕑 Added 2023-08-09 18:44:23 +0000 UTC

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Adam Foster

I think with El Dorado and the much darker tone and the kid killing himself on account of being gutshot the difference is that Rio Bravo was made in 1959 and El Dorado was made in 1966, the latter was made during the Vietnam war and the idea of young men dying for no reason was in the public consciousness

J.P. McD.

(Mitchum plays Sheriff J.P. Harrah and they all relish saying it)

Julie Baxter

Just watched John Ford's "The Long Journey Home" and found it very compelling. Anyway, another Movie Mindset possibility.

J.P. McD.

Watched El Dorado last night, was amazing hearing John Wayne and other legends repeatedly say my name

Jennifer Reft

Oppenheimer and Barbie both rule-see the former in 70mm if you can. Love you guys

Jethro Mojave

It’s surprisingly good politics, though true movie mindset heads can enjoy reactionary art. Truman is correctly shown as an evil hick, McCarthyists seen as spiteful and Oppenheimer as a non committal halfway crook dingus who “wants to be remembered for Trinity, not for Hiroshima”

Gulb

I keep hearing that Oppenheimer is good, but I know when I see it it's gonna be exactly as boneheaded a take on history as you'd expect from Christopher Nolan. Stop lying to me dammit.

drizzly_november

Was just reading Secret Agenda and learned the Watergate burglars had Movie Mindset: the night of the final break-in on June 16, the crew ran into Burt Lancaster and Alain Delon who were filming Scorpio at the Watergate Hotel. Frank Sturgis met Tha God Lancaster at the Howard Johnson's across the street, then Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy rode the hotel elevator with Delon and chatted with him. The film also shot scenes at Richard Helms' own home.

Dean Rao

Best episode so far.

Chapo Trap House

we're gonna do that as soon, certainly by time Movie Mindset returns in for the horror movie run in the fall

Gamma Quadrant

What about the foreigner with Jackie Chan

Ethan Betancourt

Great episode guys. I am really hoping you guys activate the new Patreon feature that allows you to listen to premium episodes on Spotify.

Poppy Chulo

Your mom's homemade VHS sloppy toppy compilations.

Poppy Chulo

Kirstwb

Happy birthday will!!! ☺️

Rohmer Simpson

The movie is THE OUTLAW which, apart from being super gay, was also heavily informed by Howard Hughes' fixation on big ol titties; thus every shot of Jane Russell uses her puppies as a focal point. I think that part of the conversation was a bit sped thru so in some ways it sounds like Hesse implied it was the first talkie western, I'd chalk that up to, whatever, chit-chat. They cited The Virginian (certainly one of the early days ones) and Stagecoach (very much NOT an early one BUT arguably the first Prestige western, after a decade of them mostly being relegated to skid-row status) (but that's also not true because you've got Cimarron which won Best Picture, but it sucks ass so......) (my point? I dunno, I'm just having my dang coffee over here)

Richard Perez

Oppenheimer was good actually because of bad parent representation.

buttface

All movies suck ass

buttface

No one gives a fat shit what you think

Andrew Locke

Oppenheimer was no good, very bad film. Barbie was great, but I’m gay so who knows.

Rohmer Simpson

This was the most enjoyable podcast episode I’ve listened to in quite some time and the complaints on here are very funny lol. Blank Check pointed out that there’s a “Film Director Barbie”, not sure if it’s connected to the actual movie or just happenstance but an amusing note on the back of the package says she (the doll, the titular Barbie) isn’t meant to stand alone. That absolutely resonates with the Hawks ethos.

Thomas Mullane

You guys are the best, I promise I won't complain and get sued about your delay on the Barbie/oppenheimer overview. Jesse's comment about the bucket used In rio bravo to clean dean Martin being " a bucket bugs Bunny would use to jump off a high dive" is the kind of thing that has me look forward to listening to you guys just bullshit about the movies. Thanks for a fun listen, and I hope you keep doing these, I think they're great!

Rohmer Simpson

I use Overcast for public/unlocked episodes, this ep has appeared there.

Steven-O

Same here.

Matt

Yup

Seymour Butz

I mean sure if you’re gonna be that soft about it

Andy Arnette

This hasn’t appeared in my RSS feed yet, anyone else having this problem?

William

Fuck off with this barbenheimer bullshit- oh wow, two very different movies are out no wayyy

THEKILLERWHALE

On the homiesexuality of the Howard Hawks western, we cannot forget Red River with its incredible Montgomery Clift / Cherry Valence gunplay scene: "There are only two things more beautiful than a good gun: a Swiss watch or a woman from anywhere. You ever had a good Swiss watch?" There is a hilarious line in the Ebert review of the film that really drives the home the whole male thing: "And “Red River” is one of the greatest of all Westerns when it stays with its central story about an older man and a younger one, and the first cattle drive down the Chisholm Trail. It is only in its few scenes involving women that it goes wrong." Which is true.

Julie Baxter

Was dumb enough to give you the chance.

Julie Baxter

Okay, who got to the San Antonio Public Library Blue Ray holds before I did???

Poppy Chulo

Christopher Price

What movie is Hesse talking about? There's a 1943 western called the western by Hughes and Hawks, but it's also 15 years too late to be among the first talkie westerns.

Anya

MOVIE MINDSET SURPRISE LETS GO

Morgan

Yo dog you need a hug

J.P. McD.

On PocketCasts this episode appears in the public feed but not my Patreon feed

P$

JKL

Sergeant York is one of the best movies ever!

Thom

I guarantee you will love Rio Bravo or I will apologize

Steeeeve

It was also a lot of massive wide shots and some of the most intimidating music and sounds I've ever heard. If I saw it again I'd see it in imax

Jay Bee Jay

Love these.

Rohmer Simpson

Samuel Fuller's DEAD PIGEON ON BEETHOVEN STREET (side note, that's a title that can fuck all night) has a scene where the Yank protag goes to a German cinema to watch RIO BRAVO dubbed, and he's just loving it, talking at the screen and whatnot. That is the proverbial game recognizing game.

Dano More

Great episode, just a lovely miniseries.

Mason Crump

Just two absolute heaters

joao z

Oppenheimer is mostly medium shots of talking people. if i went out to see it again, i would avoid Imax.

Thom

such a perfect hangout movie

Rohmer Simpson

And then a moment later, making sure Dude gets the final word.

Douglas Gearhart

Love Wayne rifle-whipping a dude in the bar for lying to him

Rohmer Simpson

The actor who plays the cowboy murdered by Joe Burdette is an uncredited Bing Russell, whose grandson is Wyatt Russell (EVERYBODY WANTS SOME!!, TV’s “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier”). Wyatt’s father and mother are also movie actors.

Rohmer Simpson

Thanks for making this public! Also shout out to Nick Newman, a mensch and a scholar

Johan Stefonski

Thank you God for this meager sustenance.

xenofinger

Chisom is the best John Wayne western. Bravo is a tight second

Maneesh Goel

will this show up on iTunes eventually?

Crosley Querin

I would never be mad at Will or Hesse.

Rohmer Simpson

You joke but read Robin Wood on RB! Pretty cogent, persuasive queer analysis

stop watcherman

Accidentally started the ep over a minute in but I don’t mind cus the intro song is good 🥰

polarkeef

Hell yeah. Mas movie mindset!!

Dennis

Only slightly mad will called Opp “a very good serious movie” … 😵‍💫 the avengers style JFK name drop, the blatant female erasure, the omission of the bombs (long and short term) effects on the Japanese, Kenneth Branagh & Casey Affleck… not good!

Tim O'

What a blessed day, we can all go back to the lobby 🙏

Stephen David Miller

I saw this at Cannes (yes, this is me bragging) and I’m pretty positive Will and Hesse are gonna love it

Rohmer Simpson

And like he said, it shouldn't have taken four of you.

Christopher Price

I haven't seen El Dorado in a decade but I still have huge chunks of it memorized.

KIDBOOYA420

Hell yeah dude

Here, Try This

Hot diggity dog, we got one Dougie. Helllllooooooooo

Rohmer Simpson

is that you, Bull?

Rohmer Simpson

I just want to apologize in advance because I imagine I'm going to reply a bunch. Hawks is, on most days, my absolute top filmmaker, across all eras and languages. This means RB is usually my favorite, but realistically it's tied with 10 other Hawks films, including (what I guess might be called) deeper cuts like I WAS A MALE WAR BRIDE and AIR FORCE. I've written about him several times over the years, including an unfortunately aborted essay collection on Hawks, for which I contributed an piece on HIS GIRL FRIDAY. This is what I wrote about THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD on my 2022 Sight & Sound ballot: "Never content with making one picture, Howard Hawks always made two, simultaneously – time and time again he managed that impossible balance, that of treating a play for genre like a lark, and, in the same gesture, establishing a high-water mark in that genre. This notion of two films in one, naturally combative yet forced, by Hawks, to work together to complete a set of tasks, manifests itself as 'a Nyby picture', of which we know precious little, and 'a Hawks picture', about which we celebrate half a dozen or more specimens before we get to this one. To me, this film's seeming determination to keep its head low and pass as 'just a B-picture' conceals the most provocative challenge contained in the Hawks corpus. Probably Hawks didn't 'direct' it. But if one had a meter, like in the film, to detect levels of Hawks-ness, it would redline from the first to the last frames. I've watched it more times than I've called my mother." Much of this applies to RB and EL DORADO; the latter was one of the Hawks film that I struggled with and recently learned to stop worrying and love it. Ok I'll stfu now and listen to the ep. Thanks Will and Hesse for posting up with the good shit mid-week.