Seeking a Fren for the End of the World: Episode 1 - This is Really Just the Beginning
🕑 Added 2024-12-11 12:00:10 +0000 UTCIn a new series by Felix, Josh (@ettingermentum), and Spencer, we ask: how did the Republican Party, once the dominant force in American culture for almost a generation, become a group of bowtied cosplayers and rapist streamers yelling about Litterboxes? We trace this development back to the empires built by two men—Paul Weyrich and James Dobson—as well as the failures of one Pat Buchanan.
This episode draws from Dan Gilgoff’s The Jesus Machine and David Grann’s “Robespierre Of The Right.” For a full list of sources, check our works cited doc here: www.chapotraphouse.com/seeking
Comments
Andy Kraushaar
This is my third time going through this series and that "hot knifing dog chemo meds" bit stil kills me.
Scot Forsythe
Tex!
TheHairyClevage
No, that's your penis.
treat
Pastor TL Barrett 💞
Edgar Rincon
Great for a Christmas drive home 👌🏽
Eli
It’s a bit dry
TLT
Apologies to the surely excellent work of the others involved but please begin giving ettingermentum the same amount of content appearance/contribution time as is currently allotted to virgil
Joseph Shields
Great stuff. Would love to hear more.
David Woodward
😭 found a copy of one of his parenting books in Chinese at my in laws house. It really horrifies me that the stupidest parts of American evangelicalism are being spread all over the world.
David Woodward
Right? Spent 8th grade binging those off their website
Simon Maraya
I was homeschooled until high school, honestly I think it's fine. Just make sure they have ways to make friends and do normal kid stuff with other kids.
Jennifer Hammerhead
Bro Ive seen all of Schaeffer's videos and at one point had a complete volume of books. I read about half of them. I read A Christian Manifesto at least 3 times. Nobody talks about the man but he is critcal in understanding the theology/politics of that era of conservative Evangelicalism. He also looked like an elf and wore lederhosen.
Jason
Father I stretch my hands at the end?
Jingle Jangler
Oh next time listen while watching family guy best clips and mazerunner streamers
Noahjon marshall
The bibliography is 48 pages long 👏🏼
William J Engelman
This is so goddamn boring
Studio Novaya
Great work, very into this, thank you.
Collin
Not quite; put De Vos into google translate (“the fox” in english) to hear how it’s pronounced in Dutch. Great instance of nominative determinism though
Aaron M
I live like 10 minutes from the Amway world headquarters. "Rich" DeVos went by "Dick" DeVos. I thought you would all like that. Unfortunately his dumbass name is on every other university building in the area so the DeVos family has an open invitation to have their balls licked by honors students two or three times per semester. The DeVos family has been trying to retroactively erase history, that cunt will always be a Dick.
Jalen Onisko
Hahaha dude he died after my pilled NP mom treated him with ivermectin and hydroxichloroquine or however the fuck it’s spelled
Alex Weber
Felix, Spencer, and Josh this was awesome. I’m hooked
Justin Kase
Loving this
drewb
"Enyart opposed mandated vaccinations and mask mandates for COVID-19. He died of COVID-19." lol
Jalen Onisko
“It Follows,” but with James Dobson lol
Jalen Onisko
It’s crazy to know the shit is still around. Hell dude if you guys wanna see a real niche psycho you should check out the pastor of the church we went to. If you get some time do a cursory look at Bob Enyart 👀
Justin Webber
May have missed it, did they say this would be a weekly release on Patreon?
Sisyphus
I am not still following it! (abstinence) not voluntarily anyway. I’m voluntarily involuntary abstinent wait….
Megan
My current addiction to podcasts probably can be traced back to FoF’s Adventures in Odyssey. Salute to Dobson for introducing me to the audio drama format
Aaron Dinga
"It must've resembled a version of O block populated by lemon party participants" lmao. this is so fucking good you guys
etienne
i donc Care hes fun
Tyler Sutherland
why would you wnat to hear what he wants to say, he framed himslef as Mr. Too-Damn-Elections for the apst year and he was 100% wrong on every level about the election lmao
james lynch
Am I confused or isn't Rich Voss the comedian, Rich Devos is someone else
Casey S
Oh Felix! I didn't know you cared...
James F LeBlanc
Christ Felix, it's Paul WHY-rick!
jepasc
It's their "damp squid"
Podcast subscriber 78
Man they love re-numeration, even when reading off a script that says remunerate. I guess they think money is written in numerals so you “re-numer” yourself? It’s so funny to me.
Instantdumbass
He just needs more crystals on his speakers
Instantdumbass
Nerd
Instantdumbass
Damn Unc is cooking fr.
K H
You spend money. I rape money. We are not the same.
K H
We love the sicko deep lore. Ran through this a couple times. Once gooning. Once falling asleep post goon sesh. Maybe once more paying attention.
Zachary Wood
This made my 3rd eye open wide and I discovered swag for the first time
jack dougal
Pastor tl barret: father I stretch my hands
RDew
What’s the title of the outro song?
James Roche
Ah, I like Josh really, I'm just busting balls.
Khemith
Ok some praises and criticisms: I like the music seques. A good look into how Democrats got spooked into their current political meta. My only gripe: Felix is just not suited to reading a script not written by himself. It's not terrible or anything. I listened to the whole podcast in two sittings. Maybe add a conversation interlude between the scripted stuff?
NitroDickclapp III
Damn this is amazing, Felix and the boys knocked it out of the park.
Brendan O'Loughlin
Aaat was some miiiiighty fine a pickin' and a singin'!
4 Yalies and a dirt strip in Honduras
Felix lookin for Affrin at the end of the world. We love him folks we do
etienne
bit disappointed Joshingermentum isn't speaking on this, i really enjoy his Nick Mullen on nootropics drawl
Daffy
Telling on yourself if you take to heart anything a pollster predicts. He correctly hedged all his wishcasting better than anyone else you read or listened to. Pollsters who "got it right" were saying Elon Musk was going to out charisma Kamala. He got it right. But nobody can accurately gauge how much the American vox populi has suffered and checked out. "Finger prints" The hell does that mean. He's co-author. He's got a byline. Moron
Daffy
Audio pedants are the most irritating scum online. Twitch banned them years ago. You're listening on earbuds. Quality details on spoken word like that do not come across on regular speakers. I hope Felix records the next one in the blind man's recording studio in "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" just so you'll unsub. Your ears are the manifestation of neoliberal individuality.
Evan Pitkin
Actually laughed out loud a few times. Well written.
Boaz Corey
A corner of history I never cared to read about, since the hilarious media from that time sorta speaks for itself. Thanks Felix
Boaz Corey
I'm in music/audio and don't really care enough to care, but it kinda blows me away how low quality the audio is in the chapo world. The spoken human voice is very easy to make sound good these days haha.
mariol struga
its so crazy cause ive never seen heard or participated in any of these things… closest ive been was 4chan but its a whole world of crazy right wing media. is the mid ass shit i see on tv and internet just “lib shit”?
Leonardo Restrepo
Right? That's basically an admission that the admin refused to take anything on the chin.
Craig
I was deep in the early altright/fascist movement of Obama's first term. Pat was venerated as the father of the movement
Devon Cunningham
Devos, as in multiple De-evolutions.
Matt James Rich
I like to think they look at the last name and think of the band DEVO and try to pronounce it that way.
Wesley Campbell Caretto
Hope he sees this bro
Etienne
On top of that I'm 15 mins from Glendale
Devon Cunningham
That's such a funny concept. "Actually, the asshole that I'm married tos last name is pronounced De-vaws."
Etienne
Hey Felix, I'm more than happy to edit and mix your all of your audio files for cheap. I enjoy the content but I'm so annoyed from not only the phasing on the phasing in episode 892, but now the utterly obvious separate takes with different gain structures and/or mic positioning in this episode. It's distracting for those of us who are even slightly sensitive to this and it's relatively easy to fix. Ive worked in the music industry for +20 years. Please feel to reach out or dm me.
Ian Baumgart
How does Felix’s audio quality still suck after a decade? You should actually pay Metro Boomin to fix the file plus you get a good tag on the intro
lars
My sister homeschooled all four of her kids (K-12 basically) - as part of a homeschooling group. She's a Christian, not particularly outspoken, but you would never guess her kids were homeschooled. They've all gone on to public universities, are more or less liberals, and are really unique and interesting kids/adults. I do think she and her kids are kind of an anomaly and nothing like the homeschoolers I knew as a kid. All this is to say, I suppose it can work....maybe... I have two kids who attend NYC public schools and I wouldn't change that. I personally resisted my parents attempt to homeschool me when I was a kid, but ended up going to insanely conservative religious schools instead, which was great...
Michael
I remember Erik Prince correcting a congressional representative on that when he was testifying about Blackwater atrocities in Iraq.
lars
or Chapo x XTC
lars
Same, child of 80's/90's Dobson obsessives - though no family work connection. It's a minor thing but I was hoping we'd get a mention on the ep of Breakaway or Brio magazine - FOTF's teen content rag. If you had a friend who liked Metallica, Breakaway had advice on what to do. Sort of surprised to see it still exists, but also not surprised...
etienne
"and, if you're listening to this program, there's a good chance it worked so well that you're still following it!"
Sam Zeng
Lol and Kamala tried to revive it through her tagging closer the Cheneys. Brilliant shit by the Democrats.
kron
if young metro don’t trust you I’m gon shoot you
kron
I felt burned for buying into his electoral predictions, but on policy he usually seems to have the right ideas.
Man2quilla
Oh boy, another podcast that makes me wish hell was real
Ian H
To Leo Restrepo's point earlier, I feel like the key part of the Stephanie Cutter Podjons interview that no one talked about is the bit where she says "Can you imagine the stories coming out, well that's not what she said in the meeting" to explain the risk of breaking with Biden. It pretty clearly implies that Kamala and her people at least believed that if they campaigned against any Biden policy that he or members of his cabinet would leak negative stories calling her a liar. In a general election against Trump, where "democracy" and "women's lives" where at stake according to the Dems.
Kyle Strupp
Purina Hall of Fame. One of their very best. So patient, so unattended...
James Roche
The fingerprints of the disgraced fraud Ettingermentum are all over this one.
Ric Mahurin
Is this going to be released weekly or are we getting a batch release? I really like the topic and don’t wanna wait 😘
Devon Cunningham
This is a common mistake but DeVos is pronounced Dee-vaws not Dee-vose. Great first episode.
drewb
Reminded me of that propagandhi song that starts with pigs squealing in an abbotoir, which was only marginally more distressing than whatever Stephen Crowder was doing
Dan Nancarrow
so good
Aaron Lott
I’m lovin it
Michael S. Judge
I think he might've been my first realization that there was a whole world of guys fucking everything up who weren't even in the government and that I was to become accordingly pissed
Michael S. Judge
What was that Pat Buchanan theme drop at like 28:00? You guys who didn't grow up in a rich Catholic fascist milieu have no idea how large a presence Pat Buchanan was in the millennial teenage Political Guys of the News World pantheon
Nora
Thank you for a series like this!!
Harrison B
Subscribed for this, great insights. As someone that grew up in Grand Rapids, MI. The Devos family have funded every right wing hack for the last century. I wasn’t surprised to hear how far their ties go.
Ale
My gf grew up in Colorado Springs, and when she went to an exchange term in Chile, at one point she stayed at an indigenous family with two books: a Bible and a Focus on the Family book
J C
Another homeschooler checking in. Please send your kids to regular school.
J C
Same, it was actually kind of infuriating hearing the old shit's voice again
R0wdy161
Excellent
J.P. McD.
Coming from a guy who was homeschooled 1.5 years by liberal parents - send them to school. I was set back years socially. (I’m great now and wouldn’t change anything but without the benefit of hindsight the choice would be clear to me.)
Jake Ginsburg
Awesome guys
Ghordo
Nah the movement Conservatism of the Reagan era actually collapsed around the 2000s but tbh that's insider sports shit for the political cranks out there, to be fair
Sam Schick
Real good work
KS
Memento mori
Tim Mullen
Very dope, very cool Felix!
Kelly magera
IGY by Donald Fagen too
KS
“Trent Lot of Elvira fame” lololol
Laura
In listening to this, I realized that I don't think I ever actually heard the original "read my lips" speech, just the people making jokes later. That was such a catchphrase for a while.
lemao
banger. been listening to blowback, and i LOVE this style of series.
Jalen Onisko
I was raised on that Dobson shit. My step dad even worked for Focus On The Family. Not a day goes by that I don’t wish pain upon James Dobson
cuttino mobley
Loved the El-vi-raaa echo
boo
series artwork kinda rules
Craig
Real ones got that Rich Vos joke
Sam Thomas
Hell yeah love Spencer
jepasc
I love the guys but it's killing me to hear them always say "renumerate" when they mean to say "remunerate"
Rene Saller
Such s great episode. Looking forward to all the subsequent ones. Thank you for the peerless collab.
billbo
It's Chronological. We are only to early 2000s and the movement fell to the way side during that time.
memorymachine
who was choosing the music? i'd guess spencer or chris based on the taste. nice XTC track
Andrew Cross
ah so Dobson inspired Shower With Your Dad Simulator 2015
Munir hakim
This shit fire bro
interzoa
Two fail movements fighting for votes in a fail state. Whoever won the election, it doesn't prove the party's vitality, it proves the expiration of a country's political institutions
Zeebes
Xtra Eloquent felix is cool. Truly 😎 a voice made for poetry. ❤️
B.C.
Send them to school man. Basically 0 ppl have the bandwith to fully teach 6 different subjects. If they start spouting nonsense, correct them, put the right book in their hands, but you are likely leaving something out yourself or at the very least de-socialising them
B.C.
Never thought I'd see Chapo x Manic Street Preachers lol
Podcast subscriber 78
Came here to find this comment. Having the same experience. There are a number of highly concentrated references and metaphors and jokes very close together, the way you’d normally find see in a pithy essay (with interesting footnotes). EDIT: I’ll say it does get a lot better.
James Fair
I grew up in rural South Carolina, and anywhere you went as a child has focus on the family children's magazines, they were everywhere. Every doctor, dentist, and divorce lawyers office I was in as a kid had them, hell My pediatricians office played videos from them as well on their early flat screen TV's that I found so cool. Haven't thought about that in years and hearing "focus on the family" hit me like a sleeper agent hearing his activation code
Brett Mercer
Excellent music choices. Looking forward to the rest of the series
Eric_WVGG
Amazing. I only wish this one was split into two or three longer episodes. For any dumb-dumbs like myself: “fren” is apparently slang for “Far Right Ethno-Nationalist”
Nixper
Comeback zinc!
Christopher E Musgrave
Framing this as an obituary for a failed movement seems uh, bold given how election went? Or have I missed something?
Brandt
It was good. I enjoyed it. I’ll be listening to the rest of the series for sure. I think the style of it especially at the beginning can be distracting from the point by being verbose, spoken quickly, and having a lot of video game/pop culture references. I find myself having to press the rewind 10 sec button a lot to catch the main point.
Christopher E Musgrave
They had a cartoon, if you ever feel like wanting to tear out your eyes and burn them
Christopher E Musgrave
Repressed homosexuality is the basic engine of history
billbo
Nerd
billbo
Closeted bi/gay usually.
Jesse Svetlich
Big ups Felix
Max Monlux
This Felix guy is super interesting, they should have him on the pod more often
It’s corn, it’s got the juice.
This is the start of a great series! Thank you Felix!
nat
Why do people have such weird fucking beliefs man. All these men are freaks. It baffles the mind to even think people connect with their ideas
Schwartz666
"My opponent now says he will raise [taxes] as a last resort or a 3rd resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into!" 🔥 Full Bush bars right there.
linguinitortellini
Happy birthday!
JP
This is the first time I’m hearing of this.
JP
giddy up
JP
Hell yeah
A.C. Miller
Might I recommend never commenting on anything ever again?
Liam Sweeney
Both an incredible episode and an incredible birthday present to me lol. Can't wait for the rest of the series
Jonathan
who cares about pronouncing politicians names correctly?
Brendan Kneeland
Love the Blowbackian opening starting with the Crowder humiliation ritual. A great use of the format
interzoa
Its like a prequel to all that Warhammer lore (probably idk)
Budget Hireling
You can pronounce names any way you want, nerd
Smooth Shrek
You ever heard Felix say the word “alien”? He just has a folksy accent leave him alone
Maicol
You’re talking about a guy who still mispronounces Kamala’s name
Fernslinger
Hey Travis! What time does Felix start talking?
T
I home school our kids - mostly because the schools in our area are poor quality and our kids have higher needs than what the schools can offer. There are a few families I know that home school that aren’t crazy, but most are reactionary Christian’s or reactionary woo-woo RFK types. It’s hard to know what to do with our kids -send them to the terrible public school or home school them and run the risk of it hurting them socially in the long run.
Baduncadonk
Just started this, and the first ten minutes are honestly kind of embarrassing . . . How does Felix not know how to pronounce Weyrich and Viguerie’s names? Did he not watch or listen to any interviews with them that included introductions, nor any other A/V media referencing them? And, how does no one else catch the issues during editing? If you guys are going to make dedicated, in-depth podcasts, you gotta make a de minimis effort to get basic shit like subjects’ names right.
Chuck Skooch
Felix, this is so fire. Abstinence Only at work.
The Out
God we gotta get a soundtrack for this series put together, some of the best transition music we’ve had from a Chapo ep/series yet
Matthew
hell yea this rocks. thanks felix
demonsweat
Sounds awful. I wasn't aware of it, but I think my parents hit the eject on FoF before then.
Kentucky Shitlib
Excellent
Schwartz666
The Earworm has escaped containment again! God help us all....
J.P. McD.
I like ettingermentum but I found the 2022 praise of him extremely annoying because there’s guys out there spewing every possible opinion, so of course some are guaranteed to be right after the fact.
Duncan Fraser
Did you ever listen to ‘Adventures in Odyssey’? Only exposure to it is through relisten episodes talking about it on ‘Worse of all possible worlds’ podcast.
kitty pavlova
please tell me you give spencer a mic in one of these
Erik Weissengruber
Max Blumenhal’s Republican Gommorrah gives a very good account of the truly wicked pastoral care-direct mail-political influence machine.
Sergei Filipov
51:08 that was OD
Matelda
This was made when we all knew Trump & the freak GOP would be ascendant in 2016 and remain unvanquished by 2024.
Matelda
I dunno I'm gonna listen to Episode 2 before I decide
Loren Huggins
So Stoked on the Don Fagen IGY cut in E1. I feel seen.
Ian H
Huge grin on my face hearing XTC, even though that's their worst song
Sam Zeng
> Turns out being a freak wins Trump is one of the most unpopular political figures in the modern era. It was just that Kamala was even more unpopular than him. You are delusional if you think JD Vance represents a more coherent and potential successful political movement than movement conservatism.
Meadow Green
Felix is so brilliant
Kyletrynadip
This that kinda series you gotta sit and listen to with your browser open
Aiden
First
Pat Z
The section on James Dobson made me realize some things about my childhood. Holy shit.
calvin kilby
Luigi from UEG
Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice
Building a left political Acapella group to perform at events: Lu-i-gi! 🎵
Ghordo
Wrong. Trump and the GOP won this election because of inflation and calories, first and foremost. The Democrats didn't have any ethos whatsoever beyond being The Party of Governance(TM), but what's being governed is indefensible. They didn't even stick with the whole "Conservatives are weird freaks" for very long. They just arrogantly thought they had it in the bag for the rest of the election after humoring that for only a couple of weeks
Leonardo Restrepo
It's not impossible- Johnson basically did this to Humphrey in 1968. Kamala was and is an ASS candidate, but her messaging being as horrifically noncommittal, in an election where EVERYONE knew that Biden was a millstone. I know there's some dark party personnel politics.
cori
elvira mentioned
Johnny Monday
Perlstein interview >>>>
Paul Thompson
This rocks
Patrick Allen
I appreciate the list of sources and the crediting of scholars’ work.
FA
Take a lap
Leonardo Restrepo
The needle drops- dang imma want a playlist at the end of all this.
glieb
O BLOCK POPULATED BY LEMON PARTY PARTICIPANTS HAHAHAHA
demonsweat
My parents listened to Focus on the Family when I was young. Pretty odd, since we were Catholic (they are still devout), and there was quite a bit of anti-Papist "Whore of Babylon" content that was confusing to me ("Mom, do we worship the devil?"). Hey, it was the 80s. Anyways, they stopped listening after a while, probably when they realized a lot of their friends were also listening and decided to leave the Church for some of the more "fun" evangelical denominations.
drewb
🤠 El-vi-ra 🎶
Tim O'Connor
Felix Mindset Returns 🔥
The True Horror
HELL YEAH
MATT TRIANO
We wish her well
Leonardo Restrepo
Idk about that- I think he was right that the senate was lost, and the house was narrowly going to be close to 50/50. My main takeaway is that Trump isn't Trumpism, and non-college educated voters (while having inscrutable political and cultural beliefs) do have material interests not being met by the democrats. Someday in the future, we'll find out that Biden threatened to outright endorse Trump if she broke with him publicly on his foreign or domestic policy, depressing democrat turnout.
Peter Boardman
I like podcast
nat
Congrats on the release Felix! I'm gonna listen as soon as I'm home from work at approximately 3:04ET
Zach Pierce
24:00 IGY one of my favorite Fagwn tunes. Yacht rock? Possibly
Blank
Felix first speaks at 00:40
Julian Perez
Ooof this doesn’t work because it was made when it assumed a defeat due to Trump world being freaks, due to ettingermentum being WRONG on predicting this election. Not a genius, he just got lucky when others were wrong. Turns out being a freak wins, and the normal people lost, and Dobbs wasn’t that important
CS
Been ready for this Felix series LFG!
Ben Kamal
She's so many women. He can't find the one who was his fren.
Christian Johnson
Many say it's the most beautiful series
Christian Johnson
🙌
Chris
Came at a good time. Im freakin pumped. Been drinking green tea all god damned day
TugNuggins
Let's go baby
McMiller
Let’s goooooo
Zach Pierce
How’d they know?
Tom Stevenson
Fourth!
Shawn
My boy pussy is quaking for this slop, can’t wait to look for cum with a black light with this!
That’s Crazy
we love a new series don’t we folks
Tyler Joseph
Fresh slop
Markus Kraköwski
No sleep for me I guess.