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Supplementary Material 13: Dead Bears, Biblical Stories, and Coffeezilla's Legal Battle

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Paul Ditta

Every time I hear Jordy Jordy Beep Beep speak I get a goddam nosebleed.

Devin Poore

The more I hear Jordan's manic attempts to pantomime profundity, the more I appreciate someone like Sagan who managed to communicate, in a habitually simple and humble way, genuinely profund perspectives on human existence. The Pale Blue Dot speech alone is more of a contribution to humanity than all of Peterson's output combined.

Julie

No. I would not pick this time Jordan.

Emma

That was the one I new to. Poor Zach would probably prefer to be described as bad rather than 'wee'.

john statham

I much prefer these ‘greatest shits’ short segments to the longer decoding sessions of late, mainly because the vocalising of the decoded has been pretty awful of latelate. Now 2.5

Sonje Finnestad

The Zacchaeus song was interesting. It (appropriately) placed a lot of emphasis on Zachaeus's social sins. The version I learned went like this: "Zachaeus was a wee little man and a wee little man was he etc". I like your version better.

Charlie Friedberg

Regarding the discussion of the intelligence of the gurus - how did eric weinstein get his degrees in physics? Can you really BS your way through a physics PhD? Academics, please offer some insights.

Linda Sears

I think that nobility of character, which often meant one's pedigree, was more highly prized in the past than today. During the reign of Louix XIV, being able to dance well determined where one sit in the hierarchy. And being a well-rounded person (Renaissance man) was far more important than being a specialist in any one thing, which was viewed as lower class. I agree with Matt that cultures will value different traits or skills, depending on who has power and influence at the time. My American students are confused to learn that the English, for a long time, looked down on people who improved themselves through their own efforts since Americans view this ability as a virtue.

Matt

I also heard this comparison, and nearly mentioned it here. But I'm a SE English Brit, and I pronounce 'o' in 'comma' ever so slightly differently to the american, to me it's like saying cahma. So, that's why I posted the link! Some small allowance for accents maybe? Bloody vowel shift.

Suzan Lemont

Someone the other day said this, and now I always remember: Comma-la. Chris needs to listen again. But after years of hearing Winesteen instead of Winestine I'm not holding my breath on this. 😆

Infinite Guff

The last reference I ever expected was the Zachaeus song

Guruspod 2

In a way I love the W brothers because in their own ways they perfectly characterise the conspiratorial mindset. Just wonderful exemplars of what not to do

Guruspod 2

It’s kind of half-formed thought so I probably shouldn’t have brought it up. But to clarify, it’s kind of a trivial point that people thought about things differently then. For example, love and marriage are approached very differently in contemporary times compared to various historical cultures. There isn’t like a 1-1 correspondence between our concepts and theirs. Naturally they thought about cleverness back then — figures could be thought of as wily, wise, inspired, etc. But our culture has universal education, and academic proficiency is a kind of necessary technocratic virtue in modern society, in a way that hasn’t always been the case. Accordingly, intelligence in the modern sense has been the subject of scientific and pseudo-scientific investigation, and bits and pieces from that occupies a place in the zeitgeist. Simultaneously, as careful researchers struggle with defining and measuring this thing we call intelligence in machines and animals, we realise our definitions are not as clear-cut as we might like. But the public perception of it as an ‘important thing’ has reified it in a way, that I think speaks more to culture than science. It’s all a bit complicated, so sorry if that just confuses things more!

Reinert

Chris' singing was a wonderful respite after suffering through even more of JBP's intergalactic ramblings!

David Noble

KAH-malah

Ben Godek

Jordan's little "And Joshua has the same name as Jesus btw, this is very significant" aside shows how he approaches the Bible in a theological way. He sees it as a single text, inspired by God (either the traditional theist version, or his bespoke definition of God) instead of a collection of books written by different people over the centuries. That name isn't foreshadowing, Jesus is in fact the Greek version of Joshua which was a common Jewish name. It's like saying that William the Conqueror's name foreshadowed William Shakespeare also being an important figure in English history.

Ben Godek

He seems to read at a grade school level.

Lys

This is a simplistic perspective. But it seems like this lot have "intelligence", however, their emotional intelligence and humility are low. Conversly their narcissism and grandiosity are high, with a propensity for apophenia. 🤷‍♀️🫠

Idan Ca

He’s a fan of Jason Staylin and Beni Muskolini

Roscoe 112

Elongated Muskrat?

Chris Clark

I like these supplementary eps It’s like Chris is a wide eyed 12 year old coming back from the zoo, telling his favourite schoolteacher about all the crazy animals he saw. Matt’s stoic, understanding yet mildly exasperated tone. Yes Chris, I mean, it is a zoo. Not all the animals are cute and cuddly.

JGraves

With the whole discussion about intelligence and history, one thing I was wondering is if Matt would actually just really discuss the specific part of intelligence that he thinks is distinctive to how we see intelligence today. I think a lot of people don’t even agree on what intelligence is. Maybe they do in certain academic circles but I’m talking about general social ideas.

Tim Tripp

Elon and JP; the melted mind meld.

lun

I never studied Abrahamic theology, but listening to Peterson is/was torture for me too. I don't understand how Chris does it.

Emma

The behind the bustards people thought so!

Sean Doody

Is Aidan Ross a fahh-cyst? Or is he just a far-right ultra-analyst?

John Smith

As a guy who's studies Abrahamic theology, listening to Jordan Peterson ramble on in a semi educated fashion was torture. BTW, his reference to Aaron as the "political wing" is really telling about his underlying ideology. Aaron was the first head priest of the Mosaic priesthood. Dark enlightenment type figures will frequently refer negatively to "Kritarchy", or rule by the Mosaic priesthood, and analogize it negatively to the modern state Civil service, who they consider to be a priesthood. So he is making this elaborate show of piety while underneath betraying the radical ideology, which tends towards deceptive nihilism, and is deeply impious at its core.

OR

He's said different things about the brain worm at different points - so hard to know if it's even true he has one. He has had absurd, verifiable illnesses from eating roadkill though

Linda Sears

Is this a possible reason for the dead worm in his brain?

James P.

This fascist segment with Ross is the stupidest thing I've heard in the podcast today! But the episode is still young..

Andreas Singer

Figures like the brothers Weinstein, Peterson & Co. are the stupid's person idea of smart person. They are cosplaying intellectuals

Ben Godek

When Matt was reading Eric’s tweet about how the country was actually being governed by a small group that was formed around Biden, rather than Biden himself, I immediately thought “So like the cabinet?” Eric managed to invent a dumb conspiracy-brain version of a president having a cabinet. Amazing.

OR

To add to the RFK nonsense, he has a longstanding addiction to trying exotic meats, causing hi. constant illness, which then led to him progressing to eating any roadkill he found when he was on drugs in his 20s. He would keep it in his despairing housemates' fridge. So the bear story is both doubly ridiculous and very on-brand.

Sam D.

"the problem is, they won't stop".... EXACTLY!!!! Will keep the podcast going though!

Nina Davies

'His spirit was distinguished, wise and prudent; his mind was brave and resolute, and never, even at moments of greater danger, deserted him. He had a most pertinacious memory; he was not devoid of scholarship.' Vergil (about 1513) on Henry VII.

Emma

This was so funny! It made me laugh out loud while doing my housework. Also it made me think I remember the days when people thought us vegans were weird. But the carnivores have really left us in the dust on the eccentricity scale. If anyone ever tells me it's weird to be vegan I'm gunna play them this clip of Jordan Peterson very pompously ordering Elon Musk to live on nothing but beef to fix his wrestling injury. Comedy gold!!!

LethargicLad

(Joining Coffeezillas patreon might be a simpler for some.)

john statham

The Right Wing going off at the Olympic Opening Ceremony was delicious. Notice the Closing though? Nary a peep. Toddlers

Kyle

Yooooo. I'm away on for work right now and hotel tv sucks. Very timely fellas.

Lord Brannigan-7

I've only watched mere seconds of the Coffeezilla youtube video, but had to laugh at the opening lawyer attack line 'the man isn't even a PROPER journalist!!?'. More Alan than Partridge, more Poundshop than Prime.