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Ship in a Bottle, Gallifrey Gals Get Warped! S6Ep12

🕑 Added 2022-10-04 17:00:06 +0000 UTC

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Troy Convers

'The scribblings of an Englishman' Conan Doyle was Scottish...😑

Josef Schiltz

Maybe it would have been too meta for Barclay to say "Computer. End program" and immediately the end credits rolled!

Robert Gendron

Also, when Moriarty enters the bridge. Worf draws his phaser left-handed

Todd Miller

The best thing about watching this today is knowing Moriarty is coming back for Star Trek Picard.

Hampus Theander

Interesting postulations. Very little is known about food stuffs in the holodeck, but since it is established that a replicator can't create living organisms, live gagh couldn't be created as solid matter, it would either have to be replicated in a dead state or be living but only a holosimulation ergo non edible.

Matthew Zeidman

Taking it a step further, when the holodeck replicates food, how does it know what food to replicate? If I were Captain Picard eating a meal at my favorite Parisian cafe and, just for the heck of it, I decided to walk over to the next table and grab a piece of food over a fictional character’s plate, would the computer replace the simulated food with replicated food in real time or is all food replicated and dematerialized as needed? If I were hiking a trail on the holodeck and dropped a replicated apple, would the computer dematerialize that apple as soon as it was out of sight and rematerialize it if I returned to the same spot? What would happen to the apple if it were brought in from off the holodeck? What if it were live gagh brought in from off the holodeck? What would happen if you ordered live gagh on the holodeck?

Brad Barter

I mean if that were the case then any object should be able to be replicated instead of holo-projected making taking items at least off the holodeck much easier than they make it seem.

LogicSequence

If i'm not mistaken, lore wise, the holodeck is somewhat of a replicator, as items such as food and perhaps clothing can be replicated instead of simulated. Which is why you can eat a meal on the holodeck and not have it disappear from your stomach when you leave. Of course in reality... It's a TV show shot on multiple days and wardrobe lost the continuity script, if there was one. :P

Andrew Hogan

Wardrobe!

Andrew Hogan

Yeah, just what you want to do, let a diabolical villain open to causing mayhem every now and then.

Ben Chan

It's a miracle!

Brad Barter

This is another of those episodes where the clothing they had on when they first entered the holodeck isn't the same as when they left. Picard went in to first meet Moriarty wearing his zip up casual uniform jacket and ended wearing the standard uniform. Shouldn't his upper clothing at least have dissolved as he went back into the real Enterprise? 🤔

Brad Barter

Off camera sure

Joe Concepts

I like to think they had many successful Holmes adventures over the years.

Aaron Thorpe

If I’m not mistaken, after Picard, La Forge, and Barclay enter the holodeck into Moriarty’s program at the beginning, they don’t show another exterior shot of the ship until after they exit. A clue that they’re stuck inside!!

Mark Ten

Unplug the dang deck and return to mfr. This goes beyond a mere glitch and is dangerous. Im sure continued use (or Barkley's tinkering) would void the warranty anyway (how many seasons is it under warranty? Did they pay for extended service plan?) As for the professor, maybe call Scotty, he could use a drinking companion on that shuttle... (Im still not sure who is paying for the upkeep - creative accounting Picard?)

Kathy A

Stephanie Beacham is such a great actor! I first saw her as one of the leads in a terrific Brit series called “Tenko” about a group of British Commonwealth women taken prisoners by the Japanese when trying to flee Singapore for Australia after Pearl Harbor. She was a real standout in an excellent cast.

Ben Chan

Moriarty was also programmed to love the Countess. He had as little say in it as she did, so that's part of the debate. I mean can of worms: How programmed are we by our coding to love who we love? We were born that way... how much "total free will" is that? And I don't think they "forgot about Moriarty." Picard passed along the challenge to experts at Starfleet who hadn't made any progress. It does seem odd they kept him in the Enterprise's memory rather than transfer him to the people working on it, but ... story.

Joe Concepts

I like how they took the usual TV show occurrence where a show like the Moriarty episode is on and then no one ever brings it up again. Here they address it and suggest he's been stuck there. I do think they kind of ignore that fact that maybe he had a point. Like maybe Picard should have turned the program on now and then and interact with Moriarty over the years?

Red Claw

I don't think Moriarty was presented as a villain in this episode. His request was reasonable. He just wanted to live and felt neglected in the computer. So he had to take matter in his own hands. He was the Antagonist, but does not really act villainous. Making him the Villain of the episode would have been a disservice to everything Star Trek and this episode stood for. He had become more than the sum of his parts and was able to make his own decisions and being the man he wants to be, not being bound to his programming. It's the time old philosophical debate, if we have a free will or all our actions can be determined by our experiences. Star Trek takes a clear stance on free will in this matter.

Matthew Zeidman

Peak Kat fan joy and peak Paula poker face. As fun as this episode is, it does bring up a lot of good ethical questions. First, even if the crew believed Moriarty wasn’t conscious while in memory storage, they had an obligation to wake him up. From what Picard described, it sounds like they pretty much just gave up and planned to leave him in memory storage forever. As for Moriarty creating the countess, is it ethical to bring forth life programmed to love you? What are the implications of creating a sentient being without total free will? And, is Moriarty really evil? If I were abandoned in memory storage for four years, I probably wouldn’t be in the mood for Picard’s excuses either. He did release the ship when he thought he was safely away in a shuttle. He didn’t have to.

Henchman Twenty1

"Delete all holodeck programs, purge the holodeck memory core, then permanently dismantle all of the holodecks. I don't want to talk about it, just get it done!"

Brad Barter

One thing seems sure, Data and Geordi will seemingly never have a proper Sherlock Holmes mystery play out properly on an Enterprise holodeck at least 😉

Thomas88

I love this episode :) However i feel sad for the ending, today everyone goes like "Oh thats the matrix" ...No, it was just a META moment in the show..... it was THE meta moment, when Picard admits "Yh this is a TV show" Also the concept of the Matrix projecting anything just from will, is a concept from classic Doctor Who. They intruduced the matrix and its function during Tom Bakers run in the 70s i guess.

Ben Chan

All thoughts of the episode were supplanted by Kat's adoration of the word "adore." Now I just have the Alex Parks song "Adore" in my head... (not that there's anything wrong with that...)

Henchman Twenty1

I don't recall all of the details but the mention of the "Heisenberg compensator" in the transporter system came from some scientist stating that a device like the transporter in Star Trek would likely be impossible due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which states that when "commonly applied to the position and momentum of a particle the more precisely the position is known the more uncertain the momentum is and vice versa.", so the show's answer to this conundrum was creating the Heisenberg compensator. Simplistically clever!

Henchman Twenty1

The actress who plays the Countess was Stephanie Beacham. This is quoted from IMDB.com - "The most difficult part of the show allegedly was casting the part of Countess Regina. Director Alexander Singer noted: "It was difficult because we needed someone who could pull off an English accent, had a regal appearance, and looked sexy in Victorian clothes. When I saw Stephanie Beacham I said that's it. End of story."

DC

So, what would Captain Jellico have done this week?

Henchman Twenty1

The producers said that the main reason they had Barclay in this episode, besides being holodeck related, was that he was the best person to be able to pull off that last line. Either way, it's always great to see him even if he isn't the main focus of the plot.

Raja

I believe the earlier "ship in a bottle" reference the gals were recalling was from season 3's "Booby Trap": PICARD: It is exactly as they left it, Number One. In the bottle. The ship in the bottle. Good Lord, didn't anybody here build ships in bottles when they were boys? WORF: I did not play with toys. DATA: I was never a boy.

Graham Mills

"A glitch in the matrix", "All this might just be an elaborate simulation" - 4 years before "The Matrix" - Wachowski's took Picard's theory and ran it out to a full movie?

Bruce Bromley

A great triple threat episode, the holodeck, Barclay and Moriarty. I only wished that Daniel Davis had shown up more in episodes . Kat, it made my day seeing the pillow I gifted you make an appearance. Loved it! 🖖