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Chapter 63

🕑 Added 2024-11-01 04:00:05 +0000 UTC

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Joseph

Forcing a god to physically manifest is a way to beat it and Maryam is handling it much better than I thought. The sword masters of Malan sound terrifying to kill mother winter.

Joe Rachman

Opening stages of Battle of the Camps and The Tyrant's finale remain the peaks imho

Morgan Whiting-Fawcett

Not the 13ths contract, but she has discovered the source behind the "assassin" the 19th was after. Will they trade that with the 19th, or cash it in after the 19th is dispatched I wonder?

Poop McScoop

So, uh, literally all of the Watch contracts stem back to Odyssean. My guess is that his temple was probably disturbed for the artifact the assassin used to crack his cage, waking Tupoc's dragon. He's probably getting power from the Ram and Imani's murder rituals. He's also influencing the leadership of both coups, using his guise as Tozi's reaper to push people to republican one and the ram to the noble one. My guess is that he wants another Ataxia to wipe out Oduramai, but what was the first one for, and how will the crowns play in?

Poop McScoop

This story in general has shown an evolution in EEs craft, with quite a few good chapters showing thematic unity. Don't get me wrong, I think we haven't gotten many chapters that match the highs of PGtE, but I think the highs of this story will be a little higher.

Skylar

The habit of taking other guises could mean that the Odyssean is 'Nobody'?

Pteromys Momonga

We know that the Craft can use rituals to transfer souls into another body upon death, but what about splitting the soul of a living person? Could Izolda's unusual addition to the Keeper of Hooks ritual, combined with Maryam's young age at the time, have actually split off part of her soul and the Cauldron with it? What if Hooks is literally part of Maryam? It certainly sounds like Hooks was, at most, dormant before the ritual occurred, then passive until arriving at Tolomontera.

Joe Rachman

I think you mean the god and her pet boy

WaveySky

I'm calling it now. Maryam is going to end up losing the entire Cauldron and the only thing left will be Hooks.

Andrew Duan

Loved maryams section, feels like she’s really growing. Hoping to get an update on Tristan soon though. Miss my boy and his pet god.

Morgan Whiting-Fawcett

So, Angharad has solved another cabals mission- I wonder if they'll use that fact and how? Could be a powerful bargaining chip, or just a way for the 13th to garner some additional kudos from the higher ups

Aguido Horatio Davis

…so who is this shade, then? Where did she come from? Unborn twin?

Aguido Horatio Davis

There is no right end of the knife. Or in this case, tile.

Joe Rachman

Lastly, when this all hits then fan in a major way what's The Watch going to do? It's going to do what the Mandate professor said its job is to do. It will invoke the Iscariot Accords giving the great powers an excuse to back down in a fight they don't want to have but can't leave without saving face. But, I also think we're going to see the treaty strained to near breaking point. Control of the shipyard touches on a vital material interest of Malan and we know the High Queen has broken the Accords but forced the Watch to acquiesce before. This also fits with all the hints we get that the current post-Iscariot world order is under serious strain, and the Watch is getting ready for a storm.

Joe Rachman

Ok final addition to pull it together. In this theory the Odyssean 2.0 mini-me has been taken over and enslaved by the original Odyssean Hated One. What do they do now? Why they're used as the the assassin that Tozi's cabal is tracking. Note how its ability to suddenly appear and kill without a trace paralells Cleon's contract that allows him to walk unseen so long as he does so with the intent to spill blood.

Joe Rachman

Oh yes interesting point. What if its masks and puppets all the way down? But, on the other hand we've already had lots of indications that The Odyssean was a pretty unpleasant character - piratical and wife sacrificing. And, why did the post-Ataxia dynasty start of the Oduramai promotion if not to displace the Odyssean with a sanitised founder god? This is a long shot what if there are two Odysseans? The sealed Hated One is the original. But there's still some small worship of the Odyssean by traditionalists which is unable to reach him behind the Aether seal. The belief is still around though and Asphohdel's weird unstable aether makes it easy for a mini-Odyssean, perhaps less cruel, to pop up. Cleon swears to the second one, but when the first one starts to slip its chains it eats/enslaves/somehow takes over the one Cleon is sworn to.

Pteromys Momonga

I guess the big question is: is the HATED ONE actually the Odyssean, or is it imitating the Odyssean (as well as aspects of the god of death), the way it pretended to be the Golden Ram? Cleon would probably have noticed that, but could the HATED ONE have subsumed the Odyssean recently, leading to the changes Cleon mentioned? What happens to a contract if the god is devoured by or merged with another god? Is the aether seal involved in this?

silvergazer31

I think Maryam's gonna end up taking half, but half will remain within Hooks, and before she can kill her shits gonna go wrong, akin to the "cork" that is the library popping and letting the God out. then she'll be forced to merge with Hooks to survive.

Joe Rachman

Also nice confirmation The Odyssean is a vicious god behind the Ataxia. The Oduromai cult was started by the first dynasty after that as a replacement to replace their founder god with something less vicious, and use the faith to imprison The Odyssean behind an aether seal. The Odyssean, meanwhile, seems to have a specialty of assuming other god's guises. Now and in the past it was the Golden Ram. But, it's also assuming the guise of that god of the dead in Asphodel which also wields a bronze sickle. (Cleon mentions it to Angharad.)

Joe Rachman

Anyone sensing a rather deliberate paralell between Maryam and the cult? Blood and sacrifice for power

Joshua Lueth

My theory, based off of very little, is that the god the cult is worshipping is the Hated One and not the Odyssean. I would have to reread most of the book to get more evidence, but it seems to be foreshadowing to me that Angharad notices so many little things that don't seem to add up.

Haydn Nitzsche

Thanks for the chapter! Interesting parallel between Angie's experience with the cult and the dialog between Maryam and Hooks. Still holding out that there will be some path towards reconciliation between the latter two as I feel they could likely be greater than the sum of their parts together.


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