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Book II/Chapter 17: The Thinking of Generals

🕑 Added 2025-06-12 21:35:08 +0000 UTC
Book II/Chapter 17: The Thinking of Generals

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RENAISSANSE SI

Great read on the dynamics there, Murad’s definitely caught between fire and flame. As for Constantine… I’m not sure the Sultan has truly grasped the full magnitude of what he represents yet. He sees a major threat, yes, but not the storm that’s coming.

RENAISSANSE SI

Really sharp insights there, especially on Wallachia and the naval tactics. Small spoiler: yes, Dracula will show up. Can’t say more just yet!

RENAISSANSE SI

Thank you!

Hugo23

Gunpowder production is limited by the amount of saltpeter mostly, it's either mined or made from biological agents (poop). During the 1430's it was only somewhat understood in the west. It was a very valuable resource and carefully managed as such. The largest armies of this time wouldn't have more than a couple hundred arquebuses and perhaps a dozen siege cannon/mortar at most. Constantine's army has 1200 musketeers (who already fire 2/minute so faster than arquebusiers) and 40 field cannon. That isn't including his fleet (I think it was 2 dedicated warships), wall cannon for the hexamillion or any of the garrisons or cities. Frankly shot and powder were a regular worry even in the Napoleonic wars where there were hundreds of thousands of musket wielding soldiers. This is before true mass production of gunpowder, roughly a year after the last major engagement where they used most of the stockpile. That is in addition to the new cannons and musketeers, his consumption is scaling as fast if not faster than his ability to make it.

Gabriel Melnik

If I were Murad I would be more worried about the Greek front rather than Sigismund's crusade given their sizes and equipment. Mostly because the bigger an army's size the slower it moves, so dispatching all his cavalry to tie down Sig while you hammer the Greeks with the jannies, cannons and the levies.

Elaine

good chappie

Sam Wouters

Why would their gunpowder stores be so low? Has their not been time to prepare stockpiles? Or would money be the problem?

Wen L.

Nice bit of history, I was wondering if Wallachia would be playing a role in this crusade, since Alexandros sided with Sultan Murad II in our timeline. Sigismund would be a great target for the Ottoman Empire, his army of 30,000 will be facing two forces from his east in Wallachia and south from Sultan Murad's forces, if I were Sultan Murad, I'd consider him a better target with less favorable land to protect his larger army. As for the Ottoman defense in Thessaly and the Gulf of Pegasi/Demtrius, they would likely have sent their fleet to cut off the Crusaders. However, they probably have not fought Constantine's ships as of yet. Constantine has enhanced his cannons and I assume since he's worked on creating flintlock and bronze cannon tech, he probably has figured out the art of "Grapeshot" i.e. firing a bunch of smaller iron balls at targets. Since the Ottoman navy are likely using galley warships with a single low-lying hull, the grapeshot effectively becomes an older version of a shotgun against crew members who can't hide below decks like they would in 17th century and onwards. You have the tech for grapeshots (flintlocks, iron balls ammunition, and bronze cannons are 16th century same as the origin of the grapeshot concept). Showcasing that kind of artillery on warships will break the Ottoman fleet faster than Sultan Murad II could anticipate Constantine could with his smaller naval forces. Essentially, you can make it similar to the battle of Salamis from antiquity in decisive victory level. I do think Sigismund will likely be flanked and surrounded by Sultan Murad's forces in the north. Wallachia will send forces to try to cut off his retreat. However, there's something Ottoman Sultan Murad II doesn't realize about Wallachia at this point in history. Vlad II, later known as Vlad the Dragon and father of Vlad the Impaler (Dracula), was an old friend of Sigismund, having grown up in his court. Wallachia's nobles were not happy being under Alexandros and Ottoman rule at the time either. Though Sultan Murad might seemingly surround and outflank Sigismund's army in the north, his Wallachian allies will likely be divided in loyalties between the brothers, Alexandros and Vlad. If the flanking move is leaky, Sigismund can pull off a tactical withdrawal, saving the majority of his army. It's still a defeat, but he's not out of the fight. This would force Murad into a holding action, since he's already engaged with the large Hungarian army and cannot expose his flank to return to Thessaly to fight Constantine. The civil war in Wallachia would mean his original plan of cutting off Hungarian retreat is also impossible. However, due to the losses from their initial engagement, Sigismund doesn't have enough forces to directly fight Sultan Murad either, unless he exposes his flank. They have to make mirror movements against each other, until one side finds an opening to escape or reinforcements come in to disrupt the field.

Hugo23

Constantine is dangerous for who he is, the innovations and hope that he is starting to embody both as a religious symbol and an Emperor of an empire that many believe it's glory has faded. Sigismund is dangerous for what he represents, an interested west, one willing to fight Murad and not let themselves be picked off one by one. Murad probably knows that Constantine is more dangerous as an individual and leader but Sigismund is a dangerous Emperor. One that if victorious could have German princes and their retinues come streaming in from the thousands. See the Electors set aside pettiness just for the chance of standing in the next election, a call of prestige and glory (with the opportunity of loot and titles) that helps the here and now. The light calvary and garrisons won't hold Constantine back, but he simply can't let Sigismund go unchallenged, the Ottomans want peace near their capital to show how strong they are and it's simply too large of an army to let roam, even if you are relatively sure of their target. A damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Constantine is the danger of Tomorrow, whereas Sigismund is a danger of Today. Even if Murad recognizes him as the bigger threat it's pretty hard to convince people to march away from an enemy threatening your core lands.

Mineseikea

Would be seen as cowardly, after losing to Constantine multiple times it would signal that Murad is unable to win and that in turn leads to doubt, desertion and revolt elsewhere. No he must engage in battle. Personally I hope Murad wins at a high cost that allows Constantine to still win and conquer but without the need to be afraid of a repeat of the 4th crusade.

russell marsh

Why do I have a feeling that Thomas will do something stupid

Zayari

The juiciest(most symbolic) victory for Murad would be against the HRE however the more strategically effective victory in the long term would be going for Constantine. Constantine is the lynchpin for this whole diversion of history and the rebirth of the Byzantine Empire. Not mention whatever ideas he has to further develop the empire.

Max Müller

Is not facing either of them an option? Turn this into a Fabian Strategy of denying ground and using superior light cavalry to turn this into a nightmare scenario. Use the navy to destroy the enemy navy and slowly strangle the enemies momentum. Any battle is a risk. Winning by not fighting carries far less risk even though it will cost.


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