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Konstantin's Reflections on our BAD FAITH criticism
🕑 Added 2023-02-20 13:40:41 +0000 UTCJust in case you missed it.
Here is Konstantin's reaction to our critical episode and some Twitter shenanigans.
The article he references from the New Statesman is here: https://www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2023/01/konstantin-kisindont-interivew-misrepresent-me
It is a harsh article, which is actually all I said about it on Twitter.
Counter to what Konstantin implies the New Statesman also did not admit to making things up. They removed a single quote of Konstantin telling the journalist it would be bad for him if he misrepresented Konstantin. The journalist did not have a recording (as it is alleged to have happened when leaving when the interview was over) and so the New Statesman demurred likely to avoid hassle. They also made two minor edits to wording that Konstantin complained about. These were irrelevant to the core message of the piece. Nonetheless, it's the kind of thing that lets Konstantin paint himself as a victim of a biased media.
Not hugely relevant to us but it gets lumped in together and used to dismiss the validity of any points we raised.
Ho hum... this is a rather familiar pattern, as our last bonus episode discussed!
Comments
Exai
I wouldn't mind him so much if he wasn't a professional political influencer, but Kisin is basically a Dave Rubin tier mouthbreather. It's so disheartening how to become some overnight viral sensation, you basically need to be a helpless idiot shouting down imaginary or at least absent opponents, with not the slightest ability to tell apart rhetoric from argument. That's the audience, after all.
NIALL DAVISON
Like Will Lloyd, I actually quite like the Triggernometry podcast. at times (and I actually like Douglas Murray, please don't hate me). Although Francis is very much the Andrew Ridgeley of the duo, he seems to have stayed pretty grounded while Konstantin's ego and smugness has gone off the scale. He would remind you of a cat licking it's own asshole. On numerous occasions he has suggested that they are trying to get away from the woke stuff, but literally every other episode is still about wokeness. When Michael Schellenberger told them "you are part of the IDW whether you like it or not" you just knew Konstantin was getting an erection. That's where he sees himself - "look around mate, we've made it." Despite Kisin and Foster's "comedy background" I've never found either of them particularly funny (Chris and Matt are funnier, and they're just a pair of academic geeks) but Konstantin's "not very bright" comment really did make me laugh out loud. Maybe he is funny.
Eleanor curry
Alas, in his response here it is Mr kisin who appears to have exposed himself as not being very bright. Shame he's gunning for you guys now but you predicted he'd behave this way, hence the reticence regarding posting the speech analysis beyond patreon ey I thought your speech analysis was remarkably kind and gentle! You guys just looked at his argument logically and philosophically and why it wasn't holding up as a good one. He's taken it so personally!
Daniel
The journalist may have taken umbrage at Kisin's "don't misrepresent me" because it questioned his integrity. It's like telling a chef "and don't spit in the food". So Kisin got represented all too unflatteringly accurately.
Daniel
Kisin said Chris & Matt misrepresented his argument that "poor people don't care about climate change" as "poor people don't care about the environment", and they are therefore both stupid and acting in bad faith. Correct me if wrong but I think Chris & Matt were saying there's reason to think poor people do care about the environment *in general*, so poor people would probably care about climate change *in particular*. In other words, they were making a point by deduction, not broadening Kisin's claim.
Artemis Green
'not very bright and acting in bad faith' - PLEASE make this part of the official description of the podcast somehow 🤣 edit: or how about 'the role that we pretend to play is actually extremely important'🤣 🤣 🤣
Artemis Green
'a relatively small podcast called decoding the gurus'... hey! weren't you guys in the top 200 in slovenia at some point? :P I think Kisin misunderstands what I understand to be your fundamental task, which isn't to point out where gurus 'go wrong' but rather to examine how the gurus structure their rhetoric and where the points of weakness/strength are in those structures.
Jason Etheridge
Chris, what lies have you been spreading about KK? Or more precisely, what truths are you spreading that he perceives to be lies?
Christopher Kavanagh
Meh, I don’t like the shots at appearance but it seems to me like a political journalist meeting a dilettante culture warrior.
Mark
No love for Kisin but that New Statesman article is a glib little hit piece with even less substance than Kisins speech.
Conal dunn
This is such a strikingly unoriginal monologue that reeks of plagiarism so I wonder if it was in fact generated by AI that had been instructed to produce a defence of one’s misanthropy alleging that comments were purposely decontextualised and thereby misrepresented in the style of horsy weeperson the dao de jing the King James Bible etc
Kat
For those who believe in their own rationality, critiques of it can really hurt
AJ
Odd that he refers to what he’s saying here as “reflection.”
Heath Lancaster
Kisin really seems to think he’s like a powerful unique thinker when he’s just your typical center right “wokeness is the worst thing in the world” blow hard that is SUPER popular right now.
Tom McCool
What a risible person. Apparently he is fixated on being taken most seriously because he’s what? Russian? To me he’s just a poor, poor personality. Good day sir! I said good day.
Tim Tripp
Wow did he imply that Jordan Peterson is a centrist? Incredible. To me he is being somewhat pedantic regarding climate change and the environment, also quite wrong if he thinks they are separate. Also I do not think he came out as well as he thinks he did when he appeared on this podcast; he dodged questions repeatedly with his 'why don't you ask me what I think' shtick. I guess you guys really hurt his feelings, so much so he chose to insult you.
Curtis Kofoed
Kisin is such a thin skinned fraud - an absolute midwit.
Greg Binder
He is fixated on misrep
Evan Bingham
Civility porn seems like the most effective counter to bad faith criticism.
