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Irwin's Journey 380: Large scale testing

🕑 Added 2025-02-02 18:29:28 +0000 UTC

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Josh McDonnell

No bonus chapter sad

Albert Benny Oliyakkattil

Tftc! Vile -> while

Not Me

If you want more near-homonyms, "viol" is an instrument, which would have nonzero synergy with some of Irwin's musical cards.

Not Me

If Scour is 2000x-3000x time dilation, that lets you fit a year into the space of about a week. Driseog could have gotten a century ahead of Irwin if he stayed in Scour for a couple of realtime years, even considering that Irwin spent some time in mildly faster zones himself. Frankly, I'm surprised he only stayed long enough to get to 15 years in his own subjective time, considering that the threat to smiths was ongoing when Irwin left Scour, and thus it would be risky to leave a stronghold just a few realtime weeks into what seemed to be a very ongoing problem. Driseog surely had the lifespan and business on Scour to wait many more years. Peeking back at older chapters, I wonder if Irwin's charter affiliation with Tensor and/or 10 year work debt will boomerang back into play, or if the serf system is at play in this city.

Not Me

Oh yeah, totally. One of the major themes of this entire story is how the protagonist exceeds expectations, and we've gotten our low expectations in this chapter, so we're pointed pretty squarely at that theme again. And I think the comment about them being better together is interesting. Like, how would you prove a counterfactual, that if the two were apart, they'd be better? Because the real perception-buster is not just proving that he's more skilled than people expect, but showing in no unclear terms that they're better because they've been together, even while they're apart.

Eric M

Just my two cents here to an interesting conversation. Am'braz is at the very top end of all Ganvils as far as training, potential, etc. Irwin was also at the very top end as far as potential when the two met (even if it wasn't known at the time). They have pushed each other until we have Am'braz breaking all the rules as far as advancement speed, the number of skills he is able to unlock, etc. and Irwin's advancement might be even more ridiculous with the growth in his skills, soul space, etc. Either one on their own would have been exceptional, but the two combined have reached stages that even a smith guildmaster might never imagine. I expect she will be duly impressed by Irwin, even with Irwin not using all his tricks and tools, and without Am'braz there to back him up. With Am'braz and him pulling out all the stops, I think she may have to reassess her opinion of Ganvils.

Not Me

Alternatively, it could be poisoned by the fact that a lot of the students probably died in the meantime, leaving behind bitter or sad Ganvils who have a lot of time left to influence our 1000-year-old's perception of what Ganvils are like. And grieving widows and widowers are hardly a fair representation of any community. I'd imagine that since they're similarly long-lived, they could nurse a grudge just as well. If Mazzareth somehow alienated influential Ganvil(s) when they were at their lowest, or committed some sort of doctrinal heresy hundreds of years ago (maybe during their 2nd or 3rd puberty or something) they would have centuries to poison the whole Ganvil community against her. 1000 years is also a lot of time for something to change. Just 500 years ago, there was a Protestant reformation in the real world, about 250 years ago, there were new revolutionary governments without monarchs. Mazzareth could be an old-guard part of a faction that advocated independence from Ganvils in the way that people wanted independence from monarchs or the Catholic church or whatever. Or the Ganvils themselves could have reorganized and changed their methods, and Mazzareth's concerns might actually just be wildly outdated.

Not Me

I'd imagine that a 1000-year-old would have a response based very deeply in past experience, even accounting for the number of outliers someone stationed in a populous trade city might meet. Said millenarian would probably have enough breadth of experience to understand that outliers exist, and perhaps enough enough to know how frequent they are on an experiential basis. But bad experiences have a way of sticking with people more than good ones do, even if they come in equal numbers, so it wouldn't be surprising if she met too many Ganvils that were a bit snooty, secretive, and superior like early-installment Ambraz, without the talent or actual knowledge to back up their position. The sort of ones that would withhold information not just because the plot was still in development, but because they wanted to maintain an unequal relationship with their smith, or because they genuinely didn't have that information and didn't want to demonstrate a lack of understanding. I think the 1000-year-old might also be meaningfully older and/or possess more worldly experience than some of the Ganvils in question, so it might be like a professor or team lead talking down a student or younger coworker who thinks they have the world figured out, when it's clear that they don't. And since they're over 1000 and exist in high contact with these sorts of people, this could be an set of ongoing interactions for centuries. She could have enough experience with the whole teaching process to see where everyone is going wrong (at least in her eyes), over and over again.

Antony Claughton

How is the guy travelling through the storm though?

Antony Claughton

The Ganvils do provide an advantage when smithing, but Ambraz at least certainly also provides insights and guidance. So part of the boost is contingent on the Ganvil, but it likely also improves a smith compared to where they’d otherwise be. Totally fair to test the smiths without them though.

Dao of Fried Foods

That's actually hilarious. 1 guy following irwin all over the place and everywhere he goes, he gets hired, over and over again to follow the shifty smith. It would be even funnier if the ride together on the same ship. Greldo totally needs to get in on this action!

Dao of Fried Foods

Shes actually probably right. Ganvis probably increase the average tier of a smith by at least 1 tier. It'd be like sports doping or any other similar comparison. The "best" smiths achieve the same results without a crutch. The average 'ruby-ranked' (bonded) smith is probably on par with an amethyst smith in a test like this, and yet they doubtlessly do not act like it.

Robert Reilly

You have a good point. They would obviously have a very reasonable basis for their high opinion of themselves… and in all fairness a LOT of things with Irwin are so outside of the norm that he can’t be judged fairly without him revealing important secrets. He IS suspicious. And by his tame reaction to their mistrust is an indication he knows this as well and accepts it. As an avid fan of Irwin it’s sometimes hard for me to separate what I want to happen with what should naturally happen🤦‍♂️

Carrarn

You peeked my curiosity, :) how do you think a 1000 year old smithing master should have acted/responded to come across as normal ( not positively or negatively biased)

Antony Claughton

All the techniques provide more information on the cards information and the progress of the forging. Music allows a smith to hear the card, and guide it. Giantism allowed you to see the card in more detail, allowing you to spot disharmony and forging routes. Flames also gives information, and I suspect like music helps guide the forging (heating various parts of the card). Soulforce gives you info and allows you to push the card the way you want it to go. They’re all aids and have their own techniques.

Nicholas Del Rossi

Also, I remember calling the fifth technique coding, but I think the author corrected me when I was asking about it and called it puzzles or painting or something. I went back to try and find it, but I couldn’t find the chapter on and it seems like the site the author had up that he was putting the information on had an issue based on what I read on Discord they’re looking to fix it, but that was discord conversations not an official statement by the author, so I’m not sure exactly where to look for that tidbit but I know what you’re talking about. It just hasn’t had much place in the story yet although I’m pretty sure the giant forge master from Granvox used that method and was only demonstrating the force method, the only diamond drink Smith. We know that uses the force method that I can remember is from that planet with the incredibly high time dilation we met on.

Nicholas Del Rossi

I think the difference lies in how much of it exist’s inside your head, on one end you have tools then you have aids then you have techniques, techniques are entirely based around your mind, they are knowledge and decisions, premeditated and learned, and then applied to the craft, and they can require tools & aid’s but It’s how you use them that makes them a technique, an aid isn’t something you add with your mind, but it aids the force technique, a technique based around using available method’s to increase the force behind your forging, this can including tools and aids like growing in size.

Dao of Fried Foods

Card readers are only being used for the low rank tests. Irwin's test will be conducted by a certified smith, likely the GM. Based on the way they are conducting each round, it sounds like irwin might be the only ruby smith still in at that time. It will be fairly obvious if he succeeded or failed. Also, i need him to cram a soul card's worth of energy into one of those cards and freak the hell out when he realizes he doesn't have any place to put it. Big boom for that one guy. Make Bhoom proud.

Robert Reilly

I REALLY don’t like Mazzareth and Joulin the guildmistress also annoys me with their arrogance towards Irwin and Ambraz! God I can’t wait till he slaps his phenomenal results in their stupid faces

Antony Claughton

Aren't they all 'aids', these methods? Its not like Irwin was originally using any of them. The ones I remember are music, giantism, fire and soulforce. But I thought there were five... Even if there is more output, he should be able to insist that the test conform to his needs. Just because he's bigger than anyone's experienced before shouldn't limit him!! :)

Antony Claughton

It could be that third card, the vertical walking. Irwin noticed something up with it but he hasn't yet looked at it closely (or we haven't been told the results).

Josh McDonnell

They control the card readers so it would be easy to just till people a fake report on the cards

Eric M

That last comment by Mazzareth when she was talking to Joulihn makes it sound like they are rigging it so Irwin succeeds, maybe a card with the hidden subtype inspired or something similar? If that is true I hope he takes all three cards to Diamond, to show he didn't need help and he is in fact the real deal.

Eric M

He could always switch it up once the prelims are out of the way.

Josh McDonnell

No this is diffent ship then sonata. The sonata left to demistra and concerto headed home. Then afterword the concento left again to agnize world and irwin had to fight to leave agnize. The concento and a agnize ship I think was owned by scintilla mother tricia left together. So we have sonata concecto and the agnize ship.

Antony Claughton

Rindiri had the Sonata to get her people, and escaped with it and the dead pact mercenaries’ ship during the battle. The sonata was being tracked, but they left it behind because it was damaged or slow. Lasther’s shadow automation tracker then stayed with the Sonata because it didn’t have any other orders.

Caleb Kerei

Greatest characterization for a species ever, gardening is a part of the dating rituals, laughed so hard.

Nicholas Del Rossi

so we have vile as in vile creature's, vail/veil, a shroud to conceal or piece of clothing, vine's due to being in a Viridian settlement, or vile as in unpleasant/evil.

Nicholas Del Rossi

if i am remembering right, Irwin gave it to his second so she could find her people and bring them to Eluther there new home world, but it was lost during the battle with Lesther, they changed ships to the one that was sunk in the storm when a group or dead mercs got into a battle with the invading slave's of the guider, i can't remember the finer details but i am pretty sure that's around when they changed ships. note this was the first fight with Lesther before i think we even got his name, and is where The Father who's name i can't remember lost 3 of his limb's and all but Irwins second (who's name i can't remember how to spell, i am bad with name's,) crew, managed to escape with some smith's and then fled into the after changing chip's.

Nicholas Del Rossi

i remember the barrel and the yuurindi bit, but i can't remember who placed a rune on the ship, which lord at which port escape's me, they have had so many people tracking them at this point keeping track of them all and who is current is overwhelming my poor head.

Josh McDonnell

Chapter 184 a soft breeze - grado stated that Daubutim figured the time dilation was 4 times.

Nicholas Del Rossi

size was an aid not a full forging technique i think, also Irwin is more then a bit bigger then even most master using that technique if i am remembering his comment about comparing his size to the master who used it back on Granvox, can't be 100% sure without going back to check which i might just do but can't while typing this, also i might be wrong but he can get kind oh overwhelming in terms of soul force and sound when he grow's, at least i am pretty sure both output's increase when he grow's and this audience includes people who probably can't handle that even with some shielding from the more powerful people there. i am not sure about the master smith on the world with the massive time dilation, can't remember how big he got to use the force technique.

Josh McDonnell

No they found the rune and it was stated that most likely tracking any ship with Yuurindi on it

Antony Claughton

I might be remembering wrong. Its been a while. I might do a re-read at some stage and build up the timeline. Roughly.

Antony Claughton

The pirates (or was it mercenaries) I think got dealt with/destroyed. Lasther's rune ended when the Sonata was abandoned. I can't remember the noble, unless your talking Dimentsia, in which case it was the tracker who followed them.

Antony Claughton

Or get good compensation.

Josh McDonnell

Yes but way before a noble in a small port put a tracker on a barrel of supplies to track the ship. I think another time they put a rune on the ship itself or was that time lasther? Also remember the first pirates that used a person who could teleport across branches to track the sonata?

Josh McDonnell

The fifth type to refill soul is when gas giant sends off a plum of chaos energy and it is filtered by the moons atmosphere though extremely rare can fill up your soul lake.

Josh McDonnell

Okay so I am re reading the story and think I missed something. Like 80 chapters ago they left ignize with two ships the concerto and a small escort class ship. They hooked it onto the concerto but it did not have a shield and was hit by a bolt damaging it and it was stated that it would not survive but what happened to it? Was it destroyed? Abandoned?

Antony Claughton

I think he'd head home. Its been a while since he saw the kids, he doesn't have enough cards to get good value from the gas giant (and the chaos whales might not be there/hard to find) and they really need to get Rindiri's people home so they can start breeding! A Yuurindi army with the Galadin's providing smithed cards (assuming they've found a farming site on Eluathor for cards) is probably their only hope of success. They might be planning on picking up more Yuurindi along the way though. They did pack 5 years worth of food!

Josh McDonnell

I am confused because when they first found eluthar it stated it was 4 time dilation then after it became confusing with 3 and then 2 time dilation.

Antony Claughton

As Josh McDonnell said, one tracker at the moment who is representing 3 different factions/individuals.

Antony Claughton

Actually, it was Lasther who was tracking the Sonata.

Antony Claughton

It depends on how many years he added with all that smithing on the gas planet away from the kids/family. If he was technically away for years during that period, he could have added a chunk. Even time spent with the family on the gas planet's moons would have been a chunk, since that is also sped up. He also would have an extra 2.3 years from Scour. Eluathor is also double time. That said, 15 years for the gap between leaving Scour and now does seem big. As it would only include a fraction of the time spent on 'faster-time' planets. What has happened in that period? - time to get from Scour back to smithing planet, tiny. - time spent to find Eluathor? Longer, but not too long as their home planet hadn't collapsed. - some years around Eluathor searching inside and outside it? - travel to find his kids, then to Gravanox, then to Dimsentia, then here. Am I missing any trips in the portal gallery? Is the above really 15 years since Driseog had seen him?

Antony Claughton

I assumed 'a vile' was some type of creature. Carrarn did use 'vile' in several different places, so I assumed the spelling was deliberate.

Antony Claughton

But 'size' was one of the standard approaches to forging that was taught on Granvox. I can't remember all the techniques (music, fire, size, um ...), but one of Irwin's teachers definitely used it. Mazzareth can increase size, so she probably uses that approach. And Blossom's mother was very tall by memory. So, I think it is a common technique. I would think they would have the facilities to cover this.

Josh McDonnell

Only one person is following irwin through its now 1 person hired by 3 groups the lord in diminastra the lord in supflux and then the smith guide. There have been attempts to track the soranta but they changed ships to the consinto split up and then left the soranta in a middle of a storm. So any one now tracking soranta will find it abounded. As for the smith test the prize is for when reaching diamond rank. Form the looks of it reaching that rank is so hard amd difficult that any one reaching it is celebrated. It also gives the diamond smith a lot of political capital because the powerful people in charge need the diamond smith to stay in power.

Eric M

I assumed it was supposed to be vine since that would fit more with the Viridian vibe.

Nicholas Del Rossi

Also are the current plans to head to the time dilation world or home first? I remember Irwin needs to fill his soul lake forging, with the whales or by doing heart cards, Feel like I need a list of all the ways Irwin figured out people or more specifically Irwin can fill a soul lake, Irwin’s first imp eating card, reforging heart cards, forging with the chaos whales, forging chaos whale cards, was there a fifth one? Were these all completely correct or did I make some memory on how they worked, hmmm.

Nicholas Del Rossi

How many people are following Irwin’s group at this point, There is the soul tracker we learned about this chapter, the guider lost them with the death of there leader, the lord of, and I am going to spell this wrong, Dimistrey’s lord who hired the same tracker as the pirates from before, were they Pirates of mercenaries? Galdwin isn’t tracking them as far as I’m aware, Shadow workers are following them around, but I don’t think any of them are currently tracking the group in such a way that they would be able to follow them across the portal gallery, they’re mostly following Greldo, I feel like there should be more? Am I forgetting some groups, the whale killers only followed for a short time before the groups clashed, or well before Irwin’s aura crushed there will to fight, anyone I am missing?

Nicholas Del Rossi

I wonder how the next chapter is going to be shown is gonna be a heavy Irwin perspective, heavy outside perspective even mix or solely one or the other, I’m also wondering how what the foreshadowing on the moisture gathering card means for the next chapter, Irwin won’t slot it or use it for soul force assuming the smiths get to keep the cards they were gifted to forge, and also wondering what they get given if they succeeded, based on the earlier chapter of the guild, master and vice Guild Master talking about the head families offer to fund the successful Smith cards, I think those succeeding up are given a bunch of cards to work with although I can’t remember if that was a thing in the past, maybe it’s something only this head branch does, (Yes, that was a quadruple branch pun,) or maybe it’s just something I forgot being done in the past or that couldn’t be done due to circumstances around whatever we were doing when Irwin reached a new rank.

Lenora

The ship stealing is infuriating. Hoping they take it with them when they go.

Nicholas Del Rossi

Without Ambroz he might not have an anvil big enough, there might also not be enough room where he is the description made it sound like there was room for plenty of Smiths. There wasn’t necessarily a lot of room between the stations, It would also be much more showy during the early stages and could disrupt the other Smiths more than his music already might, none of these reasons 100% wouldn’t stop Irwin from using it, they could all be solved, but these are the reasons that popped into my head while I was thinking about your question.

Adunn

Pretty sure Irwin probably isn’t even 30 yet. Also they’re gonna need to figure out how to deal with Terlo before they make it back.

Stephen Pearson

Thanks for the chapter! :-)

Antony Claughton

Ironically, Irwin should go for broke though he doesn’t know it. Forging an amolite card or named diamond card would possibly make others revise the assumption he got given his cards. If he can forge that level, then there isn’t necessarily some “power” they belong to, it’s just that Irwin is really good. Also, what is a “vile”?

Antony Claughton

It takes the time it takes. Not that waiting until Friday won’t suck!

Antony Claughton

Why wouldn’t Irwin do the forging in his big size? Doesn’t that make forging easier? Not like it’s a secret after the battle in Dimarsinta.

Tetrasimplex

is it meant to be vial instead of vile?

Carrarn

5500 chapter and I still only just reached the start of the testing - that's how it goes sometimes I guess. If I find some time over the week I might do a bonus chapter, but no promises :P


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