Sacred Symbols+, Episode 362 | Convening the JRPG Council
🕑 Added 2024-01-13 17:00:10 +0000 UTCWho doesn't love a good JRPG? Well, a lot of you, as it turns out. But for those as enamored with the storied genre as I (Colin) am, this episode of + is for you. Along with Dustin of Sacred Symbols fame, I've invited Punching Up's Gene Park and Summon Sign's Brad Ellis -- JRPG fans and experts all -- to talk about the state of the category, our best and worst experiences within, and what the future might hold. Heck, we even try to define the term 'JRPG' itself, with some (but not total) success. There's no doubt that Japanese gaming is back in a major way; there's also no denying that its role-playing devs and publishers deserve some of the credit for the comeback. So let's give thanks to our beloved JRPGs, wrinkles and all, and delve deeper into how they tick, and why we're so immensely drawn to them even decades after our respective introductions.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:12:11- Defining the term JRPG
0:48:20 - What game or series is often called a JRPG, but isn't?
1:00:18 - How did your journey with JRPGs begin?
1:11:30- What's your favorite JRPG?
1:24:24- Who is your favorite JRPG publisher?
1:29:42 - Who is your favorite JRPG developer?
1:44:06 - What's your favorite JRPG series?
1:57:35 - What's the best JRPG you've played in recent memory?
2:05:20 - What's the worst JRPG you've ever played?
2:12:56 - What's the darkest era for JRPGs?
2:24:00 - What's your most anticipated JRPG / what's the future of the JRPG genre?
Comments
Marco Maluf
How not remember the theme song “Baaaaaad boys, watcha you gon watcha you goonna do?” Cops man, loved it here in brazil
Kyle-San
Platformers seem like the next logical step in this line of coverage
Benjamin Pope
If they would actually play KH 1&2 I'm sure that it would finally sink in that they are actually great games. Lol Colin and Gene just needs to get past their mental hurdles.
OrochiNewsTeam
Every videogame is a role-playing game.
Lawson72
Everything Colin said that makes Elden Ring the anti JRPG is hilarious, because the game is the exact opposite. By his logic, it is the quintessential JRPG lol.
Stray_Bullets
Colin has a gross misunderstanding and assumptions of Elden Ring and other Fromsoft Souls games. He needs to just commit and play them. They really are just all the things he wants in a rpg lol.
Kevin Cooper
Gene's "pizza game" build up reminded me of Randal from CLERKS trying to bait Dante into admitting that he tried to suck his own dick. I thought someone was going to take the bait for sure, lol.
RC
I've started to explore the genre this past year and plan to continue into this one. Started with the original Dragon Quest, currently on Mario RPG and have a load lined up. It's somewhat of a gaming new years resolution to explore this genre more as I've neglected it for years.
Owen
Having a jrpg discussion without matty feels wrong
Philip Dunphy
Is Chess a role playing game?
Michael Thew
Xenogears, Skies of Arcadia and Suikodon 3 are little talked about gems. FF6 is my hands down favorite but those others are in the top 5
Wesali
Am I the only one who thinks traditional jrpgs are harder than Souls games? Every jrpg I play I get 1 shot by ridiculous abilities.
TheSissyOfFremont
Where the game is made has no bearing on whether it’s a JRPG or not to me. It becomes redundant as a genre if that’s the case. It would be like saying that a French BJJ black belt doesn’t do BJJ because he’s not from Brazil. Genres are only useful to describe the content of a given piece of media. As you say, if someone didn’t know that it wasn’t made in Japan; Sea Of Stars would be a JRPG to basically everyone.
HORSE the Patron
Honestly, I think that, among the other commonly agreed upon features, a clear delineation between combat and not-combat is important for defining a JRPG. Turn based on not doesn't matter, but there needs to be a "notable" transition of systems of some sort from not being in combat to being in combat.
Daidoji Reiji
Needed Matty on here IMO, he plays the most different JRPGs. Still looking forward to listening
NinjaDC
Glad Gene is healthy and here to champion Xenoblade for this topic.
MrFreundly
This is exactly why I joined the LSM Patreon. Conversations like this are so engaging that I’m muttering to myself on the points I agree and disagree with .🤣 Continues to be worth every penny. Thanks gents!
SaltyTrees
I'm gonna try in 2024 to first time play & finish old school FF7, AND Persona 4 Golden. Just for my own gaming knowledge. 💪🎮🧠
Tristan Kimball
I appreciate Brad trying to get Colin to try KH
DarthLemon616
Don't forget the commander Cobra comic comes out this week
lazer_josh
Soggy biscuit is the game gene was describing in the beginning
NeO JD
I’d still call FF16 an action game.
The Devmeister
Also - my first Persona game was Persona Q on DS - I was obsessed with DS RPGs and when that came out the box art got me and the whole Alice in Wonderland vibe was awesome. I think this needs a remake!!
The Devmeister
I’m currently replaying Persona 4 Golden on Switch, played it first on Vita. It’s such an amazing game.
Jeff in NOLA
On Trails, only the Cold Steel arc is like Persona. I really think knowing Colin’s preferences, he’d love the Crossbell arc (smaller, more intimate party mainly but the story itself as well)
E_DOUBLE
If Elden Ring/Dragons Dogma is a JRPG then the Witcher 3 is a CRPG... See how silly that sounds? Labels are meant to serve the purpose of easily identify something. If I asked for a JRPG recommendation and you said Elden Ring I'd never ask you for a recommendation again lol. It does not to need to be taken in the literal sense. Portal is a puzzle game, not a first person shooter
Daddy T
Just fuck off, it’s not that deep and you know it’s not, Jesus Christ.
Meatball
We need another episode like this but for the shooter/fps genre
Shadi Haddad
I think Colin has the best chemistry with Gene out of anyone in LSM.
PluuusRyan
Dustin doing the Lord’s work sending the Kingdom Hearts appreciation through.
Bambi_Cobblestone
I missed that... Did he realize what he was saying? 😂
Bambi_Cobblestone
I think you guys should consider releasing this one to the public. Just as a way to show how GREAT Brad is meshing with everyone.
C
KH1 is the worst one gameplay wise! KH2 would be better.
Christian Longo
Chris
This should be the beginning of the video game genre and subgenre council. Looking forward to the tome on laststandmedia.store Some notes: Souls is Zelda’s adult cousin, and where Zelda’s mom was attentive and caring, Souls’ mom had a meth problem. I laughed so hard at the extended pause when Brad dunked on castlevania 2. He definitely belongs
Trapgunner
I’ve only played Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. The reason I did wanna get the original back when it came out was the fact square did a Mario rpg and it was great so why couldn’t they do the same with Disney!
Kevin White
Shout out to Brad for standing up for the fact that Castlevania 2 is bad.
Jake Z
Colin comparing genre classification to science is getting super cringe. And it's ironic since he forcefully maintains the distinction between science and the humanities when it comes to AI
Rio_Yeti_
They should’ve waited until Granblue Relink released before doing this one. Would like the hear their thoughts on it. I just played some of the demo and am already sold. This one has classic written all over it.
Bogey
I’ll tell you what, whole lotta slow jerking going on whenever Gene and Colin are on a show together. They remind me of the two people that have a crush on each other but are too afraid to come out and say it. Just come out and say it boys, let it out.
Morten Madsen
Thanks for time stamps. Please consider it for Constellation. It would make it easier to listen to a topic again or skip a topic (not me!)
Steve Forgione
“Me and Gene have goon sessions together” is objectively the funniest thing Colin has ever said
TL
Great content to tide me over until playoff football starts, much appreciated.
Shadi Haddad
This is the peak LSM lineup for a show. Give me this all day every day.
HORSE the Patron
What an amazing game. The original was already amazing, and the remake is even better!
Vagicarp, I choose you
This is pure candy made just for me! 🙏😇
Cyprus Davis
Ohhhh this should be a good one. Shoutout to Persona 4 Golden, a true masterpiece. Thanks for all the great content guys 💙
Michael Mashpotato
Im playing Second Story R and I highly recommend this JRPG. Holy crap am I impressed with this game. Hopefully more people play this incredible game. My most anticipated JRPGs are Rebirth and Ys Nordics. Shout out to Gene. Hearing this opening is really great news. 🙏
Zeke the Plumber
Congrats on the good health news, Gene.
Conor Wilson
I like how these have time stamps 😀
Joe Perez
Awesome 👍 Looking forward to this one after I finish SS!