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Supplementary Material 11: Alex Jones is at it again

🕑 Added 2024-07-27 08:06:19 +0000 UTC

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Sarah S

The DTG subreddit seems to hate Michael so I wonder if that influenced this choice.

Bobby Wayward

Yes and a sore brain

Lina Neild Robinson

Does anyone else get a sore throat when they listen to Alex Jones?

Bobby Wayward

I have listened to enough of this podcast to trust the hosts characterization of what these people they are spotlighting have said. (Because they attach actual audio quotes to support their assessment) I’m glad to have reached this level of trust with them so that I may skip through the cringiest Alex Jones clips and get the cliff notes from the guys. Keep it up!

Hugh Crow

Bari Weiss and The Free Press have been overtly partisan since Trump overtook the primaries. Most of their editorial pieces now are straight party line.

Jonathan Southern

I only follow 2 patreon channels: dtg and conspirituality. Patreon's top recommendation for me? Red Scare 😅

Monica B.

Great episode! I find Alex Jones so disturbing : ( That was hard to listen to! Also totally agree with Matt that hearing current staffers talk is encouraging, and the distinction of their being ‘not weird’ was spot on! It’s like you know it when you se it, and I felt I knew just what he meant. Thanks for the work!

Monica B.

Yes you do!!! : )

Monica B.

I’m both dreading and sooo curious for their take! I’m a fan, and just don’t see him as a guru!

David Noble

Haha, libertarians are always good for a laugh.

Nina Davies

She doesn't mention it! She is pretty clear that she though that the last Tory government were awful - she never liked Boris Johnson and I suspect she quite likes Keir Starmer. She still reads the Daily Mail though but hasn't sent me cuttings from it for a few years now!

Christopher Kavanagh

Also true (for Moynihan 😉)!

Adam Sher

I think there is a similarity in your and his ability to rant for very long periods which are major pluses to your respective podcasts.

Christopher Kavanagh

Yeah, agreed. I still like the Fifth Column but find the blind spots/indulgence rather annoying.

Adam Sher

Or maybe this one https://chrt.fm/track/288D49/chrt.fm/track/384D27/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/sxm.simplecastaudio.com/853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7/episodes/c210fa69-15ad-4fea-a17e-feab9286bffe/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7&awEpisodeId=c210fa69-15ad-4fea-a17e-feab9286bffe&feed=RV1USAfC

Linda Sears

Has she regretted that position, Nina?

Adam Sher

Possibly this one. It's hard to tell because Kelly will start to rant on something that's not in the show notes https://chrt.fm/track/288D49/chrt.fm/track/384D27/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/sxm.simplecastaudio.com/853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7/episodes/502ca599-b0a1-4498-b963-97e9171b7f0a/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7&awEpisodeId=502ca599-b0a1-4498-b963-97e9171b7f0a&feed=RV1USAfC

Adam Sher

I think Moynhian would be a good guest on DtG and would handle the criticism with aplomb

Adam Sher

I grant a lot of that. He is similarly indulgent of Shadi when he's been on the Fifth so while there may be a bias in quantity of right v left people he extends it to both

Christopher Kavanagh

Yeah, I don't really buy that 1) because he expresses similar opinions on the pod, 2) he is not consistently indulgent, 3) he works for the Free Press and Megyn Kelly for a reason, 4) the DeSantis event... I like Moynihan but he's not scrupulous when it comes to applying criticism. He treats Anna with kid gloves that he would not many other people.

Adam Sher

Moynihan talks to Batya a bit, and she comes on the pod. It's clear they don't agree with basically anything she advocates but The Fifth gents do place very high value on civility.

Adam Sher

Moynihan said on many occasions he let's people speak and makes his views clear on the pod where he otherwise talks almost uninterrupted for 2 hours. I grant that this approach can give the impression that the guest speaker's views are more acceptable or thought through than they otherwise would be. In addition, it requires the listener to be very familiar with MM's content in order to get a sense for why he's interviewing a person. I felt the Ana portion wasn't that significant and the other people he interviewed provided more substance to analyze.

Rambo Billy

https://catholicherald.co.uk/interview-soon-to-be-catholic-tammy-peterson-on-marriage-religion-and-the-power-of-femininist Not sure if people have come across this article. Interesting to see how immersed the alt right is with extreme religious groups. Even konstatin gets a mention if you search for articles for jordan Peterstone in the heralds article search engine.

Ema Corro

I was surprised when they said that... Realised I follow three of his podcasts (so maybe he is a bit of a guru), but always saw the cohosts as slightly more charismatic.

Nina Davies

My Mum is in her 80s so can remember a time pre-NHS so is completely on board with vaccines and anything else doctors suggest she do! However, she voted Brexit because ..... something about the French and fish and something about life being better when we pickled our own onions and made our own jam during the war.

john statham

I much prefer these compilation episodes as I find the subjects too insufferable on the ‘depth’ issues. I was not disappointed in the Moynihan criticism and hope that he hears it. Not nearly enough Andrew Gold though. He’s gone full in on anti- Gender spite, 3 years too late.

Will

Say what you will about what he does with it, but I would say that Jordan is obviously an intelligent guy. Tammy comes across as an absolute airhead and I'd suspect Jordan prefers it that way.

Gavin Ryan

These gurus… so smart at being so stupid

Griffia

It was about a year ago, Megyn Kelly was going on about something in the news of someone cross dressing at work and all 3 shut her down pretty quickly. They seem to have a thing at this point where they talk about what the agree on and there's a mutual tempering of views. I will give it too them that they do offer a more independent libertarian tempered view to her audience. And her hard core audience doesn't really like them if you read the YouTube comments. Moynihan doesn't understand millennials worth anything and maybe only knows Anna through listening to blocked and reported and Jesse Signal making quips about enjoying red scare

Christopher Kavanagh

Not exactly. Much smarter than Konstantin and co. More ‘Classical Libertarian’ journalists. They can do good work e.g. see them debate with Coleman on RFK Jnr.

Emma

Which is probably why I ended up here!

Emma

I know right. Most of my friends are trying to be as different from their parents as humanly possible! We compete w each other to tell the maddest stories about our parents and other older family members. I often win because during the pandemic my family became hard core anti vaxxers! 😔

Emma

Bahaha

Emma

Almost self aware!

David Noble

I've never heard of the Fifth Column, but they seem like standard enlightened centrists.

Christopher Kavanagh

When? Genuinely would like to see!

Julie

“Go in peace to love and serve the Lord..” lmfao. Simply the best!

Griffia

I will say 5th collumn went hard on Megan when it came to transgenderism and called her out on her bs

Ben Godek

I know Freud isn’t exactly in style these days in the field of psychology, but Tammy Peterson’s “I like political figures who remind me of my combative father” statement has me reconsidering.

Ben Godek

You might say Chris wouldn’t touch Matt’s pole metaphor with a ten foot pole.

Jenson

It's amazing how much Peterson's wife sounds just like a female version of him

Dada de Broglie

Thanks, Professor Matt, for bringing some of that Australian sunshine to the sign out. A little positivity would be sooo refreshing right now. It takes real bravery to stand up in front of a large group of people and say “you know what? I think this thing is good.” 🌞😎✌️🦘🌊🏄🏄‍♀️🏄‍♂️

Tim Tripp

This was so tiresome. A log cabin in the woods is really appealing to me at the moment.

john statham

I am liking the criticism of Moynihan, without having heard it, because I’ve found the 5th Column a bit smug of late.

Linda Sears

Yes, it was telling when Peterson said to her “you like disagreeable men.”

Kelley

You leave Michael Hobbes out of this! That man is a treasure!

Linda Sears

It’s interesting to learn that Alex Jones’s mom was behind his choice to bring back Sandy Hook. I was going to blame Brand’s praying session for rejuvenating him.

Zelda Hershy

Also, it's really sad to see how much the gap between Brett and Alex Jones has really closed...or maybe it was never really there? Who nose 🤥

Zelda Hershy

Great observation about the family influence factor. Honestly reminds me of my own family of origin. Dad doesnt say much about politics, says it doesnt matter because "god is in control". But what's that, mom's in the kitchen listening to rush limbaugh and getting worked up about immigration and welfare queens - turns out they've been right wingers in the bedroom all along ....

Lillie

🙋‍♀️ you have creatives!

Emma

Not a surprise that JP's wife has bad taste in men!

Chris Wishy

Alex really should count himself lucky none of the Sandyhook parents has come after him after all his hideously grotesque behaviour! Outside doing actual violence, it doesn’t get much worse! Also listen to fifth column sometimes. Foerster is generally really good. Mohniyan defintely gets annoying though. Especially with his blinkered Gaza takes. Really detracts from the show none are making any of the points Jessie Singleton made in the clip Chris played when they discuss Gaza…. Peaked in on a couple of Mohniyans podcasts on Bari Weiss’s show - they are almost unlistenable with the guests he has on! Really bad content…. I think I might be getting Chris’s bad habits of listening to things I know will likely be frustrating!! 😬😆🤦‍♂️

Nina Davies

Well, that was all dreadful. I used to like The Fifth Column but I find that Moynihan in particular loves the sound of his own voice too much and hence doesn't have time to think about what is coming out of his mouth. Ditto all of these people. Also, why is it that I know hardly anyone who holds the same political views as their parents? And here you have found a two great conspiratorial dynasties?

Gavin Boyter

I think Moynihan has a soft spot for a well-turned ankle, which may explain his going gentle on Megyn Kelly and Anna from Red Scare. He rarely tears into the ladies.