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Early Access Video & Update

🕑 Added 2017-02-20 00:55:04 +0000 UTC
Early Access Video & Update

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Ian Danskin

As I say, if you are confident that engaging may accomplish something and will definitely put no one at risk, then go for it. It seems that the rubric for whether or not you can get through to someone is if you are either a person they see as an equal or a person with some kind of authority over them that they respect. Even then, though, it takes many, many points of contact to bring a person around, and your interaction may be an important component in changing their mind, but the actual change of mind may still be a long way off.

Michael

(I thought I wrote a good comment yesterday, but it's not here today. I had a small critique that the gist of it was: all of these "isms" are probably red herrings for the most part; masking attention seeking behavior.) (Sucks when you take the time to write something heartfelt and a website makes it completely disappear. Here today, gone tomorrow.)

But if the serial harassers (the ones who are likely to hack emails) and the Angry Jacks are different groups of people, shouldn't it still be fine to engage with Angry Jack? Is it okay to engage proto-Jacks? Is it okay to engage as long as you are at least acquainted with the person you're engaging, like on Facebook? This is where I usually bother challenging people. I believe that many people are ready to engage you in good faith even if they hold questionable opinions. Should you still not engage even if you have reason to expect a good faith discussion? By the way, I'm thrilled you're making a video on the alt-right. I'm really looking forward to it a lot!

Very excited for this series. I've been showing friends "Why Are You so Angry?" because I feel like there is so much crossover between the ALt-Rights rise to prominence and Angry Jacks. So glad you are working on something that is more overtly commenting on the current political climate.

Xingcat

Very good video! It's a little bit scary to hear your take on this, because there were strategies and logical explanations to the Gamergate videos, and this brand of hatefulness is still largely unknown and unknowable on a logical level.

Carla Hoffman

Thank you for bringing focus to the idea of talking against their issues, not directly against the people using those issues. It's very hard for the audience of the alt-right to speak for racism, but it does feel empowering to speak for a racist person with the usual and completely incorrectly used 1st amendment defense. It's maybe why a lot of discussion starts "I'm not a racist, but..."; it's a way to dodge the statement itself and bolster the individual behind it.

Ian Danskin

Yeah, that's one of the lines I want to rephrase. Trying to say that the Alt-Right are basically all Trump supporters, but not all Trump supporters are Alt-Rights.

Robert Griffith

Uh... I'm 100% positive there are A LOT of Trump supporters who are not alt-right and actually hate that movement (I'm related to a few)... but I will agree that it seems the alt-right as a whole loves that man, and the fact that Trump has put Steve Bannon in such a high seat of power is extremely worrying. I will be interested to see where this video series leads!

Josafat Guerrero Jordan

Great preview. I hope when you publish it more patreons come in support and you will have more time to produce this content, which in my opinion is crucial going forward. I think the situation we are in is more dire than we'd like to admit. The trolls have figured out a very effective strategy for spreading misinformation and making productive discussions impossible. I believe we need a solid opposition core to which our less informed peers can coalesce and give strength to. We need to get our allies involved, not to attack but to get our discussion going. My humble suggestion would be that you be a guest with other feminist YouTubers, so that connections start to be formed and we, the audience, can discover more sources of information. Finally, thanks for your work and dedication. We really appreciate it.

Ian Danskin

I THINK it should be OK, since this is directed at my audience and not at the alt-right, but I may doublecheck with them before it goes public to be sure.

Ian Danskin

That's the one I caught! It's already fixed in the project file. :)

gomollusk

"Trying to publicly disagree with someone may cause hell for third parties who have nothing to do with me." In that case, is it wise to include their twitter pictures/names? I don't think anyone with angry-jack like inclinations doesn't know Zoe Quinn's twitter handle and I'm sure Lindsey Ellis' mentions are no cakewalk either but all the same maybe blot out the names but keep the conversation??? I don't know.

Xianhang Zhang

"Fiercely Anti-Itellectual", while it did give me a giggle at the irony, should probably be corrected in the final version :).

Excellent stuff. Can't wait for more!

Jacob Geller

Very excited for this new series. We're (or, at least I'm) not just in it for the games.


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