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PATRON TIER LIST TNG S4E24
🕑 Added 2024-10-14 13:48:49 +0000 UTCWhat tier do you rate Star Trek TNG S4E24?
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#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
Add it to the list: - Talks down Maxwell - Gets Locutus, Worf and Data off the shuttle before the Borg 'splode it What else am I missing up to this point?
Deep Red
I love how much this episode really feels like an escalation for the Romulans as villains. They have consistently played games and lured the Enterprise into traps, but this feels like a whole new level to their cruelty and trickery. The idea of having someone able to just make you see the most horrific and disturbing things you can imagine through your mind is truly terrifying and disconcerting.
The Ninth Doctor
Top comment... 👏 🤣🤣
Mike Rogers
The Manchurian Visor.
Thicketdweller
I would refer you to the episode Data’s day. Something is up. Romulans, Romulans… Love the breadcrumbs this episode lays out
Nick Sauer
Did not see the twist with the ambassador coming. Well played Mr. Echevarria, well played.
ComMix
this episode give me chills. Geordi picking up that chair. Waking up, calling O'Brian. The endsequenz with Troi. Data's "this is an Order" CHILLS i say.
Jovet
I always ALWAYS get this episode (by title) confused with another later one involving Riker. It's actually really frustrating.
Jovet
Nah, the scenes with Picard in the holodeck are simultaneous with Data's investigation of the shuttlecraft. Once Data confirms Romulan involvement, he tried to reach La Forge. When he doesn't answer, he contacts Worf. It all happens pretty quickly, and Data goes directly to the shuttle bay.
Jovet
I really do like Troi's talk with Geordi at the end of the episode, her calm yet firm determination, and La Forge's frustration and shock. Even his lips are trembling.
Jovet
I don't like it, I don't hate it.
Jovet
He had to. Worf couldn't believe his orders.
Alexander McKechnie
Ah, Star Trek: The Next Manchurian Candidate! Sure the story has been done before, but Trek handles it well. B-tier. Klingon cursing is always fun.
Jon1701
Stunning directorial debut by David Livingston. Includes one of the top 5 Data moments of all time : “That is an order”
Thomas Cole
Especially pointing it at the main reactor.....
jon bolton
I just can't wait to see your faces in the Romulan version of a holodeck when Geordie kills O'Brien. I also love Worf's reaction when Data tells him to place La Forge in custody. Definite high A, bordering on S!
Joe Concepts
One problem with this is I think Data takes way too long to try and stop Geordi. He's obviously started figuring it out. Maybe it's an editing issue, but he should've alerted someone long before he finally does.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
New phone, who dat?
JoeCensored
The reveal that the Klingon Ambassador is in on it, as he casually eats, is my favorite scene. Also we've got the shadowy figure..... good stuff.
rear adm. crackbiscuit
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Timothy Nikiforovs
Some solid political intrigue following up on the story thread of the klingon spy from Drumhead. Geordi's been having a rough go of it ever since Galaxy's Child. Still I can't help but laugh at him killing "O'Brien" and then just casually sitting down and having a drink with the guys who watched him do it. Even in the mirror universe I don't think they'd be that chill about it.
THE Fans
This episode is easily S tier. Very rewatchable.
Timothy Nikiforovs
maybe she just assumed he rented a holodeck😄
marty63026
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Sixto
S! SSSSSSS! “ that is an order” SSSSSSS++++
Ron Hubbard Jr
Data pulls rank on Worf!!!
Ron Hubbard Jr
Another great Geordi episode but in a very different way. His VISOR gets used against him. You think they would learn...
Ron Hubbard Jr
There is a lot more than meets the eye with this episode...
KatWithAttitude
Another Geordi episode that's disturbing, but not in the same way as other episodes. Poor guy has no idea what's going on after he gets programmed and he probably feels about how Picard felt when he was Borgified. My ranking is "Excellent".
Shortskirtsandexplosions
Every Trek series has its whipping boy. In TOS, it was arguably Chekov. In TNG, it's clearly Geordi. What I'm talking about is Trek's proclivity for picking a likable character and doing everything conceivably horrible to them for sympathy points. DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise (to some extent) do this too. (In NuTrek, the audience is comprised of whipping boys, f'naaa). I give this episode a B-Tier. It's objectively a good one, but I don't return to it that often. I feel that "torture" becomes a topic that is handled much more... discreetly(?) in future Trek to come, but here it's a means to an end to enact a dramatic plot with very little in the way of exploring the long-term consequences. But, I'm probably just being cynical. I really like the climactic moment of this episode, so there's that.
Narnman
this episode has actor John Fleck who i find has a distinctive voice
tyranusfan
My favorite scene is Data solving the mystery at the end. I also love when he pulls rank on people, since he doesn’t do it often.
Who North America
I like this one... a lot. I like Romulan intrigue and I like explorations on how far they are willing to go, and how their methods differ from the Klingons... this is a perfect example.
Dan Halstead
As brainwashing episodes on TV go, this was written and performed well, building up the tension nicely. It sneaks into A territory for me, but why can't we get a good episode of Geordi just being Geordi?
LonghillAndy
A really good way to show how there’s always rumblings and underhanded politics/power struggles between the Klingons the Romulans and the federation in the background of our weekly adventures with our crew
Tim b
Somewhere between B and A tier. All the right elements are there for an S-tier, but within the sub-genre of Star Trek polit-thriller there are so many stories that feel more impactful than this one that I want to leave some room for them.
The Ninth Doctor
A tier with the obvious ingredients, but just misses an S for the two huge issues I have. Where the hell was Troi in all of this, and why would anyone test out a phaser rifle right in the middle of Main Engineering 🤣
Lovok
Somewhere between a B and a C (went with B-). Has all the ingredients to be a great episode, but is just missing something. Can even be a bit boring in places. Still a decent watchable episode.
Steven Cressler
Really good, 7.7/10, A-. Pretty disturbing episode with Geordi' s torture. Has the really cool complex plotting I always love to see from the Romulans. And as much as I love slower, emotional, character-focused episodes, sometimes it's fun to just get a classic last-second save scene.
Collin Freeman
I got the exact same vibe.
Crankygrandma
This was a good one. Even though I knew Data would stop him somehow, I was on the edge of my seat. I gave it a strong A. I think you will rate it S because it’s good writing, directing, and it has Klingons and Romulans. It’s like it was made for you.
jan
A at least - could quality as S - however, i have to admit i can't re-watch - this is another on my list of "can't watch" when there is torture - but i do remember enough to give a solid A
Greg Quinn
Troi should have known Geordi was kidnapped by Romulan's and given false memories as soon as he told her he met a girl and it went great.
Steven Linden
Romulan neural/brain technology is starting to seem pretty scary. The mind probe stuff we saw in "Future Imperfect" wasn't real, of course, but given what we see here, it seems like it was actually pretty accurate to what the Romulans can do.
Nolan
THIS is Star Trek doing it's political intrigue thriller at it's best. Great tension, uncertainty and dread throughout. IMO modern Trek has tried to do intrigue like this, but it falls on it's ass every time cause it's too over the top. And shout out to that fish-eye lens tracking shot. *chef's kiss*
Keith S
A. Geordie's brainwashing was totally unerving. Especially when he shoots "O'Brian" dead in "Ten Forward".
Angelaina Marie
I think this one holds together for many, many re-watchings. I love getting a little piece of Geordi's life in there, what he does when he's got 'downtime' which is sit there and think about warp theory, lol. I think it's better background and character development for him than he's gotten in the past and pairs nicely with the "Identity Crisis" story we just had a couple of shows back.
The Sultan
STAR TREK: THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE! Another twisty, turny, mystery episodes that TNG is just so damn good at churning out and building tension around. The downer ending seals it for me, it's terrific.
BN13
D-tier for me, just like Identity Crisis. This episode should have everything that makes an episode great. How can an episode with both Romulans and Klingons in it be boring? But it is. I can never get invested in this one. This is The Vengeance Factor of Season 4. We're told right at the beginning that it's Geordi, and the entire episode is just waiting for everyone else to figure out that it's Geordi. Don't care about this one. It puts me to sleep. I may be biased though. I don't like watching anything with torture, so I haven't seen this one in a while. Maybe I'll appreciate it more with a rewatch. I had no idea the community loved this one.
Phil Ken Sebben
Oh those Romulans. I’ve never been a fan of this one. C
John
Right. Forgot that detail. My bad.
BN13
I'm the opposite. I loved the previous 3 episodes, but hated this one.
Forbidden Donut
Solid A tier for me. Great opener with Geordi and the Romulan Warbird startling me and him at the same time, and an interesting, if very dark, premise of watching him be successfully brainwashed to nearly kill someone like that. Most horrific being the part where the Romulan explains how they can use Geordi's implants to force him to see whatever images they want and there's nothing he can do to stop it. A missed opportunity is knowing Geordi is just presented as A-okay after this episode, where I feel like a more modern show, if written well, would have this episode change him for a long time with PTSD.
marty63026
The Romulans send a ‘Geordi’ to the conference and gave the real Geordi false memories of it. So unless they spoke to fake Geordi it seemed that he went to the conference
Collin Freeman
A-tier. Nice use of The Manchurian Candidate story ideas (check out the original version with Frank Sinatra sometime, if you haven't already). Interesting stuff with Geordi. Might have been an S-tier episode if not for Data being able to unravel the Romulan plot too easily at the end.
Elway Simpson
First Klingon episode since Reunion and......Klingons + Romulans????? Uh oh
Ross Townsend
Cannot wait for Alex’s reaction to the Chief getting shot.
wildhunt1973
I liked this episode a lot. After the horrible trilogy we just slogged our way through. this was refreshing. And it was a decent Geordi episode.
Gregory
Romulans and Klingons working together? Surely not… oh wait didn’t they do that in The Enterprise Incident back in Season 3 of TOS?
John
Ya gotta love them convoluted Romulan plots. "They never come at you straight on; it's not how they think. They always come at you sideways." I enjoy the episode, though I have a hard time believing it takes them as long as it does to figure out that it's Geordi. Given how often it happens, the people are abducted or go off course to crash or whatever when they leave the Enterprise, if I'm them, I'm going to start asking for confirmation that my cremen arrived at their destination. That said, while not one of the best episodes of all time, it's still fun. And the mysterious woman in the shadows is an interesting teaser.
marty63026
Great Geordi episode. I like the simulation in the Romulan holodeck. The ending scene where Geordi is talking to Troi is great, it shows that there are lingering traumas after something like this happens to our crew. Geordi has to work through that trauma, it’s not just wiped away between scenes. S tier
Dark Kronis
1: Worf: do you have a alibi Geordi : no sorry i dont, worf: understandable have a nice day 2:gotta love that worf jumping down from a ladder was enough of a threat to jump him 3: less dramatic ending: Data to security: priorty order beam commander la forge into the brig
Kevin B
Chief O'Brien saves the Federation from war without even knowing it.
THE LORE!!!
Creepy lady in the shadows...
Evan Guthrie
Picard most certainly knew that refusing asylum would result in a death sentence for ambassador Kell. His delivery of the line, “I will grant asylum… AFTER you have been absolved” was such a cutting way to doom him to execution.
