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Chapter 23

🕑 Added 2023-12-08 05:00:06 +0000 UTC

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TS

Confused. Could this line be clarified? "He’s the man the Navigators have spent the last thirty years sending to learn the rites of Gloam practitioners to see if they can be made into proper Signs." I'm thinking the word 'navigator' or 'students' or something could be put somewhere in there.

Avid_Appletree

No wonder she is so neurotic

Colin Love

Well shit I suppose we don’t the lay of the land when and if it comes time for Tredegar’s resignation talk with Song but reaching said real estate requires navigating plots within plots. The well might just be poisoned too badly for Tredegar to reconcile even if the rest of the 13th can come together. Song seems to be pointing in the right direction to start climbing out at least though. Gotta hand it to Wen he diagnosed the problem and got through to Song back on her feet. The opening by the 49th is a clear sign that irreparably damaging her and Tristian’s relationship is key to making sure the aligned interests against the 13th see them fail. Song going it alone into a plan at best based on leaked information feels like a trap. All the while Maryam is silently dangling in the wind alone as a perceived hated outsider with a potential to be a guinea pig and she’s unsure if she’s going crazy or even has the potential to continue. Looks bad for the 13th no doubt about it I suppose this is where things get interesting.

"You're a fish on a mountaintop". Such epic and original writing EE, I can't find this phrase anywhere, granted it's a variation of "out of water". And I just love this leadership 101 (I dunno maybe this is 201 level) stuff, I'm retired from my Management days, and LMAO at my trials and tribulations in leadership

Jasus

To evri I meant more that Tristan is good at supporting the groups objectives and for Song that is what matters. And Scar_Knight I agree with you Song is more like a business coworker for Tristan, not a friend but someone that you cooperate with.

Scar_Knight

I feel like any dislike Tristan has for Song is just kind of him matching her energy more than anything else. Other than that, I feel like he just *doesn't* really think about her outside of practical matters like figuring out her contract.

Evri

I don’t really see how Tristan coming up with one plan maps to him being supportive of Song specifically, but that might be a semantic thing. And while I wouldn’t call it hate, I still think there’s definitely some dislike on Tristan’s part. He’s needled Song in ways he doesn’t do to Angharad, for instance (see Chapter 4, when Song asks for everyone to share threats that might trouble the group, or Chapter 9, when Tristan mentions trying to pretend to be a Savant instead of a Krypteia). It’s a dislike connected to his general dislike of authority, but it’s still there.

Jasus

I would say she needs to manage them more or better. Until now she let everyone do their own thing and without working together.

Jasus

He was the one who made the plan to rob the other cabal after they themselve where robed, he was the planmaker for the group and as such supportive, an asset if properly used. As for his feelings for Song I think he is ambivalent, not eighter liking nor hating her.

Evri

It is not at all true that Tristan has been the most supportive of Song nor that he has had no beef with her lmao. Like, Song's dislike of Tristan is definitely stronger than Tristan's dislike of Song, but that does not mean Tristan's dislike does not exist.

Avery Cortell

Well, as Wen rather bluntly pointed out, right now she isn't worthy of it. But she does have the right tools and potential. Her pact is incredibly broad and useful, she's a great shot, has extensive knowledge on math and logistics, and some other useful skills. If Song can stop trying to 'manage' them and instead build up trust to lead them, she might be able to become a great captain

Jasus

What leading skills did Song even show? She has known that Maryan and Angharad had beef and had a talk with each of them but that hating on Tristan is as much a problem was not something she saw coming. Especially when Tristan was the most suportive of the Group and her. He did not have any beef with her and was the one with the plans. So what makes her worthy of leading them? Genuin Question

Pedro Manoel Fabiano Alves Evangelista

On rereading, one can see EE is really good at writing characters, because trust issues are shown since the beginning! Angharad trusts everyone that has some social standing because it is the honorable thing to do, and when she discovers she has been lied to, immediately starts distrusting others. Tristan and Maryan built trust on one another because both are underdogs that never had someone trusting them and Song aways acted professionally with the others. Both Angharad and Tristan think that she is distant but in control at some point. Now that this facade is broken, there is nothing there for the cabal to cling to on Song.

A. E.

Wen is being an insightful and helpful mentor, being blunt and unforgiving but not cruel. Guys, I'm scared.

Aurelian Ungureanu

I assume next chapter will have Maryam's pov and we will find out what Tristan's tracking in 2 or 3 weeks' time. My money is on the origin of the beef from the Playhouse event. On that note, I wouldn't be surprised to find out some odd lemure's tenderloin looks and tastes similar to beef. As for Song, I think she needed this brunt talk and will be able to create her own pond to swim in. Though, I am ashamed to admit, Song's chisel feels awfully shallow compared to Tristan and Angharad's defense mechanisms. I know it is personal preference that makes me sympathise with Song the least. That said, I maintain hope she will gather more attention in the future. Her enjoying the thought of shooting Ramona in the stomach being one reason. As Tristan hinted, the chisel is only hiding Song's true self and I enjoy the little glimpses we get.

Avery Cortell

Bit sad we haven't gotten to see Tristan skulking around yet (and Maryam is likely to be next for the talk with Song) But that chat with Wen really was perfect. Hopefully she'll take it to heart and actually learn something.

Big I

Lol, Wen's speech reads like a deconstruction of the "ragtag group of misfits" trope. He's right, they're all crazy

Skeys13

Helped the most in the same way that children who only ever get tough love end up really tough, unable to love, and a little bit crazy. Lol but I am surprised that he is making an effort at all, I still don’t understand why.

Leaf

Now we get to see song start to shine

I knew I liked him. I'm glad he's there. I like how this whole conversation just makes sense to me. Song was clearly trained instead of raised, with very little on the human side.

Matthew Flowers

I hope this is a turning point for Song. She handled the last incident extremely poorly proved what Wen said “least qualified”. I hope Wen gets his flowers for being a good mentor to these ingrates, he has undoubtedly helped them more than most benefactors would I imagine(albeit in a abrasive manner) Worst part of it all was that she was tracking well to earn that leadership before her blunder

Joshua clark

I adore this chapter. Wen is somehow the perfect patron for the 13th.

Joe Rachman

I like Wen a lot - and having a mentor that's a diplomat is pretty invaluable for this particular Cabal. Lot's of interesting conversations with Song to be had while the one with Angharad may be the most dramatic I'm looking forward to the one with Tristan the most...


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