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45. The Ritual's End

🕑 Added 2025-02-14 14:05:02 +0000 UTC

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OverXelous

Hey!! I'll start by saying thanks so much for the comment and the feedback. I really apprecaite you leaving it in a way that's easy to understand and not rude :) Second, before I address your points, I just wanted to say it made me chuckle when you said " I usually heavily dislike system novels, and especially system integration/apocalyptic novels" only becuase that's sort of my story on the nose. At least if you're considering genre. I do try to actually go a bit lighter on the System heavy side, and yes the duality between unstructured and structured magic will play a huge role in the series plot. You have a lot of great points here. The two that jump out to me the most are: MC ignoring inherent injustice of the System and that losing gains like this make most others feel trivial or like they, too, could be taken away. 1. MC/System Injustice. I can see what you're saying here, and I do plan for there to be a sort of any System faction on Earth, but it will ultimately just fail, as if they kill anything with a System, they then awaken. So, they all end up with a System anyway. But my main goal in this scene was to give the reader a view of what the gods have going on and their differing view on things, hint that they're gaining something from people with the System, and steer away from one of my personally least favorite tropes. It seems crazy to me in litRPG when a person who has had magic and the System for a matter of months somehow meetes and stands up to a good. Or impresses them in anyway? They likel yhave seen trillions of human lives, countless races, and countless young geniuses. Do we really think that ALEX impresses them to the point tha thtey don't just kill him by swiping their hand? Also, I wanted him to lose knowledge of this because I don't think someone's mortal pysche stays intact trhough something like this and I don't want ot escalate the power scope for Alex and the novel to a galactic scale yet. It's just way beyond where they are. 2. Skills and what not being trivial and able to be taken away. Yeah, that is unfortunately something that was meant to be shown here and does show up later. As you've guessed at the end of your comment, we do begin to push back against what "can" be stolen from us. There are parts of the System that cannot be taken away, but I won't get into that here, just becuase its revealed in parts of the plot. But yeah... the gods are in charge of the System and the System can absolutely yoink away things like skill and titles. That doesn't feel great, but I don't think it's really meant to. Now, that being said, the System has absolutely nothing against people growing really strong, and even creating pretty broken builds and synergies as you go up in the Ranks. However, if Alex has a potential combo to gain Master Rank Ritual Schematics after the integration going on for less than a year, and he could do it on repeat, it would likely do things to the worlds progress that would trivialize a lot of the integration, thereby stagnating the entire world's growth as they rely on one man or this one kind of magic. I envision master level rituals breezing through anything below B Rank, giving earth time to create new technology and perhaps even integrate rituals into it, virtually winning the integration without growing very powerful in the System sense. Maybe I could put some more of that in this chapter so that others understand the logic, but this just would literally break the entire integration, not just make Alex strong. So there is like a 1 instance in a few hundred planetary integrations where the System needs to step in and that anyone would ever lose anything due to the system. Alex just happens to have found a synergy like that. Again, thanks for the comment! I love talking about tthis stuff and the feedback was very honest and helpful. Hope you continue to enjoy the story.

OverXelous

This is fair feedback, and am likely going to rework what he gets to keep by the time this hits Royal Road in two weeks. Small spoiler below, I'll put it in the last paragraph of the comment so you don't accidnetally read it if you want to skip it. I can agree he should probably get to keep at least one or two of the titles. He keeps the levels that he gets for himself and for the skill, but he does lose the knowledge. Liek you mentioned, he could definitely keep knowledge of what's "acceptable" though in a way he already does that. See spoiler below. Now, just wnated to say thanks for the feedback and being kind about it :) I appreciate the input and just from the comments that are here, I can tell that something should likely change. SPOILER: Alex actually already still has knowledge of the ritual still, even though it was "taken from his mind" he still was drawing each increasing iteration of the ritual on paper. Of course, this stopped in the later half when he was barely holding on to the magic, but he'd sitll have at least journeyman level drawings of the mana siphoning ritual. He does actually use this later in the book! But, that was just me trying to be clever... it might be worth it to have him just retain the knowledge and allow readers to feel a bit better about what he gained.

zetorian

So, I dont often give critical feedback for stories because I understand how difficult this sort of periodical writing is. I want to preface this with two things. First I'd like to thank you for the enjoyable story so far, I've had a good time with it. Second, this is going to be long winded and a bit rambly, so sorry for that. Ok, so, the initial thing I want to note is that I usually heavily dislike system novels, and especially system integration/apocalyptic novels. The reason for that, is they often have this super fluffy view of 'game-ifying' everything that makes if feel super cheap. You've managed to pretty handily dodge this so far by making skills and practice as important as [Skills] and [Stats]. The other thing that often really really bothers me about system 'apocalypse' stories, is the main cast manages to somehow dodge the whole very normal human emotion of being mad at the Apocalypse! I mean, there are very commonly stories where shit loads of people die, and the MC just ignores the inherent injustice in invading a world in such a manner and continues to support the system wholeheartedly because of super fun magic time. That can be very frustrating, and I've felt a bit like Alex is trending that way at least until this chapter. He's been so caught up in magic experimentation and growth he's completely failed to consider that someone with intention started a process that has killed untold numbers in rift breaks. God or no, thats shitty and deserving of hatred. As for this chapter specifically, there were a few frustrating aspects. I think its important to note that violation of mental sanctity is troubling for a lot of people, and thats probably playing into some of the hate here. Additionally, most system novels treat levels and skills as a sort of immutable measure of growth. Often to the extremity of making it impossible to loose stats for physical fitness by acting unhealthily. You've walked back on that here. I think thats ok, but coupled with the introduction of uncaring gods governing the rifts and the system itself to some extent, that leaves a fairly massive plot issue for a progression fantasy imo. The hole in question being, how in the hell can Alex progress if both his knowledge and his [Skills] can be literally ripped out of him if he goes too far or pisses off some higher entity? I think thats at the core of why this chapter makes things frustrating for me. I'm here to read a progression fantasy, we have had weeks of buildup to the MC getting further in his progression, and then he gets a slap to the face instead and we as the audience get undeniable proof that progression inside the system with levels and such is ultimately futile and possibly entirely worthless. While that is a lot of negativity, I dont think these sorts of reveals are all bad. Frustrating chapters are the makings of fantastic stories. What you've done here, is neatly step outside of the rut a lot of sys-apoc prog fantasy follows. Its a risk, sure, but I think I can see some of the threads you're laying down. Alex has a trait called 'primordial will' from a 'god' nobody knows about. The people of Tianloa also used magic without system assistance. I think ( I hope ) that means that we'll eventually learn that there were ( are ) other forms of power before the system's regimented structure, and that our protag group will start pursuing non-system enumerated power to ensure it doesn't get ripped away from them the next time they step out of line. Thanks again for the chapter, and the story. You're doing great, I hope you let yourself keep having fun with it and don't stress too much about the little bumps along the way.

Rhyu

I personally don't have an issue with him losing the skill. I can see the intent in removing the potential busted skill combo that destroys balance and Alex having to put any real effort in to progress. Plus likely also motivates him to switch things up with his class. That said I feel the execution is a bit heavy handed. I feel you could soften the impact slightly by making it feel more"fair" which would help smooth over alot of impending reader complaints. For example we've been told the main issues are 1) Alex has knowledge at a level beyond the current integration and 2) we don't want a repeat. The ritual skill needs to go to satisfy 2. Advanced knowledge (and Gods) needs to go for 1. However completely wiping his gains here aren't necessary and arguably go against the programming to encourage growth, which makes the scenario feel more..wrong. It would be reasonable to allow Alex to retain up to initiate level knowledge of the rune, or even just novice which shouldn't impact story progression. Likewise you could allow him one of the titles, particularly any that are "integration appropriate" or an alternate consolation title, especially if it just provides stats. We've already established stats are really small potatoes in reality, and that will only become more true as he progresses. The issue I imagine for most readers is that even if the item he got will ultimately provide him greater potential than what he lost, the system is still trading current, earned, power for potential that he has to still re- earn. Just some ideas. I'm sure you'll never be able to avoid some complaints for power loss, but it might help to lessen the blow with what are effectively plot negligible consolation prizes.


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