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Pushing Through the Limit Chapter 29: Stepping Back

🕑 Added 2024-05-24 04:56:22 +0000 UTC

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Hersh Jobanputra

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SkulduggeryHaven

It is a frighteningly powerful Jutsu when used properly. One of my favorite scenes in the series was where Juubito was about to detonate a Gudodama right next to Naruto, Sasuke and Minato, and then Tobirama shows up and casually hands it back to him.

SkulduggeryHaven

It does give a lot more options, but I think by the point where Hiraishin came into play, the scale of the battles had grown so large that the average Shinobi wouldn't have really made a difference. They did try and overwhelm Madara, Obito and the Jubi with the sheer quantity of Jutsu they were able to produce with the entire alliance, but it was brushed off by the Jubi. If it had been introduced earlier when there was still time for battle strategies, things would have gone a very different way.

savitar

I think the Hiraishin shows immense potential. In addition to a jutsu capable of ending armies, it also shows the potential of being a jutsu capable of deflecting massive attacks. For example, imagine Onoki who uses his jutsu and instead of hitting you they hit the center of his attack force. Using hiraishin would also give Naruto an advantage. a lightning attack capable of attacking with millimetric precision without anyone being able to say two shits I can understand the jinchuriki's nervousness, but I have the feeling that those who brought up the fucking topic were the damn elders wanting to control Naruto's steps. after all if Naruto gets too strong they wouldn't be able to control him

Aritra Roy

Isn't that the thing about the Hiraijin though? The way it was introduced made me think that Naruto was going to pull more shadow clone BS out his ass and learn it in the middle of the war. It's perfectly set up in a way where Shikamaru and Ino can plan out a surprise for Madara, but instead Kishimoto just had the major players confront each in other directly. That's always been his problem, he can play lip service to teamwork and hard work all he wants, but he has no cleverness to pair with his creativity.

SkulduggeryHaven

The Hiraishin is an absurdly powerful Jutsu. I think the main reason why Naruto didn't learn it in the main series was because if he did, he would no longer be the underdog. Outside of direct combat, it's just ridiculous how versatile it could be, especially with a person who's got the Chakra to burn. During the war arc, I remember Minato being able to teleport an entire army that was using the one tailed Kyuubi's cloak just by linking his Chakra with Naruto's.

Aritra Roy

Doesn't that just make canon even more ridiculous because, why can't Naruto use that version of the Hiraishin? The Flying Thunder Formation Technique, aka the Hiraijin, is perfect for Naruto because he has the chakra reserves to do it with clones of himself, and he can keep clones on standby with Senjutsu chakra so that he can immediately sense the enemy's chakra, regardless of how little information he has before teleporting. I completely forgot the Hiraijin was a thing, but I recall thinking it was utterly absurd for Naruto to just not learn it after learning Senjutsu Chakra. If Senjutsu Chakra and Rasenshuriken (and the Kyuubi's chakra) is not enough for Naruto to be an S-tier ninja in the bingo books, I'm pretty sure Hiraijin would be the third and final thing he needs to learn before people can comfortably say, yeah Naruto is as dangerous as the Kages. Especially because, as far as I know, there's no reason why Naruto can't transport multiple people at once, especially jonins, aside from the fact that the formation would become a tight group hug. I'm also pretty sure Minato could've done the same with Hiraishin, which just makes the event of his death even more ridiculous because he didn't bring the Sandaime through the barrier and let him summon the Shinigami. It's ridiculous enough that I've considered how powerful Naruto would grow if Sarada popped out of a sharingan powered time portal into his early genin days. And I am not the only one, some have made attempts featuring the very idea.

Hersh Jobanputra

Damn this was almost a perfect summation of my thoughts. But I did not think of the gaurd platoon. Partly because they could not perform the Hiraishin they could only do a version of it that required three people. I think learning and elevating sage mode and using 1 talis of KC would be the way to go he has access to all of jinchuriki abilities while have nigh endless chakra and chakra perception. You could also use SM as a catalyst to awaken SOSP Chakra. I always found a weird that Naruto did not have wood release, even though he was a Ashura transmigrant. Maybe he can start learning Mokuton and then other Kekkai Genkai's since she has access to the scroll of seals. Maybe you could come up with a seal that cycles natural energy continuously in Naruto's body. So that way the only disadvantage to sage mode is negated. These are just ideas. You do not have to adhere to them. I'm just throwing them out there. You're doing a great job writing by yourself. I do not want to be a QB Writer.

SkulduggeryHaven

That genuinely means a lot to me, thank you for that. I've put a lot of effort into this fic and it makes me happy that others are enjoying it.

Zombie45

glad I could help cause be far this is the best SI as naruto fic I've ever read. also as far as the storm release with Madara goes, don't forget that after reviving he absorbed sage mode, which is after all your own chakra plus nature energy, from Hashirama who is also a reincarnate of Ashura

SkulduggeryHaven

They could definitely do that... That's just given me an idea for later on. Thanks.

Zombie45

with the guard I meant more like giving any advice they could, like how Jiraya who can't even use the Hiraishin helped him and plus they could teleport him to Anko and Shizune if say the Akatsuki make a play for them

SkulduggeryHaven

That's a pretty interesting thought. Madara, during the final fight showed that he was capable of using Storm Release, something that he didn't have access to prior to becoming the Jubi Jinchuriki and gaining Six Paths Chakra. I think that Naruto should be able to learn Elemental Kekkei Genkai so long as he gets some Six Paths Chakra... something that shouldn't be too difficult seeing as he's Ashura's transmigrant. Sage mode… Yeah, that is something that he’s going to be working on soon. For now though he’s focusing everything on learning the Hiraishin. I have to admit, I kind of forgot about Minato’s guard. They could probably help teach Naruto how to actively use the Hiraishin, but I don’t think they’ll be much help with the other aspects of it. The way I see it, for a person to use the Hiraishin effectively, they need to make their own personalized marker that’s attuned to their chakra. Minato and Tobirama weren’t able to teleport to each other’s markers, only their own while Minato’s guard needed three people to be able to teleport to one of his old Kunai.

Zombie45

So a couple of different things to mention for this chapter. First, the Kekkei Genkai matter. The Gudodama, Truth Seeking Balls, are spheres of malleable black chakra composed of all five nature transformations and Yin–Yang Release. And this is what Naruto the reincarnate of Ashura got access to after getting charka from the Sage of Six Paths. As such I’ve always looked at it as Naruto and other Ashura reincarnated being able to use any Kekkei Genkai as long as it’s limited to the 5 elements and Yin-Yang nature. Second, while his idea to learn to control Biju charka is a good one would it not make more sense to have him learn Sage Mode instead. And finally in regards to his problem with Anko and Shizune going on missions with his clones as well as the Flying Thunder God technique, he should get the help of Minato’s personal guard, Gemma, Raidō and Iwashi, to teach him the basics of the technique, to be his guards since he is now more of a target and to be able to teleport him to Anko and Shizune in the event they need help


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