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Irwin's Journey 400: No sleeping in

🕑 Added 2025-03-22 21:04:05 +0000 UTC

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Not Me

So in chapter 346, there's these couple paragraphs at the end where Lasther shows up for a second just to cackle and spook us out. It works fine in a serial format, wouldn't hate it as a last-second scene in a TV show to get us hyped for the next episode. But collected into a book, it's probably something that doesn't need to exist as a separate viewpoint unless this is literally the ending of the whole book.

Not Me

That's a good question, I guess I'll take a look at the factors that I see. One thing we have yet to see is how parenting factors in. Scintilla is the primary parent, but her largest exposure to parenting is probably her mom, whose example she probably wants to diverge from. How she parents her children may be in part a reaction to the way she was brought up - she'll try to be the opposite of whatever parts of her mom she found objectionable, while perhaps unconsciously mimicking the rest of that parenting style when she's not deliberately trying otherwise. If she has any traumas here, she'll probably be imprinting a little of it on her kids. Irwin, on the other hand, probably has a pretty good base in that he understands what an absent father does to a family, and has a good relationship with his own mother. Getting a grandma in the picture would actually be very helpful, if Irwin gives her the strength, speed, and stamina to keep up with his children. Glow seems like a pretty prime candidate to get hit by adoptee shock once he realizes what an adoptee is, but Scintilla seems to have socialized him pretty well, so I don't see that breaking him or anything. He's fairly mature among the group, and was pretty independent even before being coalesced. I wouldn't be surprised if his response to missing a parent for an extended period of time is to become even more independent, perhaps striking out on his own, finding his own friends, making sure that his dad is a smaller share of his world, even if he's still a large part of it. I wouldn't be too surprised if Mia became a bit of a take-without-asking person if she didn't receive enough discipline and/or parental attention from her single parent - perhaps even a cause-trouble-to-recieve-parental-attention kid. There's only so much attention Scintilla has to give and clearly not enough to stop Mia from acting on her impulses. There's ways in which this can be a less than negative trait - someone who takes freely, asks favors of everyone, pushes boundaries, but also is freely willing to donate their resources, time, and effort, and accepts boundary-drawing and pushback without much fuss. A sort of big-friendship person, who asks everything of everyone and is willing to give everything if asked. I could see her developing somewhat sheltered viewpoint of how much things cost, but holding a high value in having personal relationships with people.

Antony Claughton

They already seem to be splitting adventurous versus stay at home, so that is some guidelines. To be honest, other than Zan I get them all a bit mixed up.

Antony Claughton

I don’t really mind segues into other characters. I don’t think for publication they necessarily need to be grouped. However, the cast list from previous chapters would be good. And possibly for publication flesh out some of these bits, or include more segues. After all, would these be the only two chapters on the kids in this entire book?

Eric M

So the fight was 288-289, he finished the spear card in 289, before anyone had slotted the card, Am'braz pointed out that Basil's heartcard was close to shattering due to chanelling all the soulforce the chaos whale provided. If he has a heartcard, he can't be the one to slot the spear, and I swear somewhere in there it should mention who actually got the spear card (but it's been a long-time since I read those chapters, just skimmed thru them now). Likewise, Am'braz does mention it would need to be slotted by someone who had compatible cards, and Basil was lighting, where the spear was fire, and Basil already had a sword card I believe. Your story, you do what you want, but just pointing out the inconsistencies so you can decide if you want to adjust anything. 😁 Found it, it is in Ch 290, the name of the person who got the spear card was Rohmin. I agree Basil was the one who bonded with Scariander though, so perhaps Irwin made him a card that would help him channel the power after the original fight? Maybe that was covered in the section where he fixed Basil's cards, but I don't recall.

Carrarn

Great questions, and thanks for sharing! Although I've got a good idea for how the story will progress, your questions did bring up a few things I need to think about some more. Luckily I'm not going to need it yet - but still, thanks for sharing! Also, one of the great things of having this many children, all with rather different mentalities (well a few are similar, but not all) means I can show different reactions from different view points. So - based on all this- to those reading this, how do you think the different kids, based on the little we have seen so far, should react? I have my own list already, but if you guys / girls put up some good points I might change my mind on some of them and incorporate other options.

Carrarn

That's an interesting bit of advice there- to not have as much fragmentation. Right now only books 1 and 2 are printed, which doesn't even see them to Fiverio yet. That means, most of the real fragmentation wouldn't happen for another few books, probably book 4 earliest. Do you recall some of these 'fragmentations' or sidesteps from other POV where you thought they didn't work for you? (pressed enter to soon there)

Carrarn

Fixed both! :)

Carrarn

Also correct, like said above, it seems I had a bit of a brainfart while writing this chapter - mixed up few things. Fixed it, thanks for pointing it out!!

Carrarn

You are correct, I had a brainfart and mixed up Nim'dor and Hou'dor. However, it defenitly is Basil that has bonded to Scariander. I'll see if I can find the chapters where that happened later.

Not Me

Thanks for the chapter! It's nice to get a look back at how Irwin's kids are developing. Their parent-child relations might be tested, though. He's not been present for most of their infancy, and while he was present for their early childhood, they're now doing a lot of moving around and he's not there to help them through it. Irwin has been a bit absent out of necessity, and perhaps once they become rational adults, his kids will be able to logically process it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it feels like he's abandoned them a bit, like a traveling parent who goes on lots of business trips or military deployments or prison stints or whatnot. And kind of like military kids, they've had to uproot themselves a couple times already - first from Igniz, then from Mudball, then to the Sonata, and presumably are going to do so again to settle down. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the next adaptation causes some sort of strife or at least leaves a mark on them, either making them detach from the idea of ever settling permanently, or cling to the idea of their next home so strongly that they never want to leave, or perhaps even want to go on a pilgrimage to their ancestral homeland. If the Sonata ever gets taken out of commission in a recoverable place, I would not be surprised if the kids wanted to retrieve it and integrate it into their next house. I also find it interesting to see how they're testing boundaries, testing their mother and caretakers, and being general child menaces. How will those behaviors play out in a more settled situation, where the people around them are squishy uncarded and more regular carded children who don't happen to have a high-rank physical boost card? How will they behave around adults who expect more respect and deference (e.g. Trimdir) rather than the long leash that the Sonata's crew is giving them? What happens when they learn they have just as much social power as they do physical power? Irwin being their dad is the ultimate "my dad can beat your dad" on Eluathar, but he also wields a massive amount of social influence. He's a close personal friend of one of the lords (Daubutim), the head of the smithing academy, the individual who personally forged many individuals' best cards or heartcards, and one of probably 3 people on the planet who met Gelwin in person to evacuate the planet. They would effectively be princes and princesses of the new world; Any adult who disciplines Irwin's children too hard will have Irwin to deal with, and the common folk would probably be walking on eggshells to avoid upsetting them. Even if they are ultimately good people, I could see some of them start to become entitled or at least have a bit of a sheltered upbringing, maybe making remarks in the vein of "why didn't your parents just get a better card/kill all the invaders/ask Uncle Greldo to make the problem go away".

Not Me

In a printed version, there should probably be an appendix that has a cast list. I think with these as a 1-chapter-a-week serial, splitting things up works just fine within the flow of the chapter. Since we're waiting a week between some chapters and can't just keep going on, the little check-ins have a lot of room to breathe. But if you're going to print these as a book, there should be less fragmentation - sections that return to other remote characters' viewpoints should be the length of several chapters, not any less than a single chapter and definitely not couple-paragraph stingers. Unless the simultaneous passage of time is an important theme you want to convey, specifically contrasting Irwin's happenings at any given moment with his children's happenings, you can afford to give them more uninterrupted space.

Antony Claughton

Agreed. If they do kill the Occulithar, they’ll need to decide whether to come back for the dead chaos whales’ cards. Very morbid, but those are INCREDIBLY valuable.

Antony Claughton

Soot tried to, but he almost fell down, and Soot did it, then left. ==> rewrite second half? Each had dealt with it in another way.  ==> Each had dealt with it in a different way.  As she began reasoning her cards ==> something other than reasoning? Sorting, reviewing? daughter, not sure if she scolded her or not ==> daughter, not sure if she should scold her or not Also, when as author you refer to the kids, should you use their full names? It depends where you’re going with that element of the story.

Eric M

Also, wasn't Hou'dor the Ganvil that stayed with Trimdir on Eluathar? And would it be Basil with Scariander, didn't the first fight nearly kill him, and the channelling weapon went to a different warrior so wouldn't that be who teamed with Scariander going forward?

Venson Mascarenhas

One correction: the ship they are travelling in is the Concerto not Sonata.

Eric M

Edit: "Soot tried to, but he almost fell down, and Soot did it, then left." - too many Soots, think one of the other kids was meant for the first or second. Edit: Scintilla's hair stood on end, and she closed her eyes, trying not to imagine one or more of her children falling from The Sonata and into the storm below - the Sonata is gone, they are on the Concerto - the Sonata appears multiple times in the chapter

Nicholas Del Rossi

Really liked this chapter, but hard to keep track of the who’s who’s with how long it’s been sense seeing some of these characters but otherwise great, I feel like our guardian chaos whale and tiny friend are going to do great and Terrible things to that poor many eyed fiend, or at least I hope. The alternative would be a last stand/distraction to hold off big and fiendish and help the ship escape.

Rielgesh

It flows quite well to me. We've seen a quite long stretch of Irwin and Rindiri, so it feels nice to see what's going on with Scintilla and Basil. Having the Basil section gives a nice build that help is on the way and the Sonata only needs to hold out.

Carrarn

True - its supposed to be based on what Irwin told her, but I agree that it does read somewhat odd. I'll give it another go tomorrow. Gotta sleep now :)

Tarrim

Scintilla wondered if Irwin had somehow captured some of Daubutim's heat to transfer to their little daughter. Strange thought IMO since I don't believe they have ever meet.

Carrarn

A quick question - I was not sure if I should split this one up and add some snippets of Irwin's journey, or do so in the next one. For now I went with what felt best and put all of this in one (another 5k btw - so thats already 10k this weekend O_o) - Do you think I should split this up when I edit it in book form, or does this flow well?


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