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Defining Duke, Episode 193 | The PS5 Pro Is HERE - Did Xbox Dodge A Bullet?
🕑 Added 2024-09-12 16:00:11 +0000 UTCMuch has been said about Xbox's lack of desire to do a mid-generation refresh. For some, it symbolizes the platform's lack of care for the future of its own hardware and, for others, a sign that the green team has their eyes on the next generation instead. In a surprise move, it is not Xbox who stepped on the rake this week! PlayStation has sneakily experienced a troublesome year much like Xbox between Concord, the rollercoaster ride that is Helldivers 2, and now the pricing of the PlayStation 5 pro. Of all our write-ins this week, 90% were asking one question: Did Xbox dodge a bullet by not going down this hardware rabbit hole? Naturally, the Dukes debate and discuss the ins-and-outs of this initially innocent announcement from PlayStation. In other news, Xbox will be returning to Japan for their own Tokyo Game Show event in 2024 and State Of Decay 2 support is finally over! We also get into the exclusivity situation surrounding Black Myth Wukong, the return of some classic Transformers games, and plenty more!
Timestamps:
0:00:00 - Introduction
0:15:39 - Leaked Shinobi gameplay
0:20:57 - How long is Stalker 2?
0:22:45 - New Shattered Space details
0:31:02 - Final Fantasy's future on Xbox leaks?
0:35:29 - Is there a Black Myth Wukong exclusivity deal?
0:45:17 - Shinji Mikami speaks on the fate of Tango Gameworks
0:51:40 - Xbox helped fund a Capcom game?!
0:54:02 - The Enotria: The Last Song drama comes to an end?
0:58:30 - What's cooking for Tony Hawk's 25th anniversary?
1:02:15 - The Xbox 360 Transformers games might be returning
1:09:43 - Missing Capcom fighters are coming to Xbox in 2025
1:10:53 - Hideaki Itsuno leaving Capcom after 30 years
1:12:32 - A Penguin game set in The Batman universe leaks
1:14:56 - Baldur’s Gate 3 final patch revealed
1:18:56 - Remedy and Annapurna Interactive announce partnership
1:20:46 - What We’re Playing
1:52:10 - Reacting to the PlayStation 5 Pro reveal
2:21:27 - Xbox details Tokyo Game Show 2024 event
2:27:32 - State Of Decay 2 is finally ending support
2:30:24 - Game Pass Pick Of The Week
2:33:42 - Collecting physical games on Xbox
2:43:39 - Wrap-Up
Comments
Bartevious
Disingenuous comparison
Bartevious
Why lol? It is 2x the price of a product it does very little to differentiate itself from in the base PS5. Not to mention you have to pay $80 a year, or $560 for a 7 year generation just to access multiplayer functionality. That coupled with cheaper games makes buying a PC a much better value proposition in terms of gaming performance per dollar. Not to mention much better 2k high FPS support on PC which is most enthusiasts preference. It’s an extremely niche product only efficient for enthusiasts that hate PC gaming.
Bailey Callis
Bro, everyone including the dukes have cooked xbox nonstop for years. What are you even on about?
Homz
This will be the first console refresh or mainline console that I have skipped since ps1. I'm the target audience, and have the disposable income. I just don't see the point of it for that price and to play remastered ps4 games at higher fps. I'll just wait till ps6.
Plombus bombus
Cog saying playstation has nothing to show for the pro is hilarious considering how this whole gen has gone for xbox, both the dukes smoking some copium
Homz
The SS boys do the same thing. It's all for views. Thats the game. How many thumbnails have we had with Phill or Activision when the buy out was happening
Homz
They are probably coming at it from a 1st party perspective. Not a paid exclusive angle. A part from Astro this year has been pretty average. We don't even no how good 2 of those games will be. Oh and Ronin was mud
Hugh Jalode
Just finished the show today. I understand the title is meant to attract views, but it’s an oxymoron so it reflects poorly on how great you guys are as analysts. By that I mean of course they didn’t dodge a bullet, because they don’t have a consumer base who would buy an Xbox Series X Pro model by the millions like Sony. That’s it, that is why they’re not doing one. And the rebuttal may be: “Hugh, they’re doing a console refresh in 2026 and a handheld; They didn’t need to!” Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact an Xbox Pro would be destined to fail. PS5 Pro is going to sell millions of units, meanwhile the only time I see the $600 Series X with 2 TB storage mentioned is as the butt of a joke. I have a Series X and love it, so no fan boy crap here. Big fan, keep it up.
Big Boss BE
Hearing Matty saying that Playstation has a pretty bad year is insane. Stellar Blade, Ronin, Helldivers 2, Rebirth, Last of us part 2 remastered, Astro, Silent Hill 2, Lego Horizon. Concord is absolutely a total failure. But people see this and it's like they're happy as fuck and saying playstation sucks this year. LMFAO, WTF is going on? I really don't get it...
Jimmy G
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious now that Sony helped with the development of the PS5 version, just like they do with many other games. If Game Science didn’t want to hold PS5 and PC until the Xbox version was ready, that makes sense…why force everyone else to wait? This is a Baldur’s Gate 3 scenario. MSFT could’ve helped with the development of the Xbox version if they wanted it out at the same time.
MrFreundly
Another great one gents. Appreciate y’all. #DDPro
Katana Silver
Sony signing a secret marketing deal for Black Myth still makes no sense. The game’s great, they’d be promoting it from the rooftops like the rest of their exclusivity deals
Katana Silver
Add on the fact 80% of game sales are digital now. Most people complaining about the pro lacking a disk drive aren’t using one, sucks for people with a large physical collection though
Mr. Scott If You're Nasty
Shocked they didn't mention Spencer's comments, and Mattys end of year Xbox play time is going to be less than Geoff Keighley's. #DDPro
Mr. Scott If You're Nasty
They did. They don't think what was shown was worth the upgrade. I agree, given the presentation.
Beaver diva
Mate you've completely misunderstood what I've said
Mr. Scott If You're Nasty
That is an unfair comparison friend. The portability is what you're paying for. Also, it's basically a handheld PC, so it doesn't just play Xbox games. Apples to Oranges comparison. They do different things.
Mr. Scott If You're Nasty
Terrible value
Adam Barnes
Lol
Bartevious
#DDPro great episode gents. The PS5P is a terrible value proposition, coming from someone who does not own Xbox hardware this generation.
Bartevious
The best version would be on PC.
Beaver diva
How on earth is cog dissing the pro reveal when he bought the improved battery Asus Rog ally at £800, after already having the OG. Love you cog but cmon man. The pro is way more of an upgrade over it's predecessor than the Rog ally extreme, yet you praised the Rog ally and hammering the pro. Mental gymnastics at work bro
Pianopower
They are giving critical thoughts
Hustle&Motiv8
I’m coppin the PS5 Pro Day 1. Definitely had an amazing time meeting you all in San Diego. Matty I had no clue you were 6’3” Cog you’re as cool in person as you are online. Met Rick for the first time and it was awesome seeing him. Micah and Colin are the sweetest people. Jaffe is hilarious 🤣 and it inspired me to play GOW for the first time.
Marko Krnic
Boys I’m fully on board which the price of the PS5 Pro in real dollars being extremely expensive…but I think it’s a bit silly to be getting so outraged. When you break it down and compare the price with the new 2TB Series X ($599USD including a disc drive). The PS5 Pro would cost you $779USD (console + disco drive). That’s a $180 price difference for a tech upgrade which I don’t think is out for the realm of reason. Some more critical thought would be appreciated, by all accounts tell us how you feel from a personal point of view, but balance it with some critical thoughts.
Vanzant
Deliver PS4 games at 60 fidelity? The showcase looked like a DF video comparing PS5 and Series X.
Michael Ma
A disk drive ps5 at launch 11/20 was $500 which is $600 today adjusted for inflation. The pro plus a separate disk drive is 780. So the difference is 180. A 1tb m.2 is anywhere from 50-100 dollars on Amazon. So the pro upgrade is actually ~$100 in real dollar
Aram
It doesn’t need to over deliver though. It just needs to deliver what they advertised and it very well could especially with future games.
Vanzant
My fear is that companies usually over promise based on one or two examples of particular cases. I doubt DF is going to get the machine and go, “my god, it’s more powerful than they advertised.” - The CPU is the CPU.
Tyler Woolbright
You can also use it as a literal computer
Aram
It’s too early to write the Ps5 Pro off. Let’s see digital foundry get ahold of it and run some tests before we just say it’s terrible.
UnkemptHawk
Really disappointing that the live show was immediately spoiled for everyone who couldn’t make it. I’ll still watch the video version whenever it releases, but still
NeO JD
The PS5 Pro def opens the door for Xbox to start the next-gen first. Question is will their next box be able to be stronger than the Pro at the same price? The way it’s looking, I doubt it. #ProDD
Ice Slice
A Steamdeck Oled can do way more then a PS5 pro. I can play any game up to the ps3 gen portably along with anything on steam. I can also play it on the TV with a dock
Josef Barker
Astro bot trumps all.
Breno Bezerra Bluhm
“In a surprise move, it is not Xbox who stepped on the rake this week!” Phil Spencer seeing this 👁️👄👁️
Chris Van Buren
I’m really excited to play through rebirth again with the pro. I adore that game.
Zachary
To your own point cog the digital foundry guys also noted that showing video comparisons via YouTube stream bit rate wasn’t a great way to showcase the bigger difference between base and pro. I think final fantasy rebirth or 16 would show significantly better resolution and frames.
Walker Simmons
I'm excited to play the best version of all these Xbox games on PS5 Pro
Jose
The Steam Deck OLED is a handheld device, plus an OLED. A regular LED Steam Deck would be $400 max. PS5 Pro is a mid-gen upgrade for a console device. Mid-gen consoles are normally close to the base model's price. Sony's pricing is more a result of lacking competition with Microsoft. Steam Deck OLED and PS5 Pro are not comparable. Handheld devices are regularly more expensive due to portability. Compare the specifications and prices of a gaming laptop vs a gaming desktop. TLDR; It is insane
Adam Martinez
I think it’s the no disc drive that really adds insult to injury. You’re looking at $800+ to play games physically. Kinda nuts imo.
Katana Silver
It’s not that insane. Steam Deck Oled is $650 and as powerful as a ps4. Things are just a lot more expensive now
Michael Mashpotato
Shout out to the Dukes. 🙌 Shout out to Matty, I’m glad everything has been going well for you lately. We as the LSM community listen to you weekly and are great fans of your work. So to hear your journey over the last 2 years is something we care about. Don’t be so shocked that we care my dude. We spend hours a week with you in our ears. I actually joined LSM because of the Dukes. One day I was listening to Duke on Apple and for some reason it wasn’t working. I was on a work trip to Philly which is an hour twenty from my house and I needed to listen to something. So I decided to join the patreon. I have been here since. Stay blessed fellas 🙌
Craig Hooligan
Kick off the episode with Live Show spoilers 😞
Adam Razak
The PS5 Pro did one good thing. It briefly united the trashy console fanboys on both sides under a common cause: laughing at the insane $700 price tag.
