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Book II / Chapter 32: The End of an Era

🕑 Added 2025-08-05 01:32:22 +0000 UTC
Book II / Chapter 32: The End of an Era

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Anonykor

That’s a really good point. I wonder if a future opponent will use that. Just delay the battle until it’s the right weather

Max Müller

An idea i just had: the battle would have been evry different if it was raining, gunpowder becomes useless

Eriach

Ah, so refreshing to see all of my fellow history buffs -le sigh-

Mineseikea

Well, Constantine now rules the balkans. The ottoman army has been shattered, a child on the throne and the core of veterans dead. The crusaders can fuck it up for Constantine but I doubt they will be a huge problem, sure they can lay claims but what can they really do? Constantine has superior weapons and propaganda spread of a resurgent Rome, I would not be surprised to see revolts against ottoman forces everywhere north of the strait in favor of joining Constantine. There is also the possibility that other regions like Serbia and Albania joining a fellow orthodox instead of a catholic Hungarian in vassalage.

Sif

In all seriousness, this victory will give him political capital that he's going to likely use to dissolve non-Byzantine states in Imperial lands. It will likely require the Pope's personal intervention with Sigismund dead.

pls don't ban me

ok. i did not expect that. i was honestly expecting a cannae battle like when you first mentioned a weak center. but the battle was still awesome. after this costantine will be regarded as a military genius and everyone will think thrice before going to war against him. so we have the bulgarian crown prince, the serbian ruler and the byzantine emperor in the same camp. and the ottmans have just been defeated. i can expect fruzhin to manage to stir up a revolt in bulgaria after this battle. and that will surely be useful.

RENAISSANSE SI

That’s true, and this time, it’s muskets and banners instead of sarissas and phalanxes!

RENAISSANSE SI

Good idea! We did see Constantine start awarding medals back in Book I as a way to recognize valor and discipline. Definitely worth expanding!

RENAISSANSE SI

Yep, next chapter dives into the aftermath and gives us Constantine’s POV of the battle. We’ll get a clearer picture of what just broke… and what’s about to unravel.

RENAISSANSE SI

Thanks a lot! Based on what we know so far, the Venetians were supposed to pull back to Negroponte. But hey, with Venice, you never really know until the ledgers are opened!

RENAISSANSE SI

Right? When it breaks, it breaks, but it was all that slow buildup that made the collapse hit harder. Glad you enjoyed the crash!

RENAISSANSE SI

It sure is the end of an era, and ahead lie Teutonic-scale changes. Can’t wait to dive into the scramble that follows!

RENAISSANSE SI

Ah, great catch, you’re absolutely right. Bayezid was Murad’s grandfather, not father. . Definitely flagging that for correction, appreciate the sharp eye!

RENAISSANSE SI

That’s exactly the heartbeat of it! ΙΕΡΟΣ ΣΚΟΠΟΣ!

RENAISSANSE SI

Thank you!

RENAISSANSE SI

Exactly, a new era begins with thunder and smoke. The old world died on that field… and something sharper, louder, more disciplined rose in its place.

Kirra

It will be interesting to see the map of the Balkans once everything is done. What will the borders look like, what kind of allies and what kind of new enemies will be made? One thing I look forward to is the Bulgarian region. I am interested to see how that whole mess plays out. While it became another free country or will it become integrated as part of the Roman Empire?

Stapet

That was precisely what we were all anxiously waiting for. It was an amazing chapter and described the battle fabulously. My guess though is that right now the hard part is starting. Up untill now everyone was focused against the Ottomans, right now everyone will be scrambling to gain what they can and stepping over each other in this.

ioshf fikry

Not since Alexander has Macedonia seen such glory

de la Fouchardiere

He says he is 12

Ben Robbins

TFTC. Have you considered orders of chivalry a la the Order of the Garter, the Golden Spur, etc? It has the advantage of being an inexpensive way to honor his senior officers and allies. The investment ceremonies, ribbons, sashes, medals, etc would be a great way to satisfy noble pride and additionally be an interesting scene. Also, different medals for his soldiers, such as for those wounded or killed, for various degrees of bravery, etc.

PlumRaven

Great chapter, thanks for writing it. One little issue. Mehmed II was 21 when he took Constantinople (which was going to happen in like 10 years time) so surely Mehmed is child? Not to mention he had multiple brothers, some of whom were older and unlikely to follow a child. While also those who have witnessed Murad declare him sultan will likely not be believed since most of the witnesses will die, and the rest will look exactly like advisors/(Han style eunuchs) seizing the throne with a puppet ruler. As for reclaiming lands, it would be pretty shocking if he wasn’t able to get all the way to Constantinople, especially since most of the Ottoman garrisons in Greece were likely stripped of their men for the army (which was soundly defeated), not to mention the remaining garrisons are very likely to surrender since they are in a heavily hostile area with Constantine coming (who likely will have a mythic-level reputation for his military/administrative achievements). Keep up the good work, as for the Venetians taking Thessaloniki (if their fleet still lingers) it is unlikely that they have the ability to refuse Constantine (and his army) if he pushes it.

TyrantGod

Will you show Constantine POV of the battle? Will there be a Ottomon civil war? What are the Ottomon casualties?

Daniel Hodgson

Excellent chapter. Looking forward to the aftermath, maybe the Venetian fleet has been routed while Constantine was busy? We can hope :)

Max Müller

i think a considerable number survive. Although the butchers bill would be high here is why i believe they arent as bad off: 1) a lot of the casulties normally happens int he pursuit, the crusader cavalry is shot (exhausted), it is in no state to pursue and neither is the infantry. Honestly leeing men just run faster with their lives on the line. 2) this was not as funneled as Domokos. Yes the Ottomans suffered losses my guess is about 1500 cavalry against the knights, 3000 azabs in the center and 1500 sipahi against the center and maybe a third of the force send against the crusader infantry. So total losses about 12.000-14.000 is my best guess which is about a third of their army which admittingly is large but not crippling purely fromt eh nubmers perspective though morale is obviously shot

Max Müller

My guess is: take Thessaloniki, while the ottomans are reeling and morale is at rock bottom, maybe if he is lucky and plays it smart he can negotiate a surrender with the garrison

Aresswe

Damn that was great, im curious what Constantines next steps will be. Thanks for the chapter!

Hugo23

I actually don't think we are going to reach Constantinople, not because we are unable to but because of the exact reasons you listed on why he could. Constantine needs to consolidate, he burned through most if not all of the powder in this fight, he can't really afford to besiege anyone and all the aid from the west is pretty much gone/used. Venice and the Pope won't spring for more without him having to sell off parts of the conquered land and the other allies either have what they want or have their own problems to deal with now. With a surviving Grand Vizier, a prince acknowledged as heir and sultan by Murad publicly before his death the Ottomans can rally. They are a full fledged state with better systems in place than most of the west. What's more is the people in "charge" as much as anyone is know their situation, likely civil war and a number of powers now ready with knives. Personal prediction is that there will be a treaty. The Ottomans need time to reassert control and Constantine needs time to consolidate what he does have and can most certainly demand more. My main reasoning is that before Edessa it was said they have powder for 1-3 major engagements. Right before powder will be of no concern fire until we are out, They don't have the material to besiege and capture anywhere now. They don't have the backing, funding, manpower or supply lines to go on. Just for the initial plan of the crusade is now slogging march from the heights of central Macedonia, re-besiege Thessaloniki and take it, defeat any army that is coming and probably have to take Larrissa as well just so you can take Thessaloniki. That is phase one before Constantinople is a glitter in anyone's eye. The Ottomans don't currently know the Crusaders are essentially out of supplies but they will eventually. They need peace now and we have the advantage of setting those terms.

Hugo23

Murad probably made the only decision that will let the Ottoman Empire survive this defeat, a vengeful prince can be raised, but a broken sultan is left in the dust. He faced Constantine thrice and this was the final loss, morale can survive a couple blows, but these repeated ones finally broke him. Kind of funny to see that it all came down to the Wallachians breaking, goes to show why you communicate with allies rather than expecting them to follow your orders. Alexandru is tainted by both sides now, his banner was on the field against the Crusaders and fled the field before the Ottomans, no way he holds onto his throne. Neither side trust's him enough to be their chosen puppet. It really depends on how much of the Ottoman army remains and how well Halil manages it all but Thessaloniki at the very least is within our grasp. Bulgaria possibly with Iskander there, Albania and Serbia seem to be coming down on the Roman side. This really changes things but the Ottomans are a state, the biggest advantage of a state is that it can absorb losses. It might come down to how well they can hold onto power but I have a feeling they aren't out of it yet.

Kirra

His other son, Şehzade Alaeddin Ali, would be 9 or 10, so I am not sure why he picked Mehmed.

Wen L.

Murad still has Mehmed as his heir, historically Constantine had no offspring

Wen L.

So will Venice

Wen L.

With this final charge the balkans should be firmly free of Ottoman rule. As the strongest land force in the Balkans Constantine is the hegemon of these disparate lands; though, he is not their emperor or king, yet. Constantinople should be captured easily upon hearing of Murad's defeat and death, a lot of the Byzantine who sided with his brother wanted the benefits from Ottomans, but without Murad and a 12 year old on the throne with a much weakened army, it's unlikely they can get much on this sinking ship. I think there will be a murder/assassination plot from within (like most Byzantine coup in the late Empire). As for the rest of the Balkans outside Greece and Macedonia, there's rebel troops and nobles in various areas that have their own ideas and desires. Along with the Hungarian power vacuum, Constantine needs to consolidate his power and improve his holdings, while claiming the right to rule. Perhaps capturing Adrianople would be a good idea. As for Mehmed, like many estimated, he won't have as many troops as he did in our timeline and most of them will be in Anatolia trying to maintain a smaller empire, so the Black Sea will be wide open competition for various Muslim and Christian forces. If Constantine can maintain his momentum, the Ottomans will no longer be a direct threat, but could still cause indirect issues if they form alliance with Timurid remnants and other muslim states to launch a Jihad against the west for lost lands, if the Crusade pushes too far. But after stabilization, he does need to prepare naval development and extend sea trading for the future. I think the best way would be for Constantine to strike west at the weak Emirate of Granada in conjunction with Aragon/Castille forces, under the condition of occupying Gibralter for a naval base and future launching point to the rich sea lanes off Africa-India and the American Continent.

Anonykor

Wow, didn't expect the battle to end as quickly as it did. Great stuff!

Alexander the Smoker

Shouldn’t Mehmed be only 2 at this point in 1434? I understand the symbolism of the actual conqueror of Constantinople seeing the unraveling of Ottoman power, but he realistically is a toddler. Unless this is supposed to be a different son of Murad or Mehmed is aged up in this alternate universe, which would make sense, but events only start happening different after Michael is transported into Constantine’s body.

Kirra

End of an era and start of a new era. It will still be an uphill battle for Mehmed to regain legitimacy after his father's defeats at Domokos and Edessa. But if he can survive and legitimize his rule, he could become the next significant threat. The primary holdings in Europe are most likely also totally lost after this disaster, but it will be interesting to see who gets what.

Oliver Howard

The Pope is gonna be happy.

Gavriil Kourouklis

Actually you might want to change the fact Murad ll father was Mehmed l not Bayzeid at the start of the chapter and end and etc

christian carvacho

So Murad and Constantine swap fate with one standing triumphant while the other dies on a desperate rally with the last of his army truly a great way to end this chapter

russell marsh

As the Ottoman Calvary charge the nearly breaking the Burgundy knights a Roman officer sadly lost to time rally the nearly scattered crusaders by reportedly yelling and waving the twin bammers of the double eagle of the Emperor and the gold and radiant Blue of there distant Prince HOLD THE LINE STAY WITH ME STAY WITH ME ΒΟΉΘΕΙ Ο ΘΕΌΣ, ΝΙΚΆ Ο ΣΤΑΎΡΟΣ! Thanks to his effort and many others on the dust filled valley in the heart of Greece the Ottoman suffered a truly tremendous defeat and the begging of the true reconquest of the old Empire of Rome

Elaine

good chappie

Jan Mantsch

Discipline and Fire Triumphant! Victory delivered by fire and blood! Arise you majesty phoenix reborn from the ashes anew to bring forth glory and Destiny!

RENAISSANSE SI

Haha, good one!

Sif

Now, how will the Venetians fuck this up for everybody?


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