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Cause and Effect, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S5Ep18

🕑 Added 2022-05-03 17:00:05 +0000 UTC

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SnabbKassa

Eventually there was bound to be an episode where it turned out that Sideshow Bob was behind it.

Locoturbo

Math nerd time: mass of Ent-D = 4.5*10^9 kg. Main shuttlebay at most is like 1/3 the width, say same depth and 3 decks = 250,000 m^3 of air = 306,000 kg mass. Gas ejecting into space at its room temp molecular speed (500m/s) = 1.53*10^8 kg m/s momentum. But this would subsequently move the Ent-D only 3.4 cm or 1.3 inches / second. Is that enough? :)

Guts

Kind of cool: Red Letter Media showing off the model used in this TNG episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLpxYMgQUT4

Josef Schiltz

Not exactly a time loop, but a do loop, with micropedial changes within each loop of time. Just as there were in the Doctor Who episode Heaven Sent.

Dan Williams

"Five couples engaged in romantic encounters," more people that realized they were gonna die.....

Dan Williams

This one I watch a lot, but I just realized something... An ensign catches Geordie and prevents him from falling to his death.... I realized that that's the first person to realize there's a loop and manages to change the loop....

Henry Fuller

I remember watching this when it first aired. I wish your show aired then that would have been amazing

Graham Mills

14:12 Shep successfully rolls for a shock attack.

Thomas88

E17,18, 19 and 20 are the best of season 5 They really wen deep with the stuff in the episodes. Your reactions are cool, like most times :) But to me, the best part is the fact, that we get closer and coser to one of my favourite TNG episodes "Ship in the bottle"

Firefly24601

Foley artists still need a job, even in the 24th century.... :D

Joe Concepts

I always enjoyed the notion that no matter what happens, that glass is destined to break. Granted, I don't know why in the 24th century, they're apparently replicating breakable glass?

Matthew Zeidman

For a minute, I thought Katrina got a replica of Beth’s childhood knife from Rick and Morty. This is a stellar episode (pun intended). I will say, however, that it’s definitely a plot convenience that the crew (other than Data) becomes keenly aware of what will happen in some instances (like which cards are going to be dealt and Geordi going to sickbay), but no one could remember not to follow Data’s advice.

DarkAshtar

I'm guessing the knife has a titanium coating, giving it the iridescent look. I had a sword like that.

Nolan

Good ol' Frasier Crane... There really were a lot of Cheers cameos in Trek... I admit, I was hoping Kat would be a little more bewildered before it clicked, but she's too savvy to time shenanigans. Showing this episode to my mom who doesn't get or like Sci-fi at least gave me some of that satisfaction of confusion. But she still just doesn't get it that much. I used to think the Bozeman also was stuck in the loop for 90 years, but this time I realized they were only stuck in the loop once the Enterprise exploded, because it was the explosion that created the loop. No Enterprise, no explosion, no loop. And THEN I realized that the anomaly the Bozeman came out of was the same kind of one that the Enterprise-C came out of. Only, they must not've had that much of an effect on future events, as history didn't change, nor did they seem to go back through. Also, Guinan was totally one of the ten people who knew something was up.

Bluefox

The thing is, it is the collision between the Bozeman and the Enterprise that causes the time loop. Both ships are involved in each crash, so both ships must've looped the same number of times. That said, it does seem the explosion is what caused the Bozeman to jump forward to the future. Like in many time travel stories, that means effect precedes cause. TImey-wimey wibbly-wobbly.

LogicSequence

Found this online, probably already known to y'all by now though: "The Bozeman was trapped because they never realized they were in a loop or didn't figure it out in time before getting recycled and forgot all they learned. Even if they came to realize what happened in one loop they wouldn't be able to communicate with the next loop to change a critical choice to break it. The difference was the personnel aboard the different ships. Setting aside the 90 years advanced technology advantage and consider the players. Enterprise has a 1/2 Betazoid, an Engineer with a high-tech prosthetic and an android with a positronic brain collaborating to communicate with next loop."

DC

So cool to hear this was a favorite episode of other fans. I thought I was the only one who really loved this one! I always thought the variety of angles and shots made everything seem off, which worked well for the atmosphere of the episode.

Sal Sanchez

One of my faves! I remember reading that the studio tried to get Kirsti Alley to reprise her role as Savik (ST: TWoK). She was gonna be standing beside Kelsey Grammer as his first officer. The two were starring in Cheers at the time. I think she was asking too much money for just standing there. I also remember that Grammer (a huge Trek fan) wanted a FULL movie-era uniform, not the later uniform without the turtle neck and belt. As always, the two of u provided us with great reaction entertainment. Keep up the good work.

Mike

That's the video I mentioned haha

Aaron Thorpe

I've been looking forward to this one!

Neil McRae

"Perhaps we should reverse course." "For all we know, reversing course it what leads us to the crash." Uhhh, no, Riker. It wouldn't, because you would've had no reason to reverse course the first time.

Mark Chrisco

Many fans at the time wanted to know what happened to the Bozeman crew. Even the writers said the ending opened up to another story and in fact Diane Carey wrote an original TNG novel, Ship of the Line, which takes place immediately after the end of this episode.

Brad Barter

I'd like to believe that the other crew from the past experienced a time loop similar to the Enterprise, however, if they had done so for 90 years without coming up with their own solution to their impending doom that by the time the Enterprise snapped them back into reality they wouldn't be calm and collected but a hysterical raving mess. Especially considering the TNG crew noticed it after 2 weeks and became more and more aware of exactly what would come next. So all that being said I believe their actual knowledge of events only occured within those 36 seconds destroying both ships and simply not giving them enough time to stray away from whatever actions they did to avoid it themselves, constantly repeating the same orders, maneuvers etc as the Enterprise bridge crew continued to do over and over again simply because there was no time to do it themselves. So after they were snapped back into reality it is possible they will remember doing the same actions starting as they exited the distortion and may now experience the trauma of it. Counselor Troi would definitely have her work cut out for her (until the other ship reaches a Starbase etc) either way from their memories of it plus the loss of everything and everyone they knew as the crew of the Enterprise-C began to in Yesterday's Enterprise.

ian webster

I have the Fraiser collection on dvd, brilliant writing .

Jonathan Emery

One of my Favorite episodes. Also I always believed that the Bozeman traveled forward in time through the rift and from their perspective it was the first time as opposed to the Enterprise 's experience rupturing space time and being stuck in a loop.

Ken Quick

Curiously, they removed (or rather, didn't include) the wall between the bedroom and living room in Beverly's quarters. I suspect Frakes determined that sequence(s) would move more smoothly if they didn't need separate camera/lighting setups for the individual rooms.

Ken Quick

Except First Contact... and Insurrection... oh, and Nemesis... and also Star Trek (2009)... not to mention Into Darkness... as well as Beyond.

Tristan Rose

Another instance where if they had just listened to Worf everything would have been fine; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh56mTdFn8M

Mark Ten

Sorry, but blame Ensign Ro! Everything goes to hell when she's given a direct order. I think she's still PO'd with Riker

TB

Something occurred to me watching this episode. Geordie mentions that he, “was lucky Ensign Fletcher was there to catch him.” We know people were able to be aware of the loops as they went on and even alter them a little bit. Maybe there were a few loops after the first one where Ensign Fletcher wasn’t able to react to Geordie falling and Geordie died. It doesn’t change anything but thought I’d share some additional depressing thoughts

Jarrod Wild

That was how I always understood it, as opposed to the Bozeman being stuck in a loop since the 23rd century.

Dan Crucy

Hi Paula! :) If the senior staff didn't just reflexively reject Worf's every recommendation, this episode would be over 20 minutes earlier. Also, there's a really great outtake from I think this episode where Data asks Geordie what happened to his beard and he replies "the producers didn't like it".

EricH86

But if the Bozeman was from between 1 and 2, wouldn't that make Saavik's appearance in 2 impossible?

Matt Hensley

The TNG crew is usually playing 5-card stud or 7-card stud, as they were the most common variants of poker through the 1990's. The 2003 World Series of Poker Main Event (which is Texas Hold'em) entered mainstream consciousness as it was widely broadcast for the first time, and Texas Hold'em has been the most popular variant since. It's funny that of all things, poker seems to be the thing that dates this episode!

Glen

The way I understood it is that the temporal loop was caused by the explosion from the two colliding vessels so the Bozeman passed through the distortion into TNG-time and then got stuck in the loop after the collision. If that's the case I think they would only have been stuck for the same 17 days as the Enterprise, having already been displaced from their own time.

Christian Rennie

Another Shut up Worf meme episode where if they just did what Worf suggests the episode would end. Always makes me laugh when this sort of thing happens to Worf. I do love this episode. But, I'm a little disappointed that Ro is not involved in any of the time loop stuff. Also, to learn that no re-use of footage fact makes me more disappointed that they didn't just show things from her perspective once. Could have been an opportunity where Ro ends up in the observation lounge and is integral to the sending the message idea and her inclusion results in the final break of the loop. Le'sigh....

Kathy A

First: Paula, if you have a cat shooting dice, you’d better keep an eye on your wallet! Second: this episode is most definitely on my Top Ten TNG Episodes list. Back in the early 1990s, when VHS tapes only had one episode and cost $20 each, this was the one TNG ep I owned. I loved that Katrina knew right away it was a time loop story! I did hear a rumor that they wanted to have the Bozeman’s First Officer be Saavik, played by Kirstie Alley in Wrath of Khan, for the fun Cheers reference, but she was unavailable, but they did have a Vulcan character there anyway.

R. Chang

it's really telling how much Texas Hold'em has taken over the world that most people don't know what 5-card stud is anymore.

Mike

Someone made an edit of this where they listen to Worf and the scene just cuts to credits. They couldn't have given that line to somone else for once?