The Horrors of Plum Island | Hybrids, Human Experiments and Weaponized Killer Insects
🕑 Added 2023-09-28 03:15:18 +0000 UTCIn July 2008, the carcass of an animal washed up on the beach at Montauk Point Long Island. Local beachcombers are used to seeing dead animals. Seagulls, fish, crabs, even the occasional whale. But they had never seen anything like this.
Animal experts were brought in to identify it. They were stumped. It looked like part dog, part reptile and part rodent - with the beak of a bird. This animal, whatever it was, became known as the Montauk Monster.
But where did the Monster come from?
There could be only one answer. Plum Island.
Plum Island is just a few miles from where the monster was found.
Locals had heard rumors that this was a top-secret government facility that created bioweapons, engineered animal hybrids and maybe even experimented on people.
Sounds like a wild theory.
But then another animal washed up on the beach. Again, it couldn't be identified. And then another animal. And then two more.
In 2010, the *rumors* about Plum Island seemed to be true when something else was found on the beach. This time it wasn't a strange animal. It was a body. A human body.
Well... it was almost human.
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David Leatherman
Scary, scary
George Quihuis
I joined patron just for Heckle fish.
Steven Moore
We'll never really know but, that's the beautiful thing about it all. Just live and don't worry about what you can't control. Question it, but don't worry it.
Wilma Titzgreaux
He’s a pretty smart guy!
Bosco Lemonzit
the one thing about this episode that really bugged me is how they hell did AJ know rats have four toes on their back feet, how the hell would you know that?
Bosco Lemonzit
Most weeks they do post early here on Patreon on Thursday or Wednesday but sometimes with editing they can’t do it and you get it when the show starts at 6 PM Pacific time on YouTube
Wilma Titzgreaux
Hey everyone….. i’m not sure the schedule any more (now that it’s changed). Does anybody know when the next video will be up and will it be here on Patreon or will it be on YouTube (where I usually watch it)? Thank you so much.❤️
Bosco Lemonzit
That was actually kind of odd. I unplugged my computer ethernet cable and I put my phone in airplane mode, but I forgot about my old XR, which does not have phone service at all, but was still connected to the Wi-Fi and it got the alert. they said they were going to do it to cell phones, TVs and radio but apparently it was coming through the Internet Interesting. So I took my phone out of airplane mode at 1:28pm central and about 10 seconds later the alert sounded on it. Gonna give computer 30 min and rehook it up and see what happens
MikeD
Put in airplane mode.
David Parisi
Great episode!! I agree this may be among the best! Fine work, AJ and crew!!
Wilma Titzgreaux
I’m turning off everything….phones, tvs, iPads, etc.
Bosco Lemonzit
Which reminds me, in the show with all the ticks, I half expected AJ to do a quasi X-Files thing and the cockroach episode and at some point towards the end of the show have a tick walk across the screen. Do you even think of doing that and decide not to?
Bosco Lemonzit
Totally off-topic, but did anybody catch the article about the test on Wednesday 220pmEastern, they’re going to send an emergency broadcast to every cell phone radio and TV and oh my, the conspiracy theories are what this is all about everything from activating spike proteins to zombie apocalypse - still might turn my phone off though
Olly Williams
It keeps disappearing and coming back again on my YouTube. Might just be mine mate
MikeD
What makes you think it’s hidden? Not disagreeing, just wondering as the episode has 1.4 million views as of Monday morning and it doesn’t have the dreaded Wikipedia context warning. Ads also still running.
MikeD
Splice?
Davey_D
Great show, as usual. But something is driving me crazy. What movie is the creature from that you use in your thumbnail? I know I've seen it.
Mikki Proffitt
Fantastic episode. I've been saying for decades the US is a huge petri dish. 😖
John Lane
This is one of my favourite episodes so far!
Olly Williams
Why has this been hidden on youtube
Shanon Freeman
This may very well be one of the best episodes you've done.
Bosco Lemonzit
Yeah, just like they promised us the genetically modified salmon in salmon farms wouldn’t escape into the wild. Oh wait, they did in Iceland.
Bosco Lemonzit
Snakes and gators - just in case you change your mind and want another excuse to stay away from Florida or the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana
Don Stewart
Awesome show. I think this was one of your best shows. Really made me think and wonder......why!!
Steven Chell
Wow this episode really freaked me out I live in NJ about 45 miles away from NYC. I thought they would have to be much more careful like the world depended on it. I don't think we should be messing with diseases or viruses unless they are trying to come up with cures
Elise
Thanks A.J. I've got the 🍿😘
Elise
I'm asking myself where have I been since only hearing about the first "animal" washing up and then disappearing?!?!?
Tiph Tobie
I love this episode. I always wondered about those "things" washing up on the shoreline. I am not thrilled that the new facility will be in Kansas...
Sandra Childress
Oh my gosh!!! Favorite episode!!! 💙
MysTerri
Dr Aafia Sidiqi also visited Vancouver and had access to reservoirs in southern BC. But she would have needed help and night vision goggles and knowledge of the water testing schedule.
John Seychel
Thanks for the great story. Double thanks for the Tshirt!
azreen
as always a great episode guys, well done!! and terrifying to know this thing about the killer bugs exist, stay safe everyone
DawnAW
I am waiting for the dangler and slippers to go live!!!!
Wilma Titzgreaux
Awww….you guys are the best! I sent 2 pictures of her with her favorite new toy (Hecklefish plushie). I hope you guys do an episode on NDE’s (especially if animals greet us) soon! Much love to the team!
Wilma Titzgreaux
Thank you so much 🙏
Wilma Titzgreaux
Thank you! She was absolutely the sweetest cat….not a mean bone in her body! I think Hecklefish would’ve even liked her!
MyAurora
Big YES on the Hecklefish dangler and slippers - wallet ready - ka-ching!
Jim Sharrow
Dangler dangler boil a Spangler. Ate some hecklefish and am now in danger
Jim Sharrow
Dangler dangler boil a Spangler
Benjamin Doyle
Terrifying episode! Be careful, guys.
Autumn Spredemann
Wow, Incredible episode! Not too worried about deadly bugs since I already live in the Amazon. (Haha, but seriously, I do) Well done as always WF team, I tip my hat to you.
Linda Donico
Great podcast!
Katy
Fascinating and disturbing, just how I love them! Great research on this. I had no idea just how flagrantly the government handles security. Thanks for another amazing episode!!
peter drysdale
Terrifying
Ivari Tölp
Save me, jebus. That video depressed me to all heck. Also I have a new list of US states I never want to visit. Not that I needed an excuse to not be within 1000km of Florida anyway.
HattieAnne
Is the music thing new?
Oliver Moreno
This was INTENSE! I was a bit stressed during this episode... and I drove by that CDC building earlier today lol
Andy Shriver
Excellent episode! Thanks again for the excellent research and presentation. Just a few hints if you're interested in more of this: Ecohealth Alliance, Peter Daszak, CIA.
Eric E Erickson
Bummer...I live in Kansas!
AnonLurkerVids
"The Hot Zone" mini-series, based on book of same name, is story of how Ebola escaped CDC/Ft Detrick. In 2019 all research at Ft Detrick's lab (USAMRIID) was indefinitely put on hold after the CDC cited the org for failing to meet biosafety standards.
Kathleen Dorney
I live on LONG ISLAND! I’m not going to sleep tonight!!!!!!!! 😱 Glad they are closing it down!
thormusique
Wow ! A chilling, sobering episode. Yet you guys still manage to make it fun. Wonderful research as well, as always. Cheers !
linda baker
Omgosh
John Edgeworth
Yes, I did forget it, but now I remember that terrible noise.. thank you
william john travis morgan
An exceptional episode, the truth when found is way scarier than fiction. Crabcats may be mean … but ticks are bad, real bad.
Deirdre a greene
Super wow!
Ryan Downing
Another one of those I wish I could have ended it on a happy note episodes lol
Wendaruth
This is one of the best episodes you and Hecklefish have put out! LOVED IT!!!
Joe P
My God. This is terrifying. You think the government would be more responsible... oh wait... Another great and informational episode Why Files Team!
Ryan Gallant
That was the most terrifying 30 minutes of my life
Ryan Downing
"As recent as the 1990s..." That needs amended to as latest as 2020 lol
Bosco Lemonzit
You forgot the worst of the 70s - disco music
No Way Jose
Hands down one of your best!!!!!
Jen Giresi
This was chilling and a great episode. Well done, Why Files Team
Jason Moore
Why do we still allow the US government to run. We need to rise up and stop them.
Rebecca Maybelline Queen
I think I'm done with patreon. Been nothing but a hassle.
Rebecca Maybelline Queen
Idk why it won't play for me
NanTiki
Wow. No, Kris L had it right. "Holy fuck!"
Melissa Taylor
I am never leaving my house again!
Kris L
Holy fuck...
Tegan
Very imprtant topic 😳😱
Bosco Lemonzit
First I’m sorry for your loss. I did lose a couple coworkers that I miss. But don’t take it out on AJ unless you’re suggesting there’s a conspiracy around Covid?
Adventures with Krit
This was a great episode!
Safe and effective!
Can you say CoFED!
Brenda H
I'm ready to climb inside Mel's Hole, just let me get my HazMat suit on and grab some snacks...
BrashFink
NICE! No RPG Game again tonight... so I will wait for the premiere to watch
Mitchell Reid
Great episode. Very scary though..
John Edgeworth
Great show, I lived in New Haven, Ct during the 60, and 70's, Ahh fun years; Vietnam protects, (Black Panther) Bobby Seal trial, the Moon, Landings, Nixon resigns, Ford falls down a lot (not as much as Biden). lots of great music, and "other" stuff to take ah do, and yes as you mentioned, Lyme disease. Psst lets not forget the Iran hostage crisis of 1979ish among other things!
SemperBarta
I laughed too hard at this.
Eliana Brown
Great episode!! An Eye opener for sure. And as Always thank you for making it so fun to watch 🥰
Frank baker
Very nice research. I wonder when he'll be shut down because of the issue he raises.
SemperBarta
This is a good one AJ and team. Fascinating...but frightening.
Kevin Via
My Time on the Island was not fun, but it made me "what" I am today, so I guess I'm ok with it.
Laura Lamantia
In case you got amnesia and forgot?😂
Laura Lamantia
I'm convinced of quantum immortality. There's no way we survived all those accidents 😂
Joe Little
Oooo... it started off as a neat mutated monster type story and ended up being really scary. Good job, WF Crew.
Bosco Lemonzit
Good luck in tornado season - I’m sure they designed things to withstand them. Couldn’t possibly see the tornadoes suck up and spread everything in the place over the next three states.
Brenda H
Try not to breathe or drink the water...
Bobbie Zarate
I knew safety protocols were lax, but Damn!! This was an excellent episode, Thank you, WF Team 💞
NorthwoodsJen
Three things I hate the most in this world: 1. Ticks 2. Shadow People 3. Angel Food Cake If WF does an angel food cake episode, it will have forced me to face all my fears in-depth and head-on. 😳🤣🤣🤣
Michele Hoffman
I live in Manhattan, KS.... oh joy!
Michele Hoffman
Greetings from Manhattan, KS!!! Future home of the NBAF labs.... otherwise known as Plum Island 2.0!! Great.... 🙄
Hitesh
I can't speak for the US, but working on some labs in the U.K. , the security around the design for these facilities is quite stringent. However theoretically speaking........ what a design consultant puts on a drawing and what is actually built may be different especially if the client is looking to cut costs.
Liz Jacoby
Wow, this one super freaked me out. Great episode. Thank you guys!!
Steve Gold
I agree very strange episode
Tamarah Hood
It's about 2 hours away by car.
Rick Flynn
Thanks to you and your team to have the guts to get this produced. I look forward to spreading it far and wide when it hits YouTube. Having had Lyme disease in the 70's, I can only wonder what else I've encountered through the years...Now is the time to keep exposing the dirty incompetents...
GIFT REVOLVER
Very scary
Joedemo
This has to be the most disturbing video you’ve produced yet
Jeff Pierce
What a great, but scary episode !!!
Thanatos
This is what you call fascinatiing
The Why Files
hahaha ...random question ;-) Gino is here.
John Hobart
Son of a bich man, if I wasn’t already militant enough toward agencies like NASA that are dirty lying crooked puke bags, this one makes me wish a few teams of “retired” navy seals and other special ops teams would make a country/world wide tour to clean up this garbage. The CIA 100% needs to be abolished.
The Why Files
thanks for this!!! ;-)
The Why Files
oh no!! So sorry to hear this news! Many hugs and much love- please send us the pic: https://thewhyfiles.com/wild/
Amanda Russell
Great episode!
Bosco Lemonzit
Chuckle
SnowCrash
Outstanding episode, way to go AJ and team!
Donovan Young
With holes drilled in his head — I’m curious if they were measured out and done methodically. Crazy story.
The Why Files
Completely agree. Before DDT was banned, Malaria was almost eliminated. Now it kills more people every year than anything else. But it kills poor, African people. Maybe that's the point?
Jeff Wallace
Wow!!! I'm sad and angry and yes, totally freaked out. So glad you have the stones to talk about this, Thank you
Bosco Lemonzit
I’ve always been disgusted with the way the western world treats Africa as a petri dish for medical experiments
The Why Files
Completely agree. Before DDT was banned, Malaria was almost eliminated. Now it kills more people every year than anything else. But it kills poor, African people. Maybe that's the point?
The Why Files
The story disappeared. And it's a weird one. He was fully clothed in a nice summer outfit. But he washed up in the middle of a New York winter and hadn't been dead that long. Fell off a boat? I don't know.
The Why Files
Thanks, Kaz. I don't know if politicians would enjoy our show!
Bosco Lemonzit
anyone remember the song Bring Back Leroy Brown by Queen? I have for years been singing 'bring back, bring back, bring back back DDT'. we really need to say sorry to the eagles and condors for a couple of years and spray and fog the entire country with DDT again to kill all these nasty bugs, besides, condors and eagles die at a high rate today from flying into windmills and nobody says squat about that. so yea, lets bring back DDT and wipe out west nile, Lyme malaria, and whatever else they carry.
Donovan Young
Excellent feature. I don’t know if I’m crazy — was it ever covered — what was up with the human washing up on shore in this?
Woods Custom Guns
Was the first newspaper with the Nazi scientists from Marvel?
The Why Files
Could be a good story. We could talk about Hart Island, too.
The Why Files
This made me itchy, too!
The Why Files
The Montauk Monster was most likely a raccoon.
Kazren
This was a Wow episode. I knew some of this, but you brought so much more to light for me. I hope thousands watch this! I hope some of our congresspeople watch it too. Great job, AJ and team.
The Why Files
I hope you're having a better week, Paul!
The Why Files
It opened in Manhattan, KS in June. 😕
CJ Jones
It is - and the video and coffee in my Sheeple mug helped ;)
The Why Files
I hope your week is doing better, CJ!
The Why Files
Yep. Is that close to you?? Yikes.
The Why Files
I was itchy editing this one. Seriously. I do not do well with bugs.
The Why Files
Thanks Luke. Now let's get back inside Mel's Hole.
The Why Files
I wonder when their last leak was.
Nikki G_0
Holy mackerel, that was a great, yet disturbing episode. 😳 And now I feel really itchy for some reason. 😆
Brad Moran
So, what were the strange creatures that washed up?
The Why Files
Terrifying
The Why Files
Manhattan. It's already there: https://www.usda.gov/nbaf
Mark william lane
City Island in the Bronx New York was where I used to keep and sail my S2 boat and also where I first learned to sail at New York Sailing Center. The Island has a storied history with Americas Cup races that went on for over a hundred years. The first was “Magic” a 12 meter sailing cup winner and defender. The last was Freedom I believe and in the early nineteen eighties when City Island no longer had any affiliation with the Cup races the U.S. lost the cup and it would seem the Magic ended to. Anyway, while playing in the waters of that lovely place I learned of the lobsterman’s wars over grounds for harvesting the crustaceans , a lucrative business. In those years a strange thing started to happen to lobsters in the waters surrounding Plum Island and the evidence soon spread all over the Long Island Sound, lobsters were developing terrible shell cancers and many were just put back in the water never to be harvested. This hit the lobsterman pretty hard and had an adverse effect on the industry. Very little attention seemed to be paid by media but everyone on City Island knew the circumstances. I’ve no idea what ever became of the blight as I no longer sail there but for a while “Sammys Fish box”, a local Restaurant was watched by all for signs of the problem. Actually everyone knew a lobsterman or someone who did for the real news of the harvesting. Was the problem an escaped disease or pathogen created or worked on in Plum Island military weapons labs we may never know. . Love your channel AJ so keep up the nice what ever it is your doing as long as you can please. Hey, maybe Hekelfish can do a deep dive on the Island for the first hand fish stories or lobster tails. Lol Happy Days all
Paul Jordan
I love the Why Files. It makes me happy. No matter how bad the week's been, saving TWF for Friday night and watching it with my GF makes it all fine!
Tim Harris
I don’t have an issue with it. I’m watching on my IPhone’s browser. What are yo watching from?
Family BambooClub
Wow, to imagine this facility is practically moving to the center of the mainland U.S. is scary.
CJ Jones
Life has been a bear this week and then I look at my email and see this post! the week just got better!
Tamarah Hood
Well, damn. It opened In June of this year in Manhattan, KS. Level 4 biolab. How freaking nuts.
Tamarah Hood
The government is a reflection of the people in it
Tamarah Hood
Where in Kansas? That's where I live
CF
There are things he can't talk about. He has mentioned it many times. He has also mentioned Covid is one of those things right now. Do you even watch bro?
Bosco Lemonzit
well, between living surrounded on two sides by a corn field (anyone remember Harvest Home) and one side a cemetery, now watched this before bedtime and man the nightmares have been great! my whole skin tingled all night long with imagined bugs crawling all over me
Einstein
Not scared to speak the truth. Try it sometimes
Luke the Duke
Another brutal episode. Chefs kiss.
Jason I S
lmao, TRIGGERED!!
Jason I S
Now this is the only episode to personally scare me! Here in San Antonio we have a disease research facility just miles away from my house!!!
Mik Smith
My God. Just watching was worrying and upsetting. I can't begin to imagine what researching it all was like. What the hell has mankind done?
Jessica Gearhart
Thanks AJ.
Ognito
I swear, life is like 12 Monkeys now.
Susi Su
And Porton Down.
Einstein
These are terrible - but non of them have had the devastation they had on life, death and economy as covid 19. And you brushed that off. Are you scared of or compromised by the Chinese? Or are you one of those who dislikes USA so much that you think calling others bad distracts from that message. As someone who lost his loved ones to Covid, I am disappointed by your dishonesty. Shame on you.. learn some honesty from your fish.
Susi Su
RIP little Boogers.
Susi Su
These are my favourite type of episodes. For some twisted reason I really enjoy hearing about how utterly untrustworthy, and lacking in basic morals, our governments are.
Karl poff
Socaled trail cam footage of werewolf/dogmen
Karl poff
Also ran across a video of so
Karl poff
Got any info on African honey bees?
Karl poff
One of your best ever top of my list, should I forward this to Ted Cruz?
Jeb
Anyone in contact with Gino?
Jeb
Jeb
Simon
For unknown reasons, I've found it quite hard to drink my coffee while watching this episode.
Jeb
Buck Murdock
Jeb
Jeb
Jeb
Gino are you here?
Jackson
Another cracker! Incredibly eye opening indeed. I remember the FnM outbreak in the UK. It still makes farmers tremble with fear. Even to this day, it is standard practise to disinfect boots if you are visiting a variety of cattle farms (former environmental health and department officer). As per usual, the private sector is stringently covered in red tape and safety, yet it seems the government ethos is 'Do as I say, not as I do.'... Just another Tuesday!
G. I. Gurdjieff
Your a freaking hero brother! Don’t ever stop! Tonight’s episode was absolutely perfect. Thanks for all that you do and the risks that you take for this country and this world. Your are loved.
Ian Cain
YES! Every 90 seconds or so I have to refresh. Bummer!
William Matthews
Bat soup is more popular in the US than previously thought, eh?
Liz Barton
Frightening and enlightening all in 30 minutes! I don't trust the government and never will....sad
Joel McCune
Another fantastic episode!!
Mushman
For me the most disturbing episode yet because of my lack of faith in my government and that common sense still exists.
Patti (Pads)
I had a great big, but horrified, laugh when AJ said something like if you're not to terrified, then think about joining our patreon family, 😂 Excellent episode! Something I didn't know much about. Thanks so much AJ, Heckle fish and the whole team for all of the hard work you all do! Lots of Love from Idaho. 🌲🌲🥰 ❤️❣️
George Kuhn
I ALWAYS have issues trying to play WF? eppisodes on the Patreon link. Sometimes it works after several refreshes. Sometimes I have to wait until the next day to see the episode on YouTube. Tried alternate browsers to no avail. The Patreon money was not well spent.
Patti (Pads)
Man... it seems like every country has some form, Right? Scary shi.... err stuff!
John Lancaster
Ticks have always been my most hated insect/animal period. Great episode!
Patti (Pads)
I'm so sorry for the loss of your precious Boogers! RIP It's always so horrible and heartbreaking to lose a member of the family. 😢 Sending Love and Gentle Hugs ❤️🫂
Bonzbeasty
Stay strong Wima! We're WF family!
Jeb
Gino are you here?
Stephanie Ford
Anyone else having issues with the video playing? 😩
Daniel Wasserott
I thought the Kansas facility was a no go when they tried to move it years ago, I guess it was just delayed.
Wilma Titzgreaux
Thank you! That means more to me than you could ever possibly know!!!❤️
Bonzbeasty
If you go to thewhyfiles.com and you can post a pic on #inthewild. Losing our animal brothers and sisters is devastating. Boogers was lucky to have you, and I'm so sorry my friend💙
Steven Shi
OMG! I haven't even finished watching the episode yet I am already starting to worry about the future of the show and the safety of the crew. Man! With what's been going on recently, stay vigilant, AJ and the crew! What a job though! I salute all of you!
pheobekate
Absolutely terrifying!!! How many of these facilities are there!? What else is going on?
Trish Edwards
WOAH! Ticks. Stressful and excellent episode!
Bonzbeasty
Reminds me of the Hounds of Baskerville
Bosco Lemonzit
Now I want to take a shower before I go to bed
Bosco Lemonzit
Anyone else watching this feeling like bugs are crawling on you?
Carla Di Paola
Exactly!!!
Alexander 🦊
This could make for a scary movie.
Andrew Ellis
We in the uk have Gruinard Island, ‘anthrax island’
Linsey And Rob Clarke
So what was the montauk and Manhattan monsters??
Phoenix VanDaele
Glad you reported the facts I skipped the last one...I heard things here
Carla Di Paola
Very scary!!!!
Jane Harper
Combine germ warfare research with the live gene editing potential of CRSPR (Nobel prize winner CRISPR) and it’s a whole new world.
Shawn Grant
That was one hell of a doosie! I vaguely knew of Plum island and the lyme disease controversy but WHOAH.
Colin Butterworth
I hate ticks. Great episode, but bloody hell.
Amy_OnlyForHecklefish
Oh, damn. This is such an important episode. Thank you, AJ and WF team. People need to know that the government and unelected officials have been, and are, very capable of experimenting on humans. Pure evil. It's vital people wake up and really look at what's going on. Those of us who have clearly seen the truth of the events these last few years are beyond horrified. As always, Hecklefish points out the obvious. Lol! Maybe on the podcast you can someday investigate the depopulation conspiracy....just curious…I’d love to hear the truth. 😊
Wilma Titzgreaux
Does anyone know the email address to the WF team? Gotta send in my picture of Boogers (RIP😭) and my Hecklefish plushie.
Wilma Titzgreaux
Joining patreon……single best decision I’ve made in such a long time!!!! Thank you AJ and team! Love you guys!!!
matthew wyatt
How often do you get sick?
Angelina Lemon
Awesome episode, you never disappoint.
Steve Mc Lean
Good one A.J. And crew. Cheers!
Andrew Ellis
Hi AJ who’s your favourite doctor, I think Tom baker is no 1
Pete Mitchell
Does this sound like the beginning of Steven King's 'The Stand', or is it just me? Thanks for giving me the willies guys! Keep up the great work 😊
Dave Dolle
Well......Not gonna sleep tonight.
Craig Anderson
Excellent 😁
Blackout
Same!! Let's goooo!!
Blackout
Ah theh...ah theh...lizaahd peeple?
Anna S
Plum Island is always an interesting topic to me. I had the unfortunate luck of getting Lyme Disease as a child back in the 90s. Plum Island is where Lyme is suspected to have originated from.
Jon Wright
One of my favorite DeMille books. Glad you did this!
AirplaneWilly
Yo yo yo. That’s literally all I got.
MikeD
A great topic.
Osiris Ledbetter
Leeehhssgooooo!
Kasey Erin
I'm so excited for this one!
Wilma Titzgreaux
Wooooohoooo!!!!