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The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5

🕑 Added 2024-07-19 00:33:53 +0000 UTC
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5
The Grind (Book 2) Ch.5

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JO LP

I'm amazed that not one of them mentioned the wonders of internal plumbing. Surely they must have come across a bathroom during their stay at Hogwarts? And we know that the castle has modern bathrooms.

CkLance

For you to read as much as you do, you don't seem to comprehend nuance or context. They didn't agree to be anyone's servants. They agreed to an alliance. Ned's internal monolouge points out how he views the situation (ignoring the reader's meta knowledge), unless you outright skipped it. They're celebrating the addition of allies and avoiding immediate war, especially considering over 3/4 of the castle's population would simply be casualties.

Kasikan

I'm just of the thought that you don't happily agree to serve someone if you don't even understand the place. It felt too off that they all cheered at the idea. These people come from the 20th / 21st century. They wouldn't be happy to swear fealty to someone. Sure they're in a world where that's normal now, but it comes off as odd that people who grew up not as serfs would be happy to do so. Then again, since they're British, maybe the idea of serving someone sounds good to them. Just came off as odd to me when most people there wouldn't be happy to serve under others. Whether they're pureblood or muggle born. Neither should have been pleased by the idea of being made to swear fealty to someone they just met.

dryskies_btb

I don't really see it as them swearing themselves to slavery or even servitude really. Bannermen aren't servants of their liege lord, they prop him up. They're the real power behind the title. That's how feudalism works. The king appears to have all the power, but he exists at his lords' discretion. Hogwarts isn't even a bannerman though. They agreed to swear loyalty 'LIKE a bannerman' but slavery is a vast overstatement. The agreement they came to was as a city-state within a Kingdom. That means a pretty decent level of autonomy (historically speaking city-states were essentially Kingdoms unto themselves). It's more of an alliance and compromise than direct servitude. Yes, they are tied to the North now. But even less so than they were tied to the Ministry of Magic in Britain. The North doesn't have any control over them. But Ned can expect at least a token level of loyalty and can work with Hogwarts further from here. And the Citadel agreement wasn't for Hogwarts to act in exactly the same manner as the Citadel. There wasn't any mention of Wizards acting as Maesters. Just that Hogwarts and New Hogsmeade should become the center of knowledge for the North. If anything, that gives Hogwarts more power in the agreement. Beyond that, Hogwarts doesn't really have as much leverage as you seem to think here. They're 400 people - Wizards or not - within a whole Kingdom with more Kingdoms ready to go to war for that first Kingdom. And ~380 of those people are CHILDREN (ish). Students, at least. Their safety comes first in the staff's mind. Any conflict right now would be beyond disastrous for Hogwarts. To end on a side note, the 'bastard' bit is something I actually see as cultural similarities rather than differences. Bastards are still a big deal in Magical Britain. The more modern sensibilities (plus my coven AU) of the Wizards would put their (Pure-Blood) thinking on the same level as Dorne or the North. More accepting of bastards but still with caveats and some discrimination. They wouldn't just insult the idea of bastardry out of hand.

Drake Serr

Once again, I say that I have absolutely no understand or interesting in A Song of Fire and Ice. Even then, I am loving where you are going with this and can't wait for the next chapter to post. Keep up the good work, as you are doing great.

CkLance

Their original world was a non-fantasy world with witch/wizard burning non-magicals (where they were quite literally hunted to the point they created an entire Law of Secrecy) so that's kind of irrelevant. No where does it say "they would love to become servants". It said they'd reach a compromise. It seems more like you're trying to imply they should do the least sensible thing possible instead.

QuantumServer

In the lore of HP only certain contracts are magically binding, special contracts or actions are needed, the arnt fee. Also banner lords just swear to help their beige in time of war, prefer to trade with their lord/ fellow banner men rather then outside that group, and to not turn their blades to their lord or his people. Sometimes their is more, but based on Ned's personality and what he said this is all he asked of them. In return higwarts isn't brought to siege by all of destroy, remeber Ned's sworn brother holds the crown currently. And hogwartd gets easier trade at a better deal.

QuantumServer

Thanks for the chapter!

Kasikan

They just ended up in a place that could very well be filled with witch burning people and happily said they'd love to become servants to a man because he says he owns the place they got displaced to and am confused as to what world would people ever choose that? First they're saying they'll have to build new noble houses in their new land, next minute they're saying they'll happily swear oaths of loyalty to a man. The magical races can actually be bound by contracts. That type of thing would see them all as either slaves or corpses. So am confused how they went from nobility to happy little slaves in the course of a few chapters.

CkLance

NGL, this read like you were expecting a few hundred wizards and witches to show up and behave like power tripping young masters and dare 7 countries to court death.

Based_Bass

Thoroughly enjoyable. Ned and Wyman were perhaps THE best Lords for first contact with Westeros. Two of perhaps the most open minded. Now, like Dumbledore said, I can’t wait to see how the South is going to shit bricks. The Maesters too. To be a fly on the wall indeed. Taking refuge in audacity is a great play.

Kasikan

I find it weird that they were all cheerily happy about being told they'd have to swear themselves into servitude. That didn't make sense at all. The way wizards are with oaths and contracts, the idea of them being happy to swear themselves into basically slavery was disconcerting. There's no reason they'd be happy with that. I could see them laughing at that and saying no, they can come to an agreement, but they'd never be sworn into servitude. If Eddard said there would be war over it, they could just turn around and Fiendfyre the whole lot of them. The adults even being happy about it was even worse. None of what they discussed in that chapter made any sense when it came to discussing them staying there. Manderly saying stuff about fertile land when there's only one town miles from there and no farm land aside from it came off as a man trying to con them out of money over land no one there uses. The North is larger than all the Southern kingdoms put together. They have far more land that's uninhabited than anyone else with a population density so low they may as well be equal to small villages ten thousand years ago in population. So it was odd the way they acted like they were taking up land of value. Then being told about the Citadel and acting like they should be happy to act as slaves again for the houses there should have been shot down hard. The citadel literally is people giving up everything they own to act as servants for nobles. The idea of them saying the people there should become there Citadel was the same as saying they should all give up their names, their property and their rights to serve the lords there for the rest of their lives. I don't see how they wouldn't be offended by that. Pretty much everything that was said by the Northern contingent was putting them down to being servants or slaves. Especially the bastard bit. He could have happily pointed out that its the parents duty to be responsible for the children they create. Calling them bastards and putting them down is them showing that they were nothing more than scum unfit to be parents and never should be allowed to breed. Especially if they can't be responsible for their actions and the children that come from them. Sure that would have offended pretty much all of the Northern contingent, but they were already telling them to swear themselves into servitude. So there's no reason to be kind to them.

CkLance

I really look forward to reading this series when you post 🍿🥹

jp9901

This chapter was a banger. All I'm picturing is Robb and Jon joining Hogwarts and all its traditions. Including the Sorting Ceremony! Explaining and experiencing that for a Stark would be too hilarious to pass up. And I hope Ned telling the truth would help with Jon and his family issues


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