Sacred Symbols+, Episode 369 | CliffyB: Renaissance Man
🕑 Added 2024-03-02 17:00:10 +0000 UTCPlease welcome legendary games designer, producer, and entrepreneur Cliff Bleszinski -- better-known as CliffyB -- to Sacred+. On the back of his new comic series Scrapper, Cliffy is imbibing a new energy, but that always seems to be the case for the busy creative that won't (or perhaps cannot) sit still. After all, a year before Scrapper, he released a raw and honest autobiography, and before that, he produced some Tony-winning theater productions, and before that, he invested in restaurants, and... well... you get the idea. But the CliffyB that worked at Epic for 20 years and helmed bringing the world the likes of Gears of War, Unreal, and Jazz Jackrabbit still has much to say about the industry that he helped define, and our brisk conversation covers a number of topics, from the hostility surrounding LawBreakers' demise to Microsoft's hesitance in bringing him back into the Gears fold. Please enjoy.
Comments
fork
Cliffy B is the man
Gabriel Baker
What if Batman was a dog?
Gabriel Baker
Time stamp?? I’m dying to hear that
Gabriel Baker
In a world of Cliffy Bs, be a Jonathan Blow
brody_low
This dude talked about like 5 different topics in a row lol
Alec Davis
Those incoherent thoughts about woke culture had me laughing 😂
FarmerJimmy
Howdy Boner Boys! Didn't know anything about Cliffy B, but love his candidness and analysis! It was a super fun listen. Would love to have him and Jaffe together for a chat although it would probably go down as the longest SS+ episode ever. Keep it up over in SS land!
WoodyBlock
Holy cow Cliffy B seems like a total D bag. That was a painful listen.
Michael Welter
Really rough listen. And naturally this audience whines that Cliffy complains about the "everything is woke" crowd. Ya'll are probably the people he's talking about. But no cant dare to do a little self reflection. But anyway yeah this was incredibly difficult to listen to.
Michal Dudic
great guy, I'd highly recommend reading his book
Andrew Long
I feel like that was a conversation about nothing…and it kept going nowhere
Dan P
Yeah I think having Jonathon Blow and Cliff B back to back was like night and day comparison of two world views. Cliff seems out of touch in a way that makes sense how he would blame the haters for his game failing. Cliff is definitely woke.
Ryan Wargo
While I understand the cesspool that is social media, and bad actors on both sides but the "everything's woke" take is way off base. Clearly it's not making money, it is not organic, the comics industry is dying, movies are tanking, games are failing....except those that are putting entertainment first instead of "quotas." Same energy as Chris sometimes with the "Well I don't see that, so clearly it's just the crazies on the other side"
Chris King
This is a rare LSM L, either this guy is tweaking or hasn’t grown at all since he released the first Gears
Kojima’s Trouser Snake
Agreed. Had to shut it off after 30 mins. A little humility would go a long way.
Brandon V
I think this answers why he is not brought back into the Gears fold
Mattylongisland
Another great interview really love these. Keep them up please
Jack Johnson
Oh dear that was tough to listen too.
Dan P
I didn't know much about either personally before these two eps. Blow seems pretty based and real. Cliffy is kind of got man child energy.
Josh Walker
Hey, it takes many of us to make the world go round. Loved the episode.
Guybrush Threepwood
I don't get all the dislike on this one. or the jonathan blow one for that matter. these guys are examples of creative intelligent people who succeeded.
Trent Piccicacco
Haha he was interesting, was different I did enjoy it
Fotis Lyto
This was exhausting, listening this guy yap and yap and yap was excruciating and nothing with meaning was said. I guess I haven't met many people with huge egos but if I'd imagine someone Cliffy will from now come to mind.
Owen
This one and the one with Blow… like it’s no wonder games take forever with how incoherent the thoughts are.
AJ Cap
YIKES
Joey
I felt my teeth clenching when i listened to the first 20 minutes, stopped listening, didn't pay any mind to it, and noticed it i was doing it again after listening for another 5 minutes. I deleted the episode lol
Otacon_Ocelot
NGL wasn't a fan of this one. Not that Colin didn't due diligence, I just thought Cliff B was different than he is. Oh Well live and learn.
Devon McCarty
Holy shit
Brian
He is quite hard to listen to
Mikey
Damn…this was definitely an episode
Adam Barnes
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Danio
Cliffy could record that episode without Colin and it would be mostly the same, he rambled so much on his own. 😄
Christian Longo
This guy is shot
Danio
People totally should apologize to Jaffe after that episode. :D It can get THAT bad.
Barry Cahill
Yeah Cliff, cheaters were the reason Radical Heights wasn't a success. Not that it was thrown together in 5 min in a desperate attempt to cash in on the battle royale craze. 🙄🙄
mattyboy316
I think a constellation episode with jaffe and cliff b. Would be interesting.
lazer_josh
I was really hoping for an actual conversation with this one. I think Col said all of 100 words.
Jamie Anderson
Very wealthy/Famous man with a trophy wife and no kids is bored.. Stand up and writing a book. He has done both
Rich Price
Good luck to him, but why does it seem like every other American man thinks they should do standup? It’s really hard and 99% of stand up routines are not even slightly amusing imo. ‘I love to eat ass, isn’t that hilarious?!’
Daniel Bush
Lol haven’t pondered “the shitting man” for quite some time, a missed opportunity by Colon for sure
Cole Kinghorn
Not sure anyone has ever matched the mental image I had in my head of them for so long quite this well tbh.
Napoleon in Rags
Good luck to Cliffy B’s stand up career 😬
David Moran
This ep was rough man. Props to Colin for trying to ask some good questions. But so much of this was weird and not in a good Jaffe way.
Drew
Oh shit! He’s the xbox version of Jaffe.
King Blob
This one was a hard listen, Cliffy is a very weird guy. Like a 12 year old trapped inside a man’s body
Diddy’s Dong Quest
I don’t dislike this episode as much as the others, but no way this dude is off the Claritin D.
Mark Burn
I don’t usually comment on threads of episodes but after seeing the episode is an hour long and 20 minutes in Cliff is talking about random topics with nothing for Colin to jump in for, I had to hop in and wonder if I was the only one feeling weird about this ep. One positive I can say is that he’s obviously a very enthusiastic person, especially about his wife (and himself), however aside from that it’s a little bit of a hard listen. It was like listening to a dude high on coke at a party. So many times I zoned out for 30 seconds and came back and thought what the hell is he talking about now hahaha Granted I don’t think there’s much that Colin could have done, but yeah a weird episode for sure.
Adam Barnes
Right? Fuck anyone in this community for having a different opinion than you.
Rio_Yeti_
Confused about Cliffy calling out douchebags on Twitter when he blocked me for complimenting him on “Lawbreakers” looking awesome-when he revealed screenshots-and wishing Boss Key success. I’ve no ill will towards him over something so trivial but find it odd how he plays the victim card.
The Rose Experience
Imagine going to this dudes stand-up? I’d want to rip my ears off
Matthew Guilford
Great episode, always happy to hear from people who have been in the industry for a long time. Cliff definitely had an impact on the games industry. I am glad the Cliff of today doesn’t have the same impact on the game industry. I respect his opinion but I do not agree with a lot of how he feels. I wish him luck in making the same impact on the stand up world, and hope he can let go of the animosity he feels towards Anime avatars.
Brent
lol The things some people do trying hard to find things to do w/ their lives to make themselves feel better about not raising children.
Have you considered considering considerations considerately considerate
Ya know Cliffy seems to still have that child like wonder. I appreciate that
Shane Pryor
This comment section is exactly who needs to go outside and touch grass.
Moistescarjoe
It’s not what CliffyB is saying that bothers me it’s the way he puts on voices all the time that really annoys me. It feels childish.
heyVinno
What an absolute prick. 😂
NeO JD
I like Cliff, he seems like a nice guy overall, but I’m glad I’m not the only one who found this ep weird. 😅
NeO JD
Gears 5 came out in 2019. Come on fam.
Your Boi Nicky V
Whacky episode haha but interesting to learn more about the man behind a classic franchise
CUMSoftware
When Jaffe beats you, the Xbox podcast, to a Gears replay, it shouldn’t surprise that Duke Ultimate no longer exists.
Jamie Anderson
There's more gears talk in this than in the so called xbox podcast
AllTooEasy_
This is rough man. If you care about spoilers when he finally talks around gears 35 mins in he spoils 5 games in record time.
Adam Barnes
Damn, I was going to put this on and listen while I work out but after reading these comments I think I’ll just stick to music 😅 thanks for taking that bullet guys
Johnny Lamotte
Why is he so bitter? Lol maybe they should think of having kids.
Brandon V
If Reddit were a person
CUMSoftware
“So cliff, in Gears 1, there’s a map called Rooftops in multiplayer and on one side of the map, if you look through a certain window of a building and toss a smoke grenade in it, it will illuminate what is a 12 ft man sitting on a toilet taking a shit. What’s the story behind that?”
Brent
lol I forgot how much I dislike Cliffy B.
Cory Knudsen
This was bad. I couldn't make it past 13 minutes. Maybe I forgot but Jesus Christ is "Cliffy" fucking obnoxious. Probably a good thing he doesn't want kids.
Josh Couture
Holy shit snacks. Could not stop listening quick enough.
Dante B
This guy was always a huge douche, but I guess he’s taken the time away to really double down. Insufferable to listen to and his own biggest fan.
Evan
Appreciate what everyone does at LSM and you have to reach out and find new conversations. But like others have said, this was a very odd episode. Colin did his best to steer Cliffy B. towards topics the audience is interested in, but Cliffy B. would very quickly go off course and ramble. That was rough, but not all conversations can be equally engaging and/or enjoyable.
Jared R
Yeah, I think Colin came into this wanting to talk about one thing really, and then… yeah. I know he usually likes to let his guests just speak, but there’s been a few pieces of content recently that makes me wish he’d step in to reign things in more.
Eric the human
This was a fun convo but I'm confused why it ended so abruptly when it was flowing so well. Was there a hard time set or something?
Liquid Metal Guts
daaaayummnn, thats a huge ego!
Tyler Kidder
Honestly, this hour long interview didn’t do anything. There wasn’t any discussion about video games. I don’t think this was a Colin problem but Cliff rambling about stuff that didn’t matter. Was looking forward to this, but this fell flat.
Vanzant
I would agree it wasn’t exactly what I was expecting. Though it was definitely insightful in regards to how a creator thinks. That said, I find it funny how you could listen to this then post something negative.
Cole Barker
This might be the only person on Last Stand that has rubbed me the wrong way. What was the point of this convo except to learn how weird CliffyB is?
Ice Slice
Awesome episode, he seems like a great guy thanks for getting him on!
Colin Moriarty
I guess I’m in the minority, but I really enjoyed this episode. Good vibes.
Meatball
He definitely has a case of I’m the main character syndrome
Dan Nolin
Be careful what you wish for lol
David
Omg. Legend or not, I couldn’t get past 30 minutes of this guy.
Dan Nolin
Mr Moriarty… showing us one week at a time how fucked up and weird all the guys who made our favorite games are…
StewDog
This one was a huge miss for me. 60 mins of random rambling. Cliffy really drove the conversation off a "Cliff" and Colin tried to his best to get it back on the rails lol
Craig Robertson
This is one of the best SS+ episodes yet, perfectly chaotic!
Jordan
LSM always hits the perfect level of unhinged
Gonçalo Ferreira
This one was really weird Colin. Not in a good way for me. Hope the next SS+ gets back on topic, this was just one guy ego tripping for 60 minutes.
Jared R
Colin wasn’t kidding about this being a chaotic sort of conversation. That stream of consciousness style of conversing, if one could even really call this a two-way conversation, is pretty hard for me to listen to.
Steve Forgione
Ironic how they talk about how social media breeding negativity and you just feed right into it.
CastingCouch
Was cliffy b farting during the episode? lol
The Rose Experience
15 minutes in and Cliffy B is an amazingly annoying person. Hey Cliff, do you have kids, oh you don’t want kids? Tell me again… Ya I’m out, nice get for Colin and appreciate the effort to get a personality but can’t stand this dude. Unsurprisingly he’s almost entirely like I thought he’d be.
Tdot’s Finest82
Absolutely sick. One of my favourite video game peeps of all time. Gears is a top 3 series for me. Great get LSM fam!
I'm glad John Lennon was murdered
Palest I've ever seen Colin. RIP king
Full Metal Sween
Cliff has been one of my creative inspirations for almost 2 decades. He brought the world my favorite series in Gears of War, nothing on any box ever will come close to the love I have for that series. Thanks Colin and the team for whatchu guys do day in and day out. Hell, it beats giving Sorta Comedic a dime 🤷♂️ Who tf asking for those wrestling vids and the big goofy office? LOL
Dan Nolin
Hopefully this guys got more pep in his step than Mr. Blow
Doombaby69
Damn this is wild! Nice get LSM
A Hind D
This is fucking awesome can’t wait to dive in.