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MM37 - Enter the Scheider-verse feat. Andrew Hudson

🕑 Added 2025-05-21 11:00:11 +0000 UTC

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Max Fennig

Stanley Kubrick said All That Jazz was one of the best movies he ever saw

Bill Ewanick

Will and Hesse, you made me look into Lenny Bruce and the first thing I found was this: https://youtu.be/G3QgxmiBfNY?si=2W4q5z4Xtk1VrDHF Don't tell me prep kid inventing getting addicted to airplane isn't hilarious!

Letty

Way late to this, but Sprcerer is one of my top 5 favorite 70s films, it's miraculous, so glad y'all covered it. I gotta finish All That Jazz.

Chad Dopamine

Paused halfway through to watch Sorcerer it's so good

Gordon Schmidt

That guy who blew up the tree probably burned down half the Bronx back in the day

Hesse Deni

Yes 100%! If you wanna hear more about it I did an episode of the podcast Extended Clip about it lol

Alex C

Sorcerer is almost as good as uncut gems

Cameron Young

Great episode as always

Bob Lemmon

having listened to tons of Friedkin interviews, i can only imagine him sitting in a theater, watching Star Wars (or at least the first hour) and screaming, "THIS is what they want? It's fucking puppets! they painted some trash cans red and blue and called them droids! people are morons!"

Bob Lemmon

my one logical nitpickwith the film (and just one more stick on the "they're in Hell" bonfire) - why wouldn't the oil company just have fresh (stable) dynamite flown in on the plane? Surely they can just order some from Managua or whatever, right?

Bob Lemmon

he's about as megalomaniacal as Walker (of the Ed Harris/Alex Cox variety)

Bob Lemmon

the fact that Hesse's first time watching Sorceror wasn't on the big screen at some revival house, or on a bootleg, out of desperation pre-bluray restoration, but just on-demand, on edibles...

Bob Lemmon

yeah every time i watch it (but esp t he first time) my reaction is just a mouth-agape "this movie was MADE *FOR* ME!!!" like, could a movie hit my nervous system any more harmonically?

Bob Lemmon

he was too busy spinning cylinders in cambodia to find out

Amos Happ

First I paste this into the wrong comments, now Patreon won’t let me delete it. At least Will would appreciate I was trying to comment on a Star Trek podcast. Not that he would ever read comments

Amos Happ

PRIME CORRECTIVE Matt claimed that Principal Snyder was in charge of Sunnyvale High until it was swallowed by the Hellmouth, ironically in the context of chiding Andy for getting his Buffy lore twisted. Well you just dug your own grave, Mira. ***Major Buffy spoilers follow*** Principal Snyder was devoured by the Mayor in the finale of Season 3! Matt probably got this conflated with the series finale destruction of Sunnyvale because shortly after swallowing Snyder the high school was destroyed in the battle against the Mayor following his Ascension into a giant snake guy. But the incorrectness continues. The first Principal was Principal Flutie, who was also eaten, now that I think about it. Was there some sort of spell requiring all Principals to be eaten? So can we all agree that Buffy should be the next show?

Rohmer Simpson

I only briefly sampled the show but I might go back and go all-in now that you mention Qualley. I'm uh........... I enjoy seeing the thespian Margaret Qualley in motion pictures.

Rohmer Simpson

I get the impression he thought of himself as an Orson Welles type: immeasurable self-regard, sometimes given to hair-trigger eruptions but otherwise, by and large, a guy who wanted most to be seen as a classy dude, and what's more, had more culture in his pinky finger than almost all his colleagues. His appearance on Maron's podcast made a big impression on me. If I could warp space and time I'd make sure he narrated my funeral. Incredible voice.

Warbs

No shade to Scheider but what would All That Jazz be like with Walken playing Joe instead?

Warbs

He reminded me of Llewelyn as well.

Just A Big Cockroach

I worked the door at a bar in college when Joe Mazzulla was playing and a coworkers friend was telling us about how he was in a club the night before and ran into Mazzulla in the bathroom. He started telling Joe how great he was at basketball and Joe said “Oh if you like basketball so much tell me the lineup of the 96 Bulls (I forget the actual team)” the guy started laughing and said “oh I’m not sure”, Joe then broke his beer bottle on the urinal, pointed it at him, and said “tell me the lineup.” Joe then noticed the guys shoes and started complementing them and left the bathroom. Immediately after finishing the story Joe Mazzulla walked up and the guy said “ hey man, you threaten me with a bottle last night!” and Joe just laughed and said “oh yeah I probably did, I was on one!”

J Fitz

Once had a 30 min conversation with William Friedkin at an opera house where he was just mingling with a highball before a performance he directed. Despite his reputation he was really open and enthusiastic, though we only talked about opera.

awwwwwwww

Hesse - you mentioned in passing La Roue by Abel Gance, is that good/recommended? It's been on my Criterion watchlist but I've never committed to watching it.

Diego Corazón

There’s also a ton of Fosse historical context vis a vis Gwen Verdon in the FX “Fosse/Verdon” series from 2020, it’s pretty good and you get Michelle Williams as Verdon and Maggie Qualley as Ann Reinking.

Diego Corazón

The editor of All That Jazz (and Lenny) was Alan Heim, who also plays the editor character in “All That Jazz”. I got a chance to work with him early in my career and he was the sweetest guy, very humble and smart. He’s still around too, he’s currently the president of the editor’s IATSE local.

Shauna Seroquel

It's an acknowledged re-do..

Eamon Short

Hesse's Friedkin sounds kinda like David Lynch, Andrew's sounds like his E1 Biden from a few years back

ERIC

Andrew, why are you bringing bad energy into this masterpiece episode with bad juju on the Knicks!?

Gramsci's Ashes

Whoah, did Friedkin just straight rip off Clouzot's Wages of Fear?

Horse Badorties

Saw it in the theaters, left a deep impression on 12-yr-old me. Bruce Dern is not celebrated as he should be.

Bryan Nicholson

Good ep. I was a little disappointed that the hosts barely touched on RS’s actual acting in Sorcerer through all their vocal impressions of Wm. Friedkin shoving 🧨 up his ass. It’s interesting that Scheider doesn’t play his character Jackie/Juan as particularly smart or gallant, except at the very end when he dances with the old barmaid (which delays his escape long enough to get him killed). In fact, he kinda reminds me of the way Josh Brolin played Llewelyn Moss in No Country for Old Men, as a half-wit shithead who is just clever enough to survive moment by moment, but is too stupid or sentimental to recognize that he’s ultimately doomed. Like Joe Brandon and other immortal Chapo characters?

k v

Highly recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZAvDlqGSEc

k v

oh didn't know this was grown man beanie complain o'clock, happy to report!

etienne

damn this Bye Bye Life joint is a 10/10 certified House Music banger

Brad Snow

God Andrew is not funny

Carter Kriss

halfway through the recap of Sorcerer i had to pause the episode to download and watch it because the whole time i was like "this is a fucking me movie" and holy shit i loved it

Matt Coombs

I haven’t been excited watching a movie in a long time, like not just listening to it. Wages of fear is great but sorcerer is like candy on the eyes

Eamon Short

Saul Goodman-tier taste

Ian Priest

Sorcerer is like a waking nightmare. Every frame of it is so unbelievably sinister it feels like a fever dream. Instant top 5.

Rohmer Simpson

I'm so hyped for the Criterion 4K I'm bleeding

Rohmer Simpson

I think SORCERER heads will really like John Frankenheimer's BLACK SUNDAY (no relation to the Bava). Let me pitch it to you: adapted from Thomas Harris's only non-Hannibal Lecter novel until 2019, the film stars Bruce Dern as a disillusioned Vietnam vet who pairs up with a Palestinian terrorist --- I know I know! but hang with me for a sec --- played by Marthe Keller (a Fassbinder regular and I think someone just mentioned her being in THE MARATHON MAN), to carry out a plot to detonate a shrapnel-laden Goodyear blimp at the Super Bowl. Who's trying to thwart their scheme? Why, a crack team of Mossad agents led by............ fuckin wait for it......... Robert fucking SHAW. Not great, politically? Sure! Stupid as fuck dumbass fun on a grand scale? Absolutely. One of Frankenheimer's best.

chairman bs

Well. This means my mom took me to All That Jazz around Christmas when I was 8... This explains A LOT.

brewdog

THANK YOU. loved this episode, but that she didn't get a mention and not even HESSE spoke up for her had me mildly fuming. Put some respect on her name.

Rohmer Simpson

Apologies if this comes up in the episode (I'm still in the middle of the previous MM) but I want to put in a quick word for the actress and dancer who was Fosse's 2nd wife, Joan McCracken - she only made one film appearance (not including a cameo in HOLLYWOOD CANTEEN), in the 1947 musical GOOD NEWS, but it's proof enough that she was just electric, a proper star. She's the main performer in the title number, as well as my pick for the greatest musical number in all of movies, "Pass That Peace Pipe"; both are clear forerunners to the kind of newfangled dance stylings Fosse would become known for. The movie's on Blu-ray for less than twenty bucks if you think you're up for a blind buy. Undoubtedly one of the piece-of-shit moves Fosse did in his life was leaving McCracken for Gwen Verdon when JM's health started to deteriorate in the late '50s. (Susan Misner plays JM on "Fosse/Verdon", I think for like 3 minutes in one episode.) The kind of thing that fueled the guilt and self-loathing that enriches ALL THAT JAZZ. Whoever said, on the Blank Check episode covering STAR 80, that Fosse thought ATJ would be his swan song and that S80 was a film by a guy who was deeply embarrassed not to have had the good manners to have died already -- direct hit. Jessica Lange's death angel in ALL THAT JAZZ is a tribute to McCracken - her mannerisms/affect, and the costume she wore for her final stage performance, THE INFERNAL MACHINE. (In case you were looking for a Fosse-Cocteau-Oedipus through-line, there ya go!)

Frances Mary

Sorcerer is such a life long favourite. Great episode.

Yarblockos

When I think of Roy Scheider, I think of SeaQuest .

Bloggystyle

Hey guys great episode. You were remiss not to mention my favorite Scheider role- Marathon Man. The scene with the Nazi girlfriend when he traps her lying about the ski stuff, and when he kills the Chinese hitman. Great stuff. Also, you mentioned two of my favorite Hanake films in passing a couple shows ago: Seventh Continent and the Piano Teacher, throw in Funny Games and you have a banger.

Letty

thank u! I haven't finished All that Jazz yet but really wanna hear what they have to say about this truly insane (in the best way) movie.

emalco

I agree, I think Nilo is implied to be a Nazi hunter, which is what he’s doing in his opening vignette. And unlike the other three, he seems to show up in the Central American village for a purpose instead of being driven there by desperation. Then he assassinates “Marquez,” who is strongly suggested to be a nazi war criminal. It’s not because he’s desperate to replace him in the crew.

Rory Schreiber

For Sorcerer, I got the impression that “the Mexican guy” was a Nazi hunter. We need to get back to having blue collar, bring your lunch pail to work actors like Scheider.

HamDrawn

Sorcerer discussion begins at 1:11:34

Peevish Giraffe

I once had a dream where Roy Scheider was my dad and we were on an island hunting pinatas. The weirdest part was that even in the dream I knew that Roy Scheider wasn't normally my dad.

AndyFartin

Sorcerer soundtrack is my sex music

Dongo

Hesse and Will have such big hearts and broad minds and you can tell from their incredible movie choices and pair ups 💜

Voodoo Glow Skulls

52 pick up is phenomenal, has an all time sleaze ball bad guy crew. Ann Margaret is smokin and Roy kills as small business pervert and blue jag owner.

Jon Spinillo

From a Harper’s Bazaar article about this GOD TIER GAY PUSSY GETTA “According to Fosse biographer Sam Wasson, Fosse was skeptical about casting Verdon as the female lead, and requested that he and Verdon first meet and rehearse together to see whether they could work together. From the first number in rehearsal, "Whatever Lola Wants," Verdon was hooked: "Watching Bob Fosse slithering and stalking his way through the oldest stripper tricks in the book," Wasson writes, "slipping off invisible gloves and shaking his imaginary tits, [Verdon] felt herself giving in. He was fantastic." Out of that meeting came a professional and romantic connection that would span decades. Fosse and Verdon married in 1960, and though they separated in 1971—after several infidelities on Fosse’s part—they remained married until Fosse died in 1987.”

Yairo Martis

William Walker Friedkin

JD

Cliff Gorman was Lenny Bruce, He was also devastating in the original 'Boys in the Band', directed by Friedkin! Also would be great for future mindset if you ever wanna do an o.g. queer films ep

drewb

It's a mere fraction of my disappointment that this is not an episode *featuring* Rob Schneider. Deuce Bigolo himself breaking down his favourite scenes and least favourite vaccines

JD

a couple more great Scheider supporting appearances in the 70s : Jacques Deray's 'The Outside Man' and 'The French Conspiracy'. Also from '86 Frankenheimer's '52 Pickup' is an.underrated gem of nastiness.

demonsweat

"He's gay for death now" had me cackling

Noah Mickens

The ex wife is based on Gwen Verdon, you philistines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIiZuAVZH4w

Anomalie

I wanted to see Sorcerer just off the movie poster alone. I was too high while watching it, my roommate came in to check on me during the rope bridge scene bc I was just shouting no no no no no at the tv. The dynamite drive wouldn't have been a problem if they'd had a toyota hilux.

JKL

Roy Scheider’s daughter was in my class in 7th grade. She was cute, and totally had her dad’s nose!

Kyle Cassidy

Referred to 'All That Jazz' as 'The Trials and Tribulations of Mister A-Number-One Pussy-Getter' during our watch and got a snort-laugh out of my wife.