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Digital Ink on the Side: Slane Theocracy

🕑 Added 2026-01-22 15:31:49 +0000 UTC

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Zero Sin

Allow me to offer some counter points. We do not know the context of the clash between Blue Rose and the Sunlight Scripture, seeing how they are often sent as an extermination unit for troublesome groups (Katze Plains undead, beastmen invasors) i don't think they were sent to randmly target a group of demi-humans, said group probably did something crappy to some humans for the SS to be sent, after killing the perpetrators SS probably wanted to eradicate the problem to its root, that was probably when Lakyus (who is genuinely a good person) drew the line. Of course, this remains speculation as much as yours since ther eis no official context for this event. As for xenophoby, i agree that, as you said, there is a basic level of xenophoby everywhere and taking in account the crappy things demi-humans did and still do to humans, it is not unjustified. But for all i saw, Slane is acting only when provoked while other nations act just due to national interests. I think you are underestimating a bit the extermination quests given to adventurers, it is true they are paid to do it, but the deed is not only socially acceptable but also praised. Let me give you an example, if a pharmacists needs herbs it is perfectly acceptable to invade the territory of another, stole their resources, and even killing them if they try to defend their territory and resources, and that is socially acceptable. As for Gazef, yeah it was scummy, but i don't think it was something personal against him, no, if the ST could make him change his mind and join them they probably would have liked someone like him on their side. Unfortuantely he was too loyal to a corrupt and decadent regime the ST wanted to eradicate. I am not saying they had the moral highground or something, but in the grand scheme of things, having Re-Estize taken over by Baharuth would have been the better outcome for humanity seeing how Jircniv was doing very well for himself. Gazef was just an unfortunate obstacle. Now that i think about it, most of the questionable stuff done by ST was really Nigun's doing, so maybe he was the problem and not the rest of the country. But yeah, i appreciated you taking your time to explain your points, discussions can only bring to a deeper understanding as more point of views and interpretations are presented.

Chagatai

Man, I'm late. Hope you see it anyway. I disagree on Re-Estize (RE) and Baharuth (BE) being more xenophobic than ST. First, Blue Rose stood against Sunlights during one of their demi-human extermination raids. RE overall seems to prefer to leave demis alone and destroy them when they are getting too close to human settlements. Besides, the extermination is mostly delegated to adventurers who wouldn't consider a job without financial reward, I assume to them extermination quest is a business without ideological rationale. BE is mostly the same, though they actively employ legions and have a bit of a higher tolerance towards 'civilized' non-humans. Go Gin, Bunny maid, that Adamantium Ape Beastman live in Baharuth, not Slane. Imo, the main reason ST has the reputaion it has is Erya Uzruth; Slane's xenophobia and Human supremacy ideals are reflected in the Worker's attitude. He is contemptuous towards elven slaves, a half-elf and anything non-Human and geniunely believes that Humans are superior. By these examples it would seem that Slane Theocracy ARE Human supremacists. But is it a totally bad quality in the historical context they are in? I don't believe so. I think the Six were not total jerks and wouldn't want other races to be eradicated for Humans' sake so they established the Theocracy and charged it with the mission from their 'Gods': to ensure survival of Humans and their rightful place among other races as people, not food or toys but people who are treated with dignity. But as centuries went on, calamities occured, they'd gradually radicalized and switched to more violent methods. Despite that, ST persevered and worked hardest to enable Humans another decade or century of development. I don't think RE and BE realize how much work ST put into keeping non-humans in check so that 'savages' wouldn't roam free and 'civilized' ones wouldn't invade them for resources or sport. If not for Ainz, I'm sure they'd send Sunlight Scripture to aid Draconic Kingdom eventually. To enable ST centuries of supporting at least 4 Human nations they need vast resources and constant mobilization of people's potential, hence strict religious lifestyle and xenophobic ideology. BTW, that's the case where 'xenophobia' is literal: they are taught to fear what demi-humans would do to Humans should they fail their mission, but the message is hidden behind the supremacy propaganda. I also have come to believe that 'Rufus' watches over the Council and ensures they stay true to their Lord's mission and don't grow lenient or corrupt. Looks like I praise ST, doesn't it? Yes, i'm impressed by their 500+ year loyalty to the cause, the noble goal to ensure Humans' prosperity and thriving. I'm certain ST tries their best to do the right thing for the greater good of Humans, even if their methods are cruel. Though, in retrospect, the whole operation of Gazef Stronoff's assassination was unneccesary. Cardinals could've deployed the 12th Seat any time straight into the capital, Gazef wouldn't detect someone whom even Tia/Tina can't detect until it was too late. Another point I disagree with is about the Eight. No way they'd leave ST alone if they repelled one of the Players. It's more like Surshana hidden the most valuable treasures and convinced ST to bend the knee after his death, after that STs swore an oath, the Eight lost interest and went elsewhere and/or to the center of the continent to conquer more, leaving ST alone until their downfall.

Dutchman75

An Arc with Satoru spending time in the theocracy while trying (and failing) to avoid Zesshi would be a funny read, especially considering she’d be after that rematch

Dutchman75

Honestly I just wish we could have seen more on the ST in canon in general, we got Ainz spending time as an adventurer in Re-Estize which showed quite a bit about daily life for them. Something similar for the theocracy would have been fun to read ,especially since having been founded by players there’s likely some culture overlap with their original world

Zero Sin

Explained it in the PS, both chapter and secret project are to be released before the end of the month

Gagantheja Gadde

It's almost been two weeks zero when's the next release?

Mike

Always wondered where the F the stick was. Easily could've turned the Kingdom into a vassle state. But it's easy for us to say these things. We don't have to placate NPCs that were programmed to be a certain way. Though I'm positive we ALL have a backbone, unlike Ainz(the irony of being nothing but bones and missing the most important part).

Devon

It's funny, thinking back to when I read Overlord there were times I would just forget about the Slane Theocracy beyond their various scriptures. I think something a lot of people struggle with is creating interesting faiths and then exploring their tenants and how said tenants would sculpt its practitioners and their respective cultures. Its easy to stamp someone as hyper religious and then just make them a bog-standard crusader. My biggest beef with Overlord in general, however, was the whole Re-Estize genocide ark. It felt like too big a leap especially when Nazarick is supposed to be helmed by geniuses, since I can't think of any nation that wouldn't be up in arms if a complete and utter genocide happened so blatantly right next to them and they knew that they could be next because of a minor diplomatic incident. Carrot and stick is one thing, carrot and a nuke is another.

Ivan Chechnya

The ST being so one dimensional is something that most upsets me about the canon story, I wish they were and remained a threat to Nazzarick throughout the story at least in some way. I stopped reading the LNs after the end of the Roble Holy Kingdom war arc, and moved on to atheistbasementdragon’s work which I take for a much better continuation from that point than that of Marus. However I’ve come to love your work and characterization equally as much! I would really like to see someone attempt a story focused on the founding of the ST and provide characterization and depth to them as a nation. I think it would be a very compelling and interesting story since prior to their founding humanity was equivalent to cattle, or at best 2nd class citizens. It reminds me somewhat of the Witcher lore when it comes to Elves and Humans. I’ve never been a big fan of villains/antagonists with unredeeming qualities, sure one or two is fine in a story but to have a whole nation be ‘evil’ is insane to me. I hope you consider one day writing a story exploring their founding or consider writing an original work on a similar concept of the first human nation in a similar fantasy or Sci-Fi setting!

Duriel

I don’t really keep up with the fandom, but I have found myself uninterested in the later volumes of overlord. I really like what you and various other people in the fandom have done with Zesshi in particular. I think you’re absolutely right that she has enormous potential as a character and it’s upsetting to see it just thrown away like that. Anyway, very interesting to hear your thoughts. I look forward to you doing this again!

Duelmest

I’m happy with what you’re doing with the Slane Theocracy. I’ve always found them to be the most interesting country, especially since we didn’t know much about them for a long time. They definitely have their problems, but based on what we’ve seen from other nations, they actually seem far more open to other races than most fans assume. That makes sense, considering that two of their Six Gods weren’t human, with Surshana being undead. I’m really excited to see how you flesh them out especially since it feels like Maruyama no longer wants to expand much on Overlord’s characters or world.

Zero Sin

Fair, i myself actually think Maru went back on his initial idea for them and tried to build something different in the few appearance they got since the Six Cardinals sounded nothing like Nigun when they talked among themselves. And yeah, to me the god of light might have been a demi-human from a race that might have lived a little longer than humans but not by much, so i don't believe he was an elf since we know Surshana was the only one remaining by the time the 8GG appeared.

Zero Sin

I always read the elven slaves situation more like a prison of war situation rahter than a slave market like in the Empire.

Zero Sin

That would still be more interesting than the "final battle". Honestly i would like to get a full volume of ST lore over the final (anticlimatic) battle. And believe me, it will be bad, either Ainz solos because he has all the advantages and counters in the world. Or Maru pulls something out of his ass to definitely eliminate Nazarick (wouldn't count it out since the guy seems salty af with his own fans to the point i would not rule out a final fuck you on his part)

Zero Sin

Well, i can understand that, i was really disappointed by vol 12-13, after a banger like vol 11 with ton of character development and cute interactions. THere is an abysmal difference between Ainz in vol 11 and Ainz in vol 12-13 to the point i initially thought it was PA when i first read it. Then we get 14 which is a total downfall of the writing, it is literally Maru telling us "okay, i am done, Ainz kills everyone, the end!". And i forced myself through 15-16, which is a shame since i love Aura and Mare, wouldn't reccomend reading them.

Mike

If I can be honest, I struggled to read volumes 13 and 14, and never bothered to go read 15/16. In my opinion after volume 12 the story stopped be unique and fun. Kind of felt like any other LN you can find for a "dime of dozen". That's mostly why I love your story man, characters that could've and should've been flushed out in Maru's story are done(in my opinion) right in yours. Though I'm still trying to forgive you for Climb's suffering, LOL.

Apollosynthesis

Yeah wished we'd see more of them. It really is too bad it likely wouldn't evolve past the initial impression of them. Not with the volume limit, there simply enough room to delve any deeper into the nuances. But who knows maybe maru would spend 50% of the last volume giving us all the flavor text of the theocracy and rush the final boss fight or something. Either way I much prefer what you did with zesshi here than in Canon. As interesting as the fight was I wish bro could have spent some of the elf village budget on fleshing out one of the main characters of the theocracy you know? Now shes just trapped in Neuonist's sex dungeon never to see the light of day again lol

Enderattack

If i remember correctly, the Slane Theocracy is mostly keeping elves as slaves because of the war with them, not many other demihumans. The Cardinals only use Xenophobic believes as a means to unify humans and increase their weight in the world but aren't believers themselfs.

İronForce 2033

I feel like the radical view in the Fandom concerning ST is somewhat understandable when we’re literally introduced to them in the first volume by them: killing countless civilians without remorse & being absolutely arrogant buffoons. Then they take a background role for like 80% of the Light Novel, so the initial impression sticks. I would personally love to have more stories put them in a better or at least Grey light. (Would kinda like a story where Surshana returns & is flabbergasted by the whole religious aspect, Big E style) Also, the “Light God” is such a mind wracking topic cause basically everything points towards the fact they were non-human(WB says they were an Elf) but that then creates the question “How did they die, then?”


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