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Book II / Chapter 35: The City Kept for Christendom

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Book II / Chapter 35: The City Kept for Christendom

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Wen L.

Agree that he needs to consolidate his power and take the frontiers. North of Thessoloniki is Rumelia/Bulguria, which is the wealthiest and main granary of the Ottoman Empire in the region. Take it and he will gain a lot of supplies in the future. As for the campaign next year, I think we might be losing people like Jean and the Burgundians, the Hundreds years war isn't over yet and they will need to make their historic appearance on the Side of France after Burgundy breaks with the English. However, with Sigismund early death, a lot of things are thrown in the air right now. Are the Habsburgs going to make their move earlier for HRE control? What about Hungary and Bohemia, which had just rebelled recently?

Wen L.

Agreed, Constantinople is too close to Edirne and it would be a very costly campaign to fight cornered enemies, who can join their forces out of fear. I also agree on consolidating power and focusing on the Balkans. My target though is bordering Rumelia/Bulguria province, which is the wealthiest and largest grain producer in the region for the Ottoman's in hte 15th century. Acquiring it would rob Ottomans of future supplies, plus bolster Constantine's forces. Plus, later on, it is discovered that Bulguria possessed luxury resources, i.e. rose oil and lavendar oil, key to perfume making. In the Medieval/ Renaissance, people don't bathe alot and perfume was a major luxury item that everyone in upper/middle merchant classes would buy. Good resource to have and sell

Max Müller

The thing is: the ottoman navy still exists in the field and presents a major issue for the Crusader fleet if they were to engage

Max Müller

While i agree he should try to sow dissent in Constantinople, i disagree with letting Demetrios off in any form. Given the banner he has raised, he needs Demetrios to be punished for killing their brother.

visoled

My thought with Agriculture was Inviting Dutch farmers to settle land and get some of their farming innovations as well.

Max Müller

1) hope next chapter we get a summary of the butchers bill on both sides 2) guess i was right about the papal side playing it smart 3) what the wisest course of action is: Firstly i think going for Constantinople right now would be a mistake. Both politically and militarily. Liable to get flanked by the Ottomans the whole way and stuck at the end with a hard siege. Additionaly the moment he takes Constantinople, the unification of the church becomes topic again. So hard no for now Best Choice in my opinion: Clear the enemy positions to the rear. Take the ottoman territory towards the west, prepare for the next years campaign, train new troops, get supplies stockpiled,etc. This wont be a fast war even if it is tempting to try and go for Edirne.

pls don't ban me

edirne is too mich right now. focus on creating a soldi border. all of modern day greece, Macedonia ans Albania. take control of the Tocco domain and then you can shift focus in a next crusade on the remaining lands in the balkans

Vuk Stefanovic

Consolidation and rebuilding + scouting the frontier and siezing everything abandoned... constantinople is a lofty goal and a city of worlds desire, but out of rech cuz no troops/powder/provisions ... crusade can continue next year

Zayari

As much as I want to go for Constantinople it’s literally a stones throw from Edirne and such a move would most certainly see them rally together even if it’s just scraps they could pull together. Not to mention just how much it would stretch Constantine’s somewhat thin army during peace time. Some of us are forgetting that alot of these places will need investment to restore to their former glory. Our best bet would consolidating(if possible) Serbia and Albania under the empire if possible with promises protection from the Ottomans or otherwise as we’ve now proved twice over that we can not only defend our territories but go on the offense as well. This is not even counting all the Greeks and other minorities in the Ottoman Empire that will likely flee to our territory as they see we can defend them from Ottoman Tyranny. We’re going to have ALOT to deal with between juggling unification of the church, consolidation of new territories, building of new infrastructure, not to mention the ottomans went scorched earth during their march. I understand every wanting to jump on the chance to expand while we have the “extra help”, but using them to expand comes with “expectations” whereas we can literally go on campaign again next on our own after we’ve consolidated more and we won’t owe them anything for what little help the West actually gave outside of Burgundy. Leave Thomas to sulk in Constantinople as it hasn’t really served as the capital for awhile by this point and is more symbolic. Come up with an acceptable excuse for why it wasn’t taken then simply take it alone next year so that there’s no papal funny business. Thomas can be left to fret and wither away in the capital until the people/courtiers/nobles inside are literally begging Constantine to come take it back at which point we can swoop in like hero’s to liberate them from our Treacherous brother. We can still work towards unification without Constantinople plus this will show us if the pope is simply interested gaining more religious sites under his control or actual unification of Christendom. Also have we consider how the Papacy is going to react to this leros Skrepos(likely spelled it wrong) especially if Constantine’s connection to it is discussed. The pope has shown he’s willing to use force to crush errant religious movements I don’t honk he’ll take well to one seeking to unite all “Abrahamic” religions under one banner.

TyrantGod

Need to take Constantinople if they can and if they can use strategy instead of force. Ottomons are broke, use looming civil war & divisions to chip away territory. Eat from the edge instead of the center of the hot porridge.

Hugo23

Do we have the numbers or support to do so? The Crusade is gutted to perhaps half of it's original size, Sigismund is dead and the Hungarians need to go home. Would Albania answer with it's muster knowing it not only has to supply and pay it's own men but help with others as well? They don't have the powder for more than one engagement, they don't have the numbers for multiple. It would be a bluff they couldn't afford be called to march farther into Ottoman lands. Goals are great and all, but they have to bow to reality, and the reality is the Ottomans have the numbers still, and Constantine doesn't have enough to offset those numbers. The supply and manpower situation can't be solved quick enough that the Ottomans wouldn't recover before the question is rendered moot.

Wen L.

Without heavy cavalry due to their defeat in Macedonia at Constantine's hands, the Ottoman Empire are unable to take offensive action and no longer can project power in the Balkans. If I were Constantine, I would shore up the recent gains and capture the undefended Ottoman frontiers, isolating the routed forces that retreated to Edirne/Adrianople. It's late in the Campaign season, but you can still take a good chunk of land that's important for future development. My key target is Rumelia/Bulguria, the Ottoman's wealthiest province in Europe and main granary. If Constantine can control Bulguria, plus Greece and Macedonia, he essentially can pull off a second Alexander the Great's move to conquer a new Empire. Rumelia has not been mentioned in your story yet, so it's a good idea to establish it as a big target for occupation/liberation. There's also a lot of natural resources that can't be procured in Constantine's current landholdings, i.e. Rose Oil and Lavender Oil (key ingredients for perfume, which in an era with limited bathing options would be a luxury item if mass produced). By taking Rumelia/Bulguria, the Byzantine can threaten Constantinople and Edirne in the east, force Wallachia and northern Ottoman vassals to capitulate as the Ottoman land routes are cut off, further exacerbating Ottoman supplies in Edirne. As for Venice, I think they want to occupy further East and cut-off the Ottomans by capturing the Sea of Marmara by taking over the cities on its northern coast at the mouth. However, long-term, if Venice controls this vital waterways for Constantinople, essentially making Constantine beholden to Venice for sea access if they go that route. This also grants Venice control over the Black sea as it's the mouth of the Bosphorus straits. Papal forces would be weary of Venice expanding its naval power, so I think the Cardinal will side with Constantine in taking Bulguria first and promising it land grants to several island in the Ionian sea, between Greece and Turkey, controlled by Muslim forces.

Paxmorgana

I think that the Sultan's body must be remanded to the Ottomans as soon as possible, perhaps doing so at Serres. If Serres is also abandoned, then garrison and move to Edirne to return his body. Time is of the essence here to avoid grave insult, and better to have the Ottomans fight over succession at length than going on suicide missions avenging lost honor or bolstering their remaining holdings in Europe. If Serbia is serious about marrying in, and if Thomas is still single (I forget, he can act childishly sometimes), marrying him off in exchange for potential help next war season to pincer Nis and the other cities between them and Thessaloniki may be a wise move in the long run. Breaking the Ottomans as thoroughly as just happened opens a lot of doors, but unfortunately it may also become a race to see who can grab the most land first.

Ben Robbins

TFTC. I don't believe the Ottomans can offer significant resistance at the moment, and probably not for some years. The greatest danger is someone competent assassinating the Sultan and taking control of the remaining Ottoman lands and forces, but that would likely create even more division and strife. This may be a good time to get his agent (I forget his name) to stir up a bit of trouble in the Ottomans heartland. Constantine should take council with the Balkan leaders to set boundaries on their lands and draw up trade and defence treaties. He also needs time to rebuild and repopulate the land he has reconquered. And he needs to build up a stockpile of gunpowder, rest, and refit his troops, and recruit. If he's going to take the rest of the Empire back, at least to Constantinople and it's environs, then he will need more men for garrisons, border guards, training cadres, reserves, etc. He also needs money, so widespread increased agricultural productivity is essential, as it not only produces more tax revenue for I'm, but it also frees people to work in other profitable areas, or to join his military or administration.

Hunter197

Serbia remains loyal to the cause. Albania in revolt. The coalition controls up to Thessaloniki. Wallachia has betrayed the Ottomans in their moment of need therefore for them the die has been cast they might be able to be brought into the Christian fold coalition. There are only three options as far as I can see. Push to Edrine the Ottoman stronghold on this side and take it via seige. Liberate Bulgaria. Or in my recommendation push towards Constaintinople and draw the Ottomans out of Edrine. The coalitions goal has always been Constantinople. Constatine's secret goal and agreement with the Pope has been the reunification of the churches that is impossible without Constantinople. On top of that the Ottomans might attack them but it doesn't matter because from the rear but just like at Thessaloniki Edrine should be bypassed it does not matter if you can win the true prize. At least that is my recommendation. Likewise as someone else mentioned the line of Orhan Çelebi is somewhere and Ottoman intrigue is ever present. But loving the story and will love it wherever it goes

Alexander the Smoker

Consolidating their territory and strength is imperative for fending off any potential attacks from the Ottomans. With the death of Murad, they’re in disarray, but Constantine’s lack of gunpowder could become a problem. Sending a diplomatic message to Demetrios in Constantinople might also be beneficial. With the Sultan dead, his base of support is shaky and might be willing to acknowledge Constantine as the Emperor. It would also prevent a siege of the city and prevent further bloodshed. As for gaining further territory, scouting the area for Ottoman armies is essential, especially given the chaos that would unfold in Edirne. Albania is already guaranting the west is secure with their revolt. Securing the north would help, considering the Serbian ruler proposed his daughter’s marriage to Constantine, it would keep his northern border secure while he could advance east into Thrace and Bulgaria.

Hugo23

Well Venice is expressing some... doubts? This feels very much like someone was given marching orders that they really disagreed with but too many voices said to do it. Loredan played it as smart as possible, Condulmer probably had to lean into the holiness pretty hard to get everyone to at least remove the hand from the hilt. Larissa is the most obvious choice and one that needs to be taken. Thomas and Andreas will be in agreement for once about the target between supply lines and it's now cut off from reinforcements. Venice needs to be appeased and hopefully they will just take money. Albania and the Tocco lands are possibility but it really comes down to what the Ottomans do. The Crusade has the momentum, it has the opportunity but the enemy gets a say to. Realistically though the crusade might need to be declared done, Sigismund is dead and his lands are in chaos. With no more aid from the North and Hunyadi needing to depart, likely with Serbian aid then a large portion of the ground forces depart. That takes away a third, the Venetians probably will declare we have fulfilled our obligations and need to leave. Leaving Burgundian forces and the papal squadron as our only allies of note. Between that and the fact that the last chapter mentioned "we have the powder to frighten a town, not a country". The Ottomans are still a country, not a particularly unified one but one that will if an outside enemy presents itself. Now granted we could keep going, say the crusade lives on and draw in more resources but it would take time. Once such a thing is unleashed you can't put it back in the bottle, the Ottomans will have a foe to unite against and they won't wait for allies to arrive.

Elaine

good chappie

Davada

Looks like venice was smart enough to not play chicken ofcourse good chance they'll want to take the minor port of demitras they occupy and a share of the loot from the ottomans but they should still rewarded since there still a very important trade partner had some contributions to the war and are willing to make concessions like giving up the city to rightful byzantine rule

Artherion

It all depends on ottoman army disposition and capability right now. Can a push be made further east? If so, dardanells straights should be the target, if you can cut off the turks from Asia, you can choke their European possesions. If the ottomans are capable of fielding a solid fighting force, then I would suggest advancing onto Serres, createing a buffer zone and liberating lands until Skopje. Linking with Serbia, and securing Albania. Ottomans are likely to go through internal strife, or should be bussy in Asia at least.

russell marsh

My Emperor, my Lords and your Eminence we are at a crossroads while the Turk is wonded and confused we are also exhausted if we have the strength to move on The queen of cities then let's but we must rest for a time and if we hold them let's us fortify what we have and Wait for spring that is my counsel

FantaMan

To add: The crusader armies would probably demand more for going on though, Venice doesn't do things for just 'piety', they always want something out of it.

ioshf fikry

I think it too late in the campaign season to advance any further i recon that the allies would benefit more with the consolation of thessaly( Larissa) and Macedon, also Constantine has little to no gunpowder to feed his guns and needs time to import and make more of it( not to mention more guns). lastly Constantine should use this time to expand his army( and by extension his influence in the crusade)

Gavriil Kourouklis

Grand vizer halil pasha would negotiate maybe giving up lands south for a decade peace untill varna then you should take Macedonia and Evros and send Orhan Celebi to asia minor and give some asia minor lands

FantaMan

I feel like they should try to take all of the ottoman territories in Europe because that would allow Constantine to have some more time to focus on building in his territory and also the ottoman empire would then be in an even more chaotic spot, trying to deal with all sorts of rebels. However I feel this should only be done if he can convince the crusading armies to go on further, as then he has a far stronger army. It may be difficult in the short term to maintain this war for sometime more but I feel like it would be really good in the longterm.

de la Fouchardiere

Check Edirne for strong resistance ; If none, take over all of Balkan greece, consolidate, then head for constantinople. If it's gates don't open by themselves anyway

Gavriil Kourouklis

Oh yes, here we go!


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