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Irwin's Journey 383: The final impression

🕑 Added 2025-02-09 18:11:51 +0000 UTC

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Antony Claughton

rereading, and I wondered if the Mei's "horrible thought" was that he might have forged ammorite cards with Ambraz! Since she knows he's rank 2 diamond on his own, and Ganvils often support smiths acting at a higher level.

Josh McDonnell

I have a feeling he well use it himself for his eighth soulcard. Also if soulscap size determines how many soul cards you have and his soulscap is always growing could he have more cards? I vaguely remember them talking about this.

Nicholas Del Rossi

If it’s related to what you were talking about that leave’s Daubutim’s family, Old world characters, People in portal worlds, The leaders of the Kat 6 world, Side characters returning like the Galub from the world we meet the first purple fart in. One of the Galwin’s doing Galwin thing’s, Guider portals, And the snake from the prison Ambroz was trapped in. (Yeah it’s probably not the snake)

Carrarn

Nope ;)

Antony Claughton

Well now I’m curious. I wonder if it’s the cousin trying to get control of Eluathor?

Not Me

You're definitely right about handcards restricting portal access. I'm mostly curious if the rules change once the handcard is bound into a soulcard. And there's some people like Hind who probably have massively mangled component cards to the level that they may not individually have a grade. As far as I can recall, the rank of your first soulcard determines the base size of your soulscape and the maximum number of future soulcards you can get, and doesn't really impact the highest grade of card you can acquire.

Nicholas Del Rossi

So if I remembering right, whatever your highest rated card is will be the minimum rank of portal you can enter, regardless of whether or not it’s one of your old soul cards or a new hand card although I’m also pretty sure you can’t get a hand card higher ranked than previous soul cards, which is why they reforged Greldos first soul card to diamond before starting on his second heart or filling second soul card. I’m having a bit of trouble keeping track with exactly what stage everyone is at. Outside of Irwin, mostly due to having been caught up on serialized for a few months now.

Not Me

That's a good idea, cooperative forging is a good way to improve. Having to aid another person would probably result in either horizontal growth - learning how your peers do things differently than you, or vertical growth looking down - learning how your juniors do things worse than you, and shoring up your own foundations by thinking through, codifying, and explaining what proper technique is. There's a lot of highly skilled people in various professions, from athletes to doctors, who know exactly how to simply "do" something, but have all sorts of trouble communicating it to other people. Working with a smith of different methods or types could teach Irwin how to use or integrate that method into his, or how to resonate with those alternate types. And working with a smith of similar types could give him an outside view of how he does things, similar to what he got with the other musical smiths last chapter.

Not Me

I'm curious, what state where the Imps and Galubs that they farmed in Giard in? Were they all some state of not-yet-Addled but mostly insane? Or they were properly Addled? Or some other state due to their lack of cards? Also, how do soulcards interact with handcard-rated portals? Will someone with a Topaz soulcard that contains an Emerald handcard be limited to Topaz and lower portals, because the soulcard rank is Topaz, or Emerald and lower ones, because the highest handcard in the soulcard is Emerald? Or given full access to all portals because it's not a handcard, or simply restricted entirely, because it's greater than any handcard? If it's limited-access, do they make use of handcarded serfs to collect cards from lower-level portals? Or teams of specialized weak-soulcard workers? This all seems like it could be relevant if Irwin goes to a central farming world and wants to personally farm something or show off to the readers. Interesting spoiler about card creation. If I were some wealthy major supplier of cards trying to hide their source, I'd probably go about it like money laundering - name my source of secret card creation after some nonexistent or barely productive, remote world, and hope that nobody peeks too closely. Or better yet, split its card inflow among many sub-entities and categorize them as coming from worlds that actually do produce cards, to make it look like normal business doing well, rather than one suspiciously large one generating a ton of specific types of cards. Or exchanging them for soulshards without naming their source at a place that I own that does business in cards (either trading or gambling), basically making it a regular transaction that looks like trade or gambling rather than farmed production.

Nicholas Del Rossi

So the essence of cards smithing is the card and the Smith. The card being the half the essence half the direction and half the potential, While the Smith makes up the other half, Currently known smithing styles all must use some medium, or technique to aid in sensing the card, altering it, or do both, they also seem to tap into some artistic expression of fundamental reality like fire, sound, patterns, scale, They combine a law of reality with sentient interpretation from the smith, they also must all be smithed most commonly using a hammer, but as some have used their bare hands in the past, it’s possible there are other tools the none nearly as effective as far as we are aware, secondary tools, such as Irwin’s guitar can also be incorporate into the process. The big thing I’m thinking of that we haven’t seen yet would be cooperative forging, at least as far as I can remember we never had a bunch of people standing around one card taking turns swinging, It might also be cool if instead of Smith’s aiding in the process, we had someone else aiding in the creation of their own card similar to how Ganvils can aid a smith, like having a musician stand beside Arwen singing a he creates a card for them, this would only work if the Smith’s method of working on the card were similar enough in both the artistic and physical medium that they could mesh with the artist, hence why I used a musician as the music style is the most prominent in the story from the readers perspective, can’t remember how prominent it was stated as being on the whole, I’m also wondering since it’s been a while how often smiths use no style aids I can’t remember it being done recently, but if I remember correctly it was originally treated as a potential aid for some Smiths rather than one of many different styles. The difference between an aid and a style is something I’m not really sure of. I used to make a pretty big difference between them in my head until I wrote a comment about it and someone else responded and we had a little discussion on it so I’m not sure where to draw a distinction between now, and have been using them semi interchangeably. This has gotten a bit long, so I’m gonna end it here and probably make another comment somewhere else because there’s still so much in my head that I want to talk about.

Carrarn

I'm not planning on doing anything else with Daubutim's father. In my mind that part of his character progression is a lot further. If we see anything related to his father it will be when we see how Daubutim raises his own children and what influence his father still has on him with that. That all said, there is something from allllll the way back happening in the background. (well multiple things obviously) One thing that isn't to far off from your suggestion, just with different characters. (I wonder if you can figure it out :P)

Carrarn

How cards are 'farmed' currently depends on the area of the Portal Gallery people are in. Near the edges its a bit gung ho- while closer to the center its all more crystalized. That aid, most cards do come from either the highest rank worlds and their massive number of adjacent branches or from the outer branches as the prices in the central branches are far better. Addled almost never have cards, and only the exceptions (like the one Irwin found) that somehow consume one of sufficient quality, to withstand their soulforce draining will be findable. Your moral points are valid, which is one of the reasons a lot of research has been done, and is being done to create cards from ambient soulforce. However, and I'll try not to give to much away, when a wealthy noble or merchant family managed to come up with a way to do it... do you think they would just share it? Some might, but most would likely hide that ability to make a lot of profit.

Carrarn

Although I have a lot of backstory, including some of this, I don't have all of it thought out yet ;) Usually I make a rough outline of how it should work, and when I require it for the story I add them in. Soooo with that in mind, I love the idea you suggested for steam and water. The shadow one is something we might eventually see as I have that pretty much thought out. If you have any more good ideas, plot them in here and you might just seen of them pop up later! :)

Carrarn

Correct, but he didn't really get the time for it :) I'll make sure to get you all some juicy cards with the next chapter ;) might even be two! (O_O)

Carrarn

Fixed, all - The 200 years one is correct, and she insinuated she did go there, she just failed the subsequent tests. :)

Antony Claughton

which had ended up with him reforging two cards from quartz to ruby ==> given he blew up one card, should this be one card rather than two? otherwise." ==> otherwise. It could be, with that Ganvil, he bonded being one of the princes, no, prodigies they called them. ==> It could be with that Ganvil he bonded being one of the princes, no, prodigies they called them. You two can join us." ==> “You two can join us." Parka let them there, ==> Parka led them there, Guild Branche ==> Guild Branch Before you ask, I have no knowledge about any of that. I was tested and found lacking after reaching rank two ===> previous chapter didn’t she say she reached rank 2 or 3 before reaching 200? So, she would have met the criteria. much you oblige ==> must you oblige

Not Me

The idea of culling Addled for their cards is probably in the ethical realm of killing zombies for their territory. At some point, you probably have to accept that they are both beyond any practical means of salvation, and a tangible threat to your community's safety if left unchecked. Sure, you might need a bit of a steelier mental constitution to kill things that you know were once people, rather than things that were clearly monsters the whole time, but it's not a particularly difficult decision to rationalize, especially once you add in the value of the cards. And it's a decision that has been made repeatedly and at scale by the various communities of the Portal Gallery, so it's not that weird. I wouldn't be too surprised at any particular mix of sapients/nonsapients being farmed on Eluathar. It's already clear that there's hostile nonsapients present on the world, as well as friendly sapients. And portals offworld. Speaking of which, I wonder if Irwin's card still allows him access to lower-leveled side portals.

Not Me

Speaking of farming - I wonder if all the cards from Giard were skewed or biased in any which way, since Giard was in fact a farm world. Did it have a particular surplus of weapon or tool cards, or an unusual diversity of multiple types? Or perhaps cards that were particularly helpful for Gelwin's self-cloning cards? Since it appears to have been abandoned, maybe it simply had hard-to-smith types? I'd imagine that for an isolated community, what cards they can equip really depends on what their world provides them, and thus the carded people end up resembling their farming environment. But they have a majority of their innate cards as Giard cards, and a decent infusion of Portal Gallery cards that Irwin bought, so it will take some time for the types and impact of Eluathor cards to assert themselves.

Antony Claughton

I'm also curious if we'll ever see Daubutim's father again. Given we now know some of the portal-worlds being used to destroy places like the home-world have sub-portals to other Guilder worlds, it isn't a certainty that he's dead. There could be a really interesting subplot if he is recovered at any stage, and how he interacts with Daubutim.

Antony Claughton

Yep, the economics is interesting. As is just how much farming must be occurring. When you consider that each card was originally a creature, you hope most weren't sapient. We don't know what is happening on Eluathor in this respect, as getting cards is a priority with all the smiths and the need to upgrade the populace/defenders. Hopefully they've found some non-sapient species on sub-worlds which they can farm. Even better if there is a time dilation allowing them to collect cards at a very fast rate in the main world's timeline (let alone the portal gallery).

Not Me

Something that probably should be addressed (eventually) is how smiths' innate typings don't create massively skewed selections of reforged cards available to people. Like, if regular, low-level smiths tend towards fire, metal, kinetic, sound, soulforce, diagram, hammer, etc. cards, you would think that there would be a shortage of low grade versions of these cards on the market, as smiths would buy them for personal consumption, or be able to reforge them to higher grades more easily. And types that are opposite whatever smiths in general have (ice, corrosion, void, soulforce-nullification, etc.) probably exist in large numbers at low grades, but are much rarer to have high-grade or custom-forged copies of.

Not Me

It would be awesome to see smithing techniques derived from alternate schools of thought. Like, how would water or ice elementals go about smithing? Would they be focused on phase change and/or crystalization, rather than metal and resonance? Like, a water-based crafter might condense soulforce from a sort of steam into something more like a pool of water, then into a solid crystal and higher grade of card. Or an animal-based smith might view it as nurturing, feeding, growing, breeding, and eventually culling their flock. And a shadow-based smith could do something more purely related to the black dots on the card, or maybe something to do with angles, exposure, and isolating it from outside "light" (or soulforce) in certain patterns or just in totality.

Antony Claughton

We still didn’t get to see what those cards were reforged to! Lol

Antony Claughton

I wonder if smiths who use different smithing techniques could do so with different elementals? Eg those with fire could go to the Ignitzian world and forge with those elementals? A technique would synchronise with earth titans. Etc.

Antony Claughton

I’d have liked him to ask about that titan card, which I think we can assume is a world card. But discussing it has now been revealed as too dangerous. He can’t let slip he’s seen one. And especially not where it is. That gas giant and its moons are too valuable. Asking now about autonomous flying cards which can split off ammolite hand cards might be a giveaway…. Although, if you did want central branch support in the war, that might be one of the only ways to get it.

Antony Claughton

I think it’s simpler than that. She doesn’t believe Irwin could have the cards and abilities he has without representing a people as advanced as some central worlds. Because she underestimates Ganvils, doesn’t know he’s Galadin (or what that means) and doesn’t know what he’s learned, she is totally underestimating Irwin, and thus making bad assumptions. For example, she can sense his ability with soul force. She knows he’s filled his soul lake twice. We just heard how sought after cards associated with soul sensitivity are. Think of the resources she ASSUMES someone must have given him to fill his lake twice at that age. She’s working with limited knowledge which ironically has led her to some conclusions that are both partially correct but significantly wrong. Ironic because the correct element of her conclusions she's got to from entirely incorrect assumptions!

Stephen Pearson

Thanks for the chapter! :-)

Mojr

So those freed people's cards could grow to he a worldcard when they stayed on a world for a time. Just like rank 8 Ganvils can become world anvils. The Titan that appeared when Irwin reforged his heartcard also said he'd tell Irwin about Worldcards when he reached a certain level. Not sure what the level was, but I believe 8 soulcards or smth

Carrarn

Still working on a rebuild

Nicholas Del Rossi

I love the story. There are so many things I’m waiting to happen the next soul card. The going’s on at the new home world. The upcoming conflict with the guider. The big forging spree on the moon and potential encounter with the chaos whales and the giant card . Greldo everything. Learning more about card smithing. And every chance we get to see people’s reactions to Arwin and the people surrounding him. AMMMMMMBROZZZZ!!! So many individual characters I’ve realized I can’t name them all without making this way too big . And all the things I’ve almost certainly forgotten but will remember as they come back into the story going forward because this story is just so big and awesome at this point I’m bound to forget something I love about it .

Nicholas Del Rossi

Btw auther is there an update on that world bible site you were working on where we could See things like heart and soul cards and the cards that went into making them alongside other axioms of the world like the different branches of forging cards types of cards ECT, No hurry just thought I’d ask since it had to be taken down before.

Nicholas Del Rossi

If I remember right, the guild master believes that Arwin is hiding a ship capable of traveling the storm with more of (his people) out side there range, and that he is part of an old hidden family or people that live around this area, although she seems to be missing a lot of facts, Due to a lack of sources, she did hit surprisingly close to home, I wonder how this conversation is going to go, unfortunately, I’m going to have to wait four days to find out as anyone reading this, well almost anyone, there is one person who might read this who almost certainly knows. . .

Nicholas Del Rossi

World cards. . . I feel like I heard that name when we were freeing people from the guider’s chains, but maybe that was a different card, it does remind me of the world Ganvils and that massive card Arwin forged with the chaos whales on the moon.


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