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The Black Loch: The Collected Free Versions - Also, news about the next big project.

🕑 Added 2022-11-25 15:38:23 +0000 UTC
The Black Loch: The Collected Free Versions - Also, news about the next big project.

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Milby's Maps

I didn't draw maps of Demonstone or Azitri Island, I just wanted to give the islands names. I don't have a discord, but I've been thinking about starting one lately, so there may be one before too long. If I decide to start one, I'll put up a post about it.

Tyler Teece

Hey, I had two questions, One about this specifically and another in general. I was looking around for the map that corresponds to "Demonstone" or "Azitri Island" I think I looked everywhere but I was wondering if I missed it. The other is there a discord for this community? I would love to join if so

Milby's Maps

Sorry for the late reply, I just got back from my holiday trip. It's my pleasure, good luck with the campaign!

KoonFox

thank you sooooooo much for posting this collection! i'm steering my whole underdark campaign into a version of the black loch!

Milby's Maps

The missionaries fleeing persecution is brilliant! That'd make them even more sympathetic.

Milby's Maps

That's mostly what I had in mind. I figured the newcomers might be the reason why the wild elves' culture was beginning to unify and settle, since they might need to band together against the threat.

Silas

One option for the second civilisation could be a non-local civilisation. So an outpost of an empire based beyond the island chain.

jondowner

Yeah I think there could be a lot of nuance there, as well as multiple angles for potential conflict between the two groups. Just spitballing ideas, to ensure the missionaries get some sympathy they could either be from a clearly-benevolent faith like you say or a newer sect fleeing persecution from a less than benevolent establishment. And for the elves, the missionaries would essentially be an invading force, upsetting centuries of carefully-maintained balance on the island.

Milby's Maps

Or, to go with the dragonborn idea, maybe they're the last survivors of the ancient empire that lies in ruins elsewhere? Maybe they came to the island to get away from whatever happened to their home?

Milby's Maps

Also, what if the missionaries were from a good society with a benevolent deity? It could create a situation where there's a conflict, but nobody is the clear good guy or bad guy.

Milby's Maps

What would an advanced lizardfolk civilization look like? Do you have any thoughts on that? I imagine it as an advanced version of an Incan/Aztec/Mayan culture, but I'm not really sure what that would be like.

Milby's Maps

I hadn't thought of that, but I really like the idea of making it a religious-based conflict! Or at least adding a religious dimension to it.

Milby's Maps

I could see maybe aquatic elves, since that would allow for some buildings on land. I think adding aquatic kingdoms to the setting would be cool.

Milby's Maps

I love the idea of an island covered in the ancient ruins of a dead civilization and I've been thinking about something along those lines, but I think it needs its own island.

Milby's Maps

I hadn't really thought of that, but having the wild elves be the advanced people would definitely be a cool direction to go with it.

jondowner

Perhaps the other civilization is a sort of monastic/missionary group spreading their distant faith across the islands?

ComradeDoose

What about merfolk, taking up the role of merrow and other aquatic creatures from celtic folklore? They could be upset that the elves are moving away from their "perfect" wild and natural way of life, and trying to break down every aspect of civilization the elves are building up?

Rob Spirko

Ooo. Now I'm imagining a capital city/island that's now a haunted ruin after some doom came to it.

Rob Spirko

Yes, the Celt/Roman trope is strong, but I agree resisting it would be more original. The downside to tribal lizardfolk is that everything's tribal now. (Oops! All tribal! )And contrast is good. Maybe a culture of advanced lizardfolk or dragonborn in decline? Maybe they had extensive holdings on a number of islands and that could be a thru line. Like, they lost their good navigators (think about what almost happened with Oceanic cultures and navigation). Couldve been through cultural disregard, could've been deliberate malfeasance. Could be a bit of both. But it sets it up so there are still scattered across the world some ruins, some maintained towns/keeps, in whatever architecture you'd like to draw a fair amount of. Just a thought.

Philip Mayhew

The temptation to do highly civilized, perhaps Roman, dwarves in juxtaposition is real, but I think it would be more interesting/unique if the newly civilizing wild elves are the *more* civilized of the two. Maybe tribal lizardfolk or something.


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