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MiP B2 Chapter 29: Research Progress

🕑 Added 2025-01-31 21:02:35 +0000 UTC

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Elaborate

I feel like Carlos is kinda adding Soul Structures for the sake of adding Soul Structures. Where will it be useful to detect Essence on large scales? I guess it could be used to find a stealthed army, but isn't that kind of niche use what you would build spells for? You could do that in 4 Soul Structures instead of 6: * Magic Sensor * Sensor filter (aether/mana/essence) *Sensor macro lens *Sensor micro lens You could even combo the filter and macro/micro structures to work with the mana manipulator, so you don't need six of those too.

Ben Bass

TYFTC! It is good to see they are making progress, and also that the area Carlos broke earlier is healing. I do wonder if there is a breaking point where the damage is too much and an area could be permentantly scarred.

M

First rule of war: NO BUG USING!!!

Hilton Janfield

This feels like they provided their own solution - if runic enchanted items don't function in the burnt out area, they stand a better chance of examining them!

Paul Foster

He's triggered a cpu burnout bug! As an esoteric cpu designer and computer science historian, this chapter has me tingling! What we're seeing here is exactly the behavior of a massively parallel cpu where a core has shorted: the chip eventually turns off the failed core and diverts requests to others, but in the mean time the behavior of the computing substrate shows through (explained below). If you've ever tried to make a computer out of something not designed to be one (gears, C++ templates, magic cards, light bulbs ...or rocks of silicon), this problem is shockingly familiar. There is always a substrate that isn't designed to be Turing complete, and computing machinery built on top to support the basic instructions. When you break the computing machinery layer, the substrate behavior is apparent. Most modern computers use digital amplifier transistors as their substrate, so they produce an endless string of 1s or 0s. But if you break a type-engine cpu (...cough *C++ templates* cough...), the basic types still function, while metaprograms fail. This world seems to have some sort of wish granting behavior as the substrate, where wishes are impressed by souls onto the various types of mana which fulfill them. Unlike modern computers, the substrate here seems to be exposed for people to make things on directly (ex soul structures and the like). Makes you wonder if someone might build an independent spell system on top of the substrate, although the current characters don't seem to be the type to do that.

viperfan7

Polymorphic code is fun

Connor Mcharg

It’s been outright stated that the incantation system is artificial (see: the wall of text that happened when Carlos first cast ´help´ - and for that matter, how he found that spell), but the mystic abilities have been much more freeform - basically wishes for abilities - which strongly suggests that they’re not running on some man-made system. Personally, I’d’ve been surprised if messing with incantations *could* accidentally affect non-incantation soul structures. …also, we’ve already seen proof that mystic abilities weren’t affected - Esmorana flew them back to base from the middle of the deadzone.

Markell

It’s interesting that mystic abilities aren’t affected. If I were to hazard a guess, maybe that means that the magic system is less like an “engine” and more like a server built on top of the natural mana formations, with the regional areas acting as clients? In which case the alternative would be to make a private server and build a fresh set of commands from the ground up. Of course, this also means that you’d be limited to Purples sphere of influence and the mana purple has stored but it also means you can build your own custom service that can be updated and patched on the fly such as fixes for negative values. Hell, you could even blacklist someone from the “server” and they’d be unable to use magic.

Markell

They need to use Purples dungeon style magic to turn the mana into primitive data sets that can be looked at without being a forced interaction.

viperfan7

I would LOVE to know what Felton was thinking when he learned about that little WMD

Maurice Brown

We should be friends!

BarGamer

Good thing it's not a bad sector. That means you can just run a defrag, or have Purple fix it.

Josh

> "Gotcha! It's reacting to the Analyze spell by probing its structure, and when it touches certain key parts, it hooks into them and attaches some extra pieces that change how the spell works." Oh holy !@#(*%. It's possible to *patch other people's spells as they're being cast*? That came up in speculation in some past comments, but now we see the answer. *Wow*. That has some huge and terrifying implications. (Also, reverse-engineering-resistant malware. Yikes. I really, really hope it has occurred to Carlos to make sure when delving deeper that it doesn't have *larger* countermeasures, like exploding if they get past the first-layer countermeasures. Or, slightly less violently, phoning home if the first layer is bypassed.) Among other things: - Self-perpetuating viruses/worms and similar catastrophes. Hook into any spell they detect and propagate themselves into anything *those* spells interact with. Given the degree to which magic is this world's physics, and the low-level magic system underneath, there's a very real possibility of a grey goo scenario. The thing Carlos showed Felten in this chapter is the very *least* of the things he should carefully never tell anyone, and should try to find countermeasures for. - Giving someone a spell that only works given specific conditions that you could control. (The magical equivalent of a proprietary program with a license server. An awful thing in our world; an awful-but-potentially-necessary thing in theirs.) Effectively, if they're an authorized caster, the spell-stub you gave them gets modified on the fly to contain the real spell. One legitimate reason to want this: giving a tentative ally a powerful spell that they cannot keep using if they turn against you. The difference between this and just casting the spell *for* them: they're the one supplying the mana for the spell. - Resource-stealing mechanisms. Hook into someone else's spell in order to make *their* mana drive *your* spell. In particular, turn their spell into something open-ended that lets you drain their mana... - Magical defense through detecting any spell being cast and using general-purpose techniques to cancel it. As far as I can tell, other than perhaps Ressara's attention-diversion-inversion soul structure (depending on how you look at it), we haven't seen any instances of real security-minded defense or offense. The world seems to be at roughly the security level of not even knowing what security *is* or why someone might want it (with the possible exception of Sandaras, and whoever put this bug into the enchantment). Imagine what happens if any spell cast in your vicinity gets automatically hooked to early-exit and do nothing. Or, a more sophisticated version: imagine if any spell cast in your vicinity gets automatically hooked to early-exit *unless it is signed via asymmetric cryptography using a specific private key that's embedded in one of your soul structures*. Now sign your allies' magical keys using your PKI, and they're the only ones that can cast spells anywhere near you.

Test Patron Plz Ignore

I've really enjoyed seeing Felton get fleshed out more fully, and I hope we get to see more Ressara soon!

Tryptic

I think it's funnier to imagine that normal spells use mana in the air, and cause no damage, so the only reason it happens after big battles is because someone accidentally cast a bugged spell or had a memory leak or something. It happened by chance due to the sheer number of spells people were casting under pressure.

NightKhaos

I think I understand how this chapter was so difficult for you Douglas. By showing this to Felton, and explaining that he will take the knowledge of how he did the damage to his grave, Felton who has been irritated about Carlos' lack of progress suddenly sees him at new light, and realises that Carlos has not been stonewalling him without cause. I'm going to hazard a guess that Felton may decide to be a little more forthcoming with Carlos around somethings going toward, and far more tolerant of his idiosyncratic behaviour. He may even specifically request he maintain an ongoing position within Carlos' "court". By showing Felton this, I think Carlos now has gained much favor with the crown, and again, Carlos is... just doing what he believes to be the right thing here. He isn't showing this to Felton to gain favour, which Felton will also come to realise... and this will ironically cause him to gain even more favour with the crown. All this is going to be extremely useful for what is coming, the attempts at retribution against House Carlos will find the Crown far more invested in House Carlos than they would expect of a brand new house, and that's on top of Carlos being far more capable than he ought to be. If I were Carlos my next not immediate priority after all the other stuff going on will be getting more understanding of Dungeon Cores, because the only sustainable way I see to maintain the fragile balance within the rules you've established of this universe is going to be to give the other houses access to dungeon core aether manipulation to allow safe rapid leveling of nobles... that is until a revolution occurs, which is all be inevitable at this point.

Connor Mcharg

…huh - I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before, but the mass-casting of who knows how many war-mages in battle *would* put a strain on the system that allowed them to cast, wouldn’t it? I’m so glad the creators of that system seem to have accounted for that.

D S

Thanks for the chapter!

Bloop

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