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🕑 Added 2025-03-15 16:41:19 +0000 UTC

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Avyck3721

No spoilers but I think you’ll like how it goes 😉

tibbish

"What do you think he should do?" If it was me I'd play dumb in front of the town leader for a day or 2 and have my panther bud scout out the town and look for more solid details. If something turned up shady, like people disappearing under very strange circumstances that lead back to Jordan or his crew, then try and lure the town leader and his lackeys outside of town and assassinate them. If nothing was found but the spidey senses are still tingling make up some BS that you have to leave and go. Something is clearly wrong with the place and Jordan and just because it isn't obvious doesn't mean the skills' are lying

EsZeus

Hair grows back. Just don't let it pull you down 😂

Avyck3721

My girlfriend just thinks I'm perfect.

Avyck3721

haha well I'm glad you continue to stick around, even if you make me want to pull out my hair occasionally

EsZeus

Interesting is subjective haha Frustrating? Yes. My girlfriend would agree 👍 😂 But yes, I love to discuss. And I leave positive and negative feedback all the time. Problem is: negativity is often way more remembered than positive

Avyck3721

EsZeus how are you one of my most frustrating and yet interesting readers at the same time!?

Avyck3721

That’s a great call out. Haha the verdict is still out on those 2😉

EsZeus

Also how Leyton reacted and how easily he decided with the 2 humans they saved from the dungeon :)

Avyck3721

I see your perspective. So far Layton has had what I would consider three main interactions. One, with Richard. That ended poorly, mostly for Richard to be fair. Then we had Jared. Which ultimately came with a mixed bag but ultimately was positive. Third was with Ellison in which he deployed the same straightforward open communication which also ended positive. Outside of that there have been few opportunities for negotiation. I considered Ellison leading the conversation however Ellison is more of a consultant to Layton in this interaction. Could he exercise more caution? Definitely, a lot. I guess we’ll see how things go

EsZeus

But Ayvck, DON'T let this feedback pull you down. Take it, read it, and if you don't agree, just continue. The worst that can happen is you letting feedback dragging you down :) Never my intention. And most of others are of the same opinion.

EsZeus

And what he should do differently? Everything. That's the whole point currently. The whole conversation feels off. From the start 🫠

EsZeus

He should be WAY more cautious. Or you could let the Deerman lead the talk because he comes from a very harsh world and knows these basics. After Richard and everything else these scenes should be more realistic in itself. You as the author create a world and universe. So it should always stay realistic in this created frame. But what the MC and the others encountered so far, experienced? It should have lead them to be way more strategic, careful and overall everybody should have learned and grown somewhat from the past encounters. Thats why my original comment said "plastic", because the interaction between the characters, who SHOULD have grown by now, are feeling off. You know; You introduced other worlds and real living beings to the MC which he had fought against in raids & dungeons. You tried to give him some moral and ethical thoughts. You tried to introduce a kind of character growth. But at the end there was none. He learned nothing from such hard Truth, it feels like. He gave Jared the management of the faction, so he saw his strengths and weaknesses. But here it feels like he suddenly is someone else again. Many different things that are jumping into my face as a reader. This is just feedback. I can't give you exactly what you should rewrite and how, in which words. But I, or we(?), can narrow it down and describe whats bothering 😊

Avyck3721

He might act naive but what I’m asking is what has he given away or how would you recommend he behave differently here after the first conversation? Speak less about his own faction? Give a scathing report on his state of affairs as they are without context?

EsZeus

The problem is, I think: If you describe an overwhelming naive main character, it makes the story unbelievable. No overwhelmingly dumb or naive character can really grow without plot armor. So you saying multiple times by now, that the MC is just "naive" doesn't make it more believable to read. How can someone like him survive then without plot armor? If it's a learning curve, ok. But it's happening too often and by now the character should have grown. Like someone else mentioned: his class could hint. The Deerman could hint at something. There could be a nagging in the back of his head that something is wrong. I think the main problem is the unbelievable character and how he reacts currently so far :)

Avyck3721

Totally. What do you think he should do?

bob barker

he has shared the approximate quantity of people in his territory. Now all this scumbag has to do is start a media campaign blaming Layton's faction for the disappearances, and then scumbag's faction would get energized, gain levels, and launch an assault

tibbish

I would add to that the MC has already had a lil' experience with his class hinting, or even leading him outright, to clue into things. And yet here he seems to be blowing off some real warning signs like its nothing. I don't expect perfection or impossible levels of competence here but if you know you've got something that can drop hints that something is wrong with a situation why blow that off?

Avyck3721

Ps I actually really appreciate you challenging this and it helps me think through my intentions

Avyck3721

Yeah I really get what you’re saying and I think even Ellison would agree. But I don’t know, maybe there are red flags but what should Layton do? Just immediately distrust Jordan? Tell him off like Jared had done earlier? Layton is undeniably naive, even to a fault. He acknowledges the red flags but what has he shared that hurt his position?

Jeremiah

I agree with EsZeus. It seems like despite all the incredibly obvious red flags that layton and Co. Are still caught off guard, see no issues, and give up far too much info. It would seem much more natural if they recognized the red flags and were on edge / trying to pinpoint the source of those red flags while still trying to maintain a cordial front. Unless there's a specific goal for your writing it this way developing the narrative for the next couple chapters in a specific direction, it otherwise feels a bit contrived.

Carolyne

Thanks for sharing this chapter.

Avyck3721

Yeah dunno what to tell you. I’m doing my best, I guess not everyone is going to like it🤷

EsZeus

The whole scene, the talks, the characters? It feels wrong? Is there mind manipulation? If not, this feels very "plastic" and the interaction is very flat. Or maybe I am just wrong. Dunno, really. And Leyton... Not sure. 🙈


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