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Book II / Chapter 34: The Weight of the Ledger

🕑 Added 2025-08-12 17:32:34 +0000 UTC
Book II / Chapter 34: The Weight of the Ledger

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Pearl of the Orient

Under the thorn where the council had sat, What do you mean thorn? Thornbrush, Blackthorn, wild rose, cactus? You mention thorn twice in the first half of the chapter

Elaine

good chappie

Hugo23

I agree on Venice although I don't think they will be dealt with as a monolith. The Administrators of Venice's Sato del Mar were real hit or miss on local connections to where they were ruling. Yet they were considered family postings and a way for the lesser nobility to have income, the internal unity gives them a reason to push for the whole pie rather than accepting a slice. Venice knows the income they could get from controlling Thessaloniki but I don't think they have the stomach for the money or reputation they would lose trying to hold it, especially when the Pope and Sforza are friendly enough with Constantine to not be on their side. Personal Prediction is Constantine is going to use Venice/British strategy to get the city, divide and conquer. Something like what you detailed for the Admiral and suddenly the man on the ground isn't willing to attack. The former Administrators could be granted some dock space or a stipend to act as clerks. Venice itself a deal on Tariffs or something like that, even two of the three takes the wind out of their sails and cause division. Then the Orthodox Emperor Constantine shows up with an army, siege engines and says the city is his? They would be lucky if the citizens just expelled them...

Hugo23

Oh Venice made a mistake, if Constantine danced around the issue by the time it would possibly be settled they would have an entire garrison ready to repel him. By stating in no uncertain terms that it is HIS city makes them blink, plato o plomo, silver or lead, either take some money and shut up or back your claim up. Either betray the promises to the Pope and the Crusade very publicly or deal with the army that killed a Sultan. The Admiral is smart, light occupation means he is either intelligent enough to know not to do more than a performative seizure or cautious enough to recognize this is going to come down to a negotiation (not that he knows a dead Sultan makes the negotiation a bit less even). He would be committing reputational suicide to oppose Constantine once word of Murad's death spreads. Really clever of George and Constantine to do the loot that way, everyone gets a share after the ones with nothing get something. That could have turned ugly if the Hungarians and Serbs didn't get anything, especially with how... acquisitive the Burgundians are acting. @Empire Rewritten, Out of idle curiosity, did Constantine do anything special with a portion of the money or did it go out equally? Like setting some aside specifically for Hungary and Sigismund?

Wen L.

Glad to see everyone happy with their wealth :) Just a reference from history, 90,000 ducats is a lot of money. Around 1458, King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary had an annual income of 250,000 Florins, which are equal in value to Venetian Ducat, so it's approximately 1/3rd annual revenue of Hungary. The Entire Burgundian army around 40K men was about 400K per year during a single year of Hundreds Years' War, so it's about 3 months of military pay money in equivalence for Murad's army. This makes sense as Murad thought 3 months would be enough to take out Constantine. Venice is going to want a cut of the 90K for their time. I think some modern business mechanics can help Constantine out here. Negotiating terms should be second nature to a modern businessman like him. The Venetians are businessmen at their heart and each Admiral could be a potential Doge (the name of their leader, not the crypto coin or US dept). If Constantine can get a deal with the Admiral of the Venetian fleet for a lucrative trade like a print shop exclusive to Venice with 50% cut of profits to the Admiral's family, you might not need to spend any money. The business venture would tie Byzantine interests to Venice and could be pivotal to the ongoing Lombardy Wars fought by Milan against Venice. It's a good thing to establish business ties with Emperor Constantine than make an enemy of him, since he's nominally in control of the Balkans now.

pls don't ban me

well, time to contact the genoese. I'm sure they are dying for giving Venice a beat down

Anonykor

I think the Venetians know they can’t actually hold the city and are just doing it to weight the scale a little more in their favor during post-Crusade negotiations. It costs them nothing and it’s another line item for when they discuss what they really want. “We took Thessaloniki and then gave it back. See? We did something! Give us a better trade deal!”

Sir Baka

Ah, the wealth from the Ottoman Camp does not disappoint. I wonder if this was a later addition when the comment bought it up in the previous chapter, lmao. The Venetians… are really bold, huh. So far they haven’t really bled too much, from what I understand, and have basically just been snatching ports that shed their garrison due to fear of Constantine’s arrival. Hnm… I want to hope that they can be convinced to just lease, or maybe transfer the ports in a a few years time or so, instead of fall to infighting. Especially after Constantine managed to basically save the Crusade that nearly got stopped in its infancy. Surely the other leadership within the army will back Constantine up in the debacle… Anyways, thanks for the chapter!

RENAISSANSE SI

Yeap, with Halil Pasha firefighting and a rattled heir in motion, the only rational play is to pull tight around the core and stop the bleeding. Thessaloniki would just eat men they can’t spare right now.

Max Müller

Guess Constantine is not the only one which is able to play politics. Honestly this was probably the smart thing to do, since they would not be able to hold it anyways. Splinter the unity in the christian camp Now i think Constantine has the stronger hand because if he is willing to throw down it will hurt but venice will hurt more from this. After the Fourth Crusade, no one trusts them to not backstab the Byzantines and frankly the pope needs Constantine a lot more than he needs the venetians ( even if he is a venetian himself), so his Legate will side with Constantine i believe. Lastly heated shots wrecks wooden ships.

Davada

You don't play chicken with a man who has thousands of soldiers right outside the city your in

Davada

Constantine can definitely strong arm them into giving up the city in exchange for some trade privileges

Zayari

And honestly the Venetians trade empire has always been a bit unstable with them constantly adding a losing ports. Venices’ might is it’s Navy which loses effectiveness when you have cannons that can smash ships from the shoreline

Zayari

Also I just realized that the HRE will likely never come to full prominence like it did in our timeline thanks to The Emperor dying and Constantine “succeeding where the Germans failed” even if people rationally know a lot of people have been defeated by the ottomans. A lot of people would likely take this as a divine symbol of the righteousness of Orthodoxy because surely God was with them and not the HRE if so small a force can defeat the mighty Ottomans. Lol prepare for a new religious movement that will force the Catholics to take a harsher stance in fear of losing their monopoly on the faith

russell marsh

I knew this was going to happen ugh, that's it who wants lion chicken wings

Zayari

If the unification of the church doesn’t happen it will be because as usual the Venetians got too greedy. A Greek army is not going to want to “unify” with people who continually force themselves on their homeland. Especially now that they have finally started to retake it.

Sam Wouters

They would have enough to match onward for another prize, if the venetians do not take to fight , they could help supply for another few weeks march mayhaps, if they don't have to waste the powder?


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