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A note to all iOS users
🕑 Added 2024-08-13 18:48:50 +0000 UTCHey everyone.
There is a chance that you've already heard about this since it's already making the rounds on social media. But just in case you haven't, I figured I'd leave a note here to everyone who follows this Patreon.
If you are an iOS user and think of subscribing through the Patreon app, please don't, and instead use a PC or the website. Patreon gave out a notice to creators that in a few months time, Apple will be requiring that they are given a 30% cut of all subscriptions handled through their system, and so unless you want to pay extra, it's best to subscribe in ways that don't involve the apple ecosystem.
There is theoretically the choice for us creators to eat the 30% cut, but practically it's pretty much impossible. It would be a case of apple getting 30%, Patreon takes i think it's 5 or 6% in my case, in some cases the payment processor also takes a small cut, then there are cuts taken out by the payment processor it gets sent to on my end, conversion fees and at the end then of course also taxes. (Both in my end, and VAT if applicable)
Soooooo, yeah. Once it goes into effect and I'd eat the cost of it, it'd be a case of if you're paying 12€/$ (in the case of a 20% sales tax), what would end up actually reaching me is around 5€/$.
So, for iOS user it will simply be more expensive to account for apple's 30% tax.
That of course still means that a massive chunk of it gets swallowed up along the way, and money gets disappeared into corporations, but at least on my end I can plan and be sure that a sub will always account for the expected amount of money.
Patreon mentioned this should not affect already existing subs. Though who knows how it'll actually go.
This, btw, is not a Patreon only thing. Chances are, that if you are subbed to something like Youtube premium through iOS, you are already paying more than other users for exactly the same reason.
So while this has become pertinent to the Conway Patreon account right now, you should in general try to avoid subbing or buying stuff through iOS if you can.
Comments
Andreas Olsen
I am glad I don't use iOS anymore. Corpo greed at its finest.
Nomax
I mean it's not just indie producers they're fucking. It's everything. It's become a "business model" practically everywhere. Companies love it if they can have some model where they're a middleman and just take a cut of everything. It's basically taxes but for their profits. It's just particularly eggregious with apple given of how strongly walled in the eco system is. For example, the devs of the apps aren't even allowed to mention that there are other ways to sub for example. Spotify simply has a message like "Sorry, you can't subscribe to spotify premium through the app." with no further link or anything because it would break the terms of service. And yeah, fun fact, it would absolutely be possible to offer Conway on iOS. Renpy offers the compile method for it easy peasy. But of course since it's an adult game it wouldn't be accepted on the app store, and given how strictly everything is walled up on iOS, it just doesn't make sense to go through the trouble to provide for the few people are able to sideload apps.
Matzuki
Apple really try to kick out Inde prod with is kind of "deal" . What they have in mind ? Make their environment more elitist?
