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Mahti

Guy with the sword is the bummiest bum in history

Riya

To answer's Cannon's question on how is Kuina dodging the sword and Mckay saying it's anime-like, I'm sure its common in action-packed movies lol not because of anime, but glad you guys liked it and carter lmaoo

Lydia

season 2 is really good!

Merry

🥱🥱

Anya

🦉You night owl lol 🍿I'm ready! 🔥🔥

Betsy

Indeed girl! But I'm willing to sacrifice sleep for the geks with one of my favorite shows haha Season 2 is so close! 🥹

Anya

It's still Tuesday for them I believe...

Anya

Wow the self-restraint on a finale

Anya

Lol Epecially since most of y'all are on central time. Getting past y'all bedtimes 🤣🤣

Betsy

Hope the season finale is uploaded soon. I’m getting antsy 😣

MA

Could you please upload episode 8 now before I go to sleep? 😔

Vixen

As a first time watcher it's been so hard to not go ahead 😫 I need it.

Lydia

season finale incoming 😬😬😬

SYD

WHERE IS IT :((((( I thought updates were Tuesday

Betsy

I hope so! And I'm so excited they're almost on season 2. ☺️

hayden 💟

early drop today? 🥹🙏

TVGirl

No I swear they said they had a surprise cinema gek show but I don’t know when they will post it😭

draeonic 🪼

Huh. What an curious notion. 😶

Sissy Six

welp I am guessing this cryptic surprise was another anime then LOL can any anime subscribers confirm?

saida

i think you’re right. the fact that you have to get up close and personal to use a knife…🤯🤯🤯

Dale Thomas

Yeah, it was just kinda funny seeing them confused on why she didn't get shot lol

WHY

Mari, I don’t think that’s over the top in light of the Japanese culture. Have to take into account how Japanese act in normal daily life - they do act in exaggeration sometimes even in normal life, not just for the shows. So even though they might seem over the top to global viewers, they’re definitely not in the Japanese environment. I’ve seen people often complaining about bad actings in Japanese shows, but that’s just because they’re not used to how Japanese express things in normal life or they don’t understand the Japanese culture.

Mari

Don't get confused with the names. Most of the characters here are using their family names. Like Arisu, his given name is Ryohei, as per the flashbacks with his Dad and brother. So Kuina, also seems to be a family name and her given name is Hikari.

Mari

Majority of Japanese series are like this. I have watched alot over the decade. Even those that are not based in mangas or anime are always over the top. I guess its just the way it is in Japan. Totally different from Korean shows.

Mari

There were clues in the previous episodes. Hearts game is about betrayal, the more death the better or if your a better person it is about sacrifice. It wants them to kill each other. There's one more possible person to be the witch that fits that logic. And none of you guys have mentioned it. So I was hoping once that person gets revealed, you will understand the Hearts game more and why this is happening. My comment is not meant to be in a negative way, I was enjoying the reaction.

Fatipapi

Merchant in hindsightland sound better 😂

Fatipapi

Nice SpongeBob reference 😂

Betsy

That's the spirit! 😂

Anya

Or idc put it on the anime side I'll upgrade just for that🤣🤣

Betsy

Me either! It's nothing like anime. But you're exactly right. It would get so much flak. Unfortunately, we probably won't ever get aother unless the geks chose it on the own randomly. But it would be cool to have a kdrama poll 😭

Anya

K-dramas won't win though. I feel like they'll get so much heat😭 It'll be labeled as "another LA anime." Which is not fair cuz I don't watch anime and I want K-dramas! I don't consider them LA anime😒

Betsy

Yeah that's understandable and same here. I just got a little too eager. But I respect them for keeping up with their regiment so, it's organized. However, I wouldn't mind a K-drama such as All of Us are Dead or Weak Hero Class1 for the new series. 😂

Anya

Oh yah they mentioned a new series in a Severance video so that's how I knew. I mean I want it but, I understand sticking to a consistent schedule. This helps eliminate future possibilities of people expecting an extra eps. BUT I'm sad 7&8 are separated😭

tomlette

So when you say tonight do you mean Friday or Saturday 😂

Betsy

I agree! For some reason I was under the impression that they might release the season finale tonight with what McKay was alluding to. But I guess I was wrong lol 😭

Anya

I'm seriously concerned about Brig. First, the peeing to mark your territory in episode four, and now this....🧐

Anya

It's a crime to have the penultimate episode and finale on different weeks😭

Alex

men cant help the urge to play fireman sometimes 😂

Anya

Scary? Sounds like that haunting show...

Lydia

lmaooooo yes literally dgaf!

TVGirl

What is it tell me McKay

Lydia

I was like do what now?? 🤨

Michael H

@saida lol you brits are crazy. I don’t know which is scarier—guns or knives—but I know which is more hardcore

McKay Carter

It’s pretty scary!

DC

This show is so funny sometimes. Especially when aguni punched that tiger and sent it flying

Sissy Six

I’m scared

DC

who doesn’t

saida

it’s currently 2am. i have no business being awake when i’m this tired, let alone finding this comment funny😭😭😭. also, it SHOULDN’T be funny because you actually don’t know how right you are 😓. you guys have your guns, we have our knives…

Michael H

@saida Maybe having knife fights like the proper naughty boys they are? …I’m so sorry, that’s my impression of London youth from media…

Brig Andrus

Makes sense

Kevin Landon

I cook, you cook, he/she/me cook, cook, cooking, We'll have thee cook, cookarama. Cookology! the study of cook!

Kevin Landon

Its also an adaption from the manga, they changed a lot to make it a tv series and things dont always line up, but its still epic

Bri-Ana Monique✨

LMAO I didn’t even hear that part 😂😂😂

hayden 💟

🙏🙏

saida

exactly what i’m saying😭😭😭

McKay Carter

😏

saida

i can see how getting drunk in a random field can lead to peeing in a fire as a source of entertainment 😂😂😂. i’m from the UK (london, but on the outskirts) and let’s just say we brits aren’t known for owning properties with loads of land 😅. most houses here are attached to other houses so if we started a fire in our back garden, someone would definitely notice and the police would probably be called. no clue where the youth in my area hang out…probably in a park or something.

Amna 🍉

DROP IT EARLY 😭

Kelsey

I'm happy to know there are people out there just immediately loving the "extra" acting and reactions that are usually reserved for anime! If you just chose to have fun and watch without overthinking the "realism" aspect, it's SO much more enjoyable

McKay Carter

Y’all ain’t ready for tonight 😂

WHY

Haha Kelsey, that’s fun to know. I’m not an anime lover but still really like and enjoy the show, so I would still like to recommend it to non-anime lovers for a try. I guess I had just embraced the anime-ness of it from the start but I definitely appreciate the show more after the final reveal at the end.

Kelsey

idk where you are from, but most small rural towns here in the US have at least a few families (or tons) owning a shitload of land. meaning you either know someone to throw a random field party on their property, or you can throw your own on someone else's land and nobody will notice.......other than bonfires, our town youth now loiters in the only fast food parking lot we have (mcdonalds)......literally, that's it.

Kelsey

for my town, it isnt so much "camping" as it is getting drunk in a random field on someone's property.......we're classy af 'round these parts

Fatipapi

Bro who pees in a fire?? 😭

WHY

Indeed! I totally agree with how you put it, Kelsey - a “trust the process” type of show. Things seem weird/unreasonable/unrealistic throughout the show will all make sense at the end.

Kelsey

to me, this is similar to the "special game" during Squid Game seasons 1 and 2. At no point did they tell players to kill each other, but they also gave them opportunity/incentive to do so. I think in this show AND in Squid Game, there was always a possibility to avoid violence. However, human nature/selfishness always won in the end

saida

well that explains it then! i grew up in a small, rural town but bonfires aren’t something i’m used to. also, correct me if i’m wrong, but camping culture seems big in the US and bonfires by extension feel ‘american’ to me. (i’m not from the US, formed this opinion solely from pop culture😅).

Studio Geck

Dang it 😂😭

Amna 🍉

Carter episode 8 tonight pls 🧎🏽‍♀️

Kelsey

I really like this show, but it definitely isnt one I'd recommend to non-anime lovers. If you go into it just embracing the "anime-ness" it's a fun watch

Kelsey

I won't lie, in my first watch I hated season 2 after maybe the 3rd episode??? but after the finale, I think I may actually be able to enjoy it my second time around. Things that I hated about the show just end up making sense in the end.....my fault for being impatient I guess

Kelsey

I didn't see it as nitpicking. I had some of the same questions during my first watch. They're obviously going to get it as they watch the series. Try not to dictate how they react to and process the show. Seeing how people think and react differently is honestly why I still watch reaction vids for shows I've seen over and over

Kelsey

if you ever grew up in a small, rural town where bonfires are peak entertainment, then you would understand

Kelsey

without mentioning any specifics.....I had major gripes with this show throughout......but I kept watching and I will say things I disliked or thought made no sense will make sense in the end. This is very much a "trust the process" type of show

Yugi Umuto

The first time I watched the show, I gave up after a few episodes. Now, on my second try, I’ve been enjoying it a lot more. Sometimes you notice bad writing or an illogical move right away, but there are also days when you just let it slide, don’t overanalyze it, and subconsciously accept it as part of the story. In the end, we’re all just human

Brig Andrus

Facts

Brig Andrus

Alice in borderland? Nah this is hindsight in merchantland🤣😭

saida

i'm curious against my better judgement...

Brig Andrus

So it’s almost like continuing to watch will reveal it?😂

Brig Andrus

Some people just don’t know ball 😪

Brig Andrus

Appreciate you! I’m sad it’s coming across to some that we aren’t enjoying the show. I for one am.

1999

Man Stannis Baratheon would absolutely COOK in this game 🔥🧒🏼🧙🏼‍♀️😤

Sdat1guy

Yall in the comments gotta chill lol. The show is goofy alot of the times and that's okay. People are free to nitpick what they like and don't like it's natural. Forcing them to react the way you want ain't going to happen. The show is good and interesting but it has its flaws. Just respect how they react to the show 💯 👌 preciate the reaction studio gek!

Sasha

Their faces do look alike very much😂

saida

are we just gonna let that 'you pee in a fire' comment from brig slide? NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I CONCEIVED IN MY MIND THAT PEEING IN A FIRE WAS SOMETHING PEOPLE DO

Betsy

That would be amazing! One can only hope 🥰🤞

Dale Thomas

The reason why those guys didn't shoot the girl is because those guys are the ones that said they ran out of ammo.

hayden 💟

season finale today?? 🥹🙏

Ron Jackson Jr

Season 2 is crazy when they get up to it

hehe hehe

Season 2 was soooo much better than season 1. Can’t wait for the reactions !

Mari

I feel like they are still not getting what the hearts game is all about. Its not just about feeling disgusted at the end. That's why they haven't think of 1 more possible identity of the witch.I hope they get it once it's revealed at the end. They will enjoy it more if there's less nitpicking and more of trying to understand the rules of the game.

Sanji

The acting and storyline becomes more interesting and death games are much better. The beach was personally a hard watch for me tho.

Sanji

AiB gets much better! This is how I would rank the show. AiB s1 intro: 7.5/10 AiB s1 beach arc: 5.5/10 AiB s2: 9/10

James

I never found this show to be cringy, but writing issues and pacing is what bothered me. I tried showing this show to my mom, and she didn't make it past the first episode which surprised me because she pretty much watches Japanese shows on JME all day (along side with US shows).

Ronald Bohne

A lot of nit picks about realism from them when they already said repeatedly they are just going to enjoy it like an anime as it is "anime-coded". But then they seem to forget what they say every week and treat it as a realistic show lmao. Some reactors treat it as a "show" and loved it. Some treat it as a scientific documentary and nit pick it. All perspective it seems.

Berndelta

Omg I thought I was the only one. It was this as well as Squid Game 2

draeonic 🪼

True that, this episode is a bit of a litmus test for me and I'm very glad they rolled with it

Mysterious Figure

Why do YOU assume now haha... that I am mad? I am literally laughing at every comment. It is honestly no big deal. We're just talking. Be chill. Just enjoy your day man. 👍👍

Balzhan

seems so😂 this show is like anime, you just watch and don't take it seriously

Bri-Ana Monique✨

Sure let’s just explain to the physco path out for blood shed that they can catch the witch like that’ll work. Just let it play out, it won’t be as annoying once you just finish the full season 😂

Bri-Ana Monique✨

The complaints coming in at the very beginning already .. gonna be a tough watch I see lmfao 😭

Jacob Goldsmith

just cant figure out how she wins tho unless she did it for her friend

Jacob Goldsmith

bro i feel like the witch is the girl who was stabbed i feel like what else would make it a heart. like yall go kill each other while we already handed u the goal just like that bus episode

Amna 🍉

Guys they literally said they ran out of ammo but will continue "hunting". That's why they knocked her out instead of shooting her

Berndelta

Oh for sure. It really does. And then it confirms it with the second flashback. But honestly I'm just happy that the Geks seemed cool with it and still called her by she/her and such even if they weren't sure about the flashback at first lol

WHY

Fair enough, I can also see your point there especially about the lack of depth of the backstories. Their stories are a bit short to make it more in depth and they seem to be purposefully thrown into this episode. That said, I hope you enjoy the rest of the show :)

Patriicia

Jack your prediction was crazy :D

Kaydee

jesse gutierrez, i understand bc i also didnt like the 1st ep of s2 but i promise you, the rest of that season is actually so good. at least watch ep 3 and if you still didnt like it, then the show really isnt for you haha

SuperChuckABoo

True, I guess it's a contrast of them finally being "alive" or having power in this verse compared to how they were either ignored or bullied IRL. I guess I just feel like there's a little something missing for me to give it a little more depth as far as their motivations etc. Maybe if the Beach stuff was an entire season, they could have been a little more interesting as characters. Looking forward to more Hatter and Aguni stuff tho!

draeonic 🪼

Hey I understand you want to defend the show but maybe don't announce what's coming next? People usually prefer to find out by themselves.

draeonic 🪼

I understand why it might not be the first thought for many people, and I can't even claim that I figured it out instantly because I'm pretty sure I already knew from an outside source. But the show phones in SO HARD that this flashback is hers 😂

WHY

Omg I was not even directing my comment to you. I was referring to other negative comments down here or even some general comments that I’ve seen. Why’re you mad making assumptions again and coming at me? In your own thread, I only said it seems way too far to assume it’s shitty writing at this stage, but I never said your distaste/disappointment at this stage could not turn around later. Or maybe not, I said it’s fine if ppl dislike it but just don’t spread negativity, which I obviously wasn’t referring to you but others. I even found your guess an interesting one and commented it’s a good guess.

Berndelta

Yeahhh it's always funny. To be fair, trans characters are very rare in media overall still, so I can see it not being their first instinct to put it together. But yeah it does kind of... Make it obvious a bit 😭

Mysterious Figure

To amuse myself in amusement is utterly amusing. The juiciest amusement?... others' bemusement? - certainly! Or to be more clear, we all consume entertainment the way we know how. We all have our way we enjoy things. Who's to say my distaste for certain parts of this episode wont completely turn around after the reveal in the next one? Don't take something ppl say here too seriously. It's all just entertainment, ok?

WHY

It amuses (edit: amazes is the better word to put it) me when people make assumptions and early judgments and criticise the show before they get to the very end or find out everything. Just be more patient please. If after the final reveal you still don’t like it, then fine you can certainly share your opinions and give constructive criticisms; but please don’t come all the way here to just spread negativity and make non-constructive criticisms while everyone else is enjoying the show. It kills the vibe here.

Will

Kuina😍

Mysterious Figure

@WHY - Well, if it's not true, then GOOD. I'm glad to be wrong and possibly get something more satisfying in the conclusion to the reveal. So thank you for telling me I was wrong - I guess. 🤔 Now at least I feel a bit better since I felt a bit disappointed after this episode haha Good for you I don't have a problem with people spoiling stuff for me. Other people might tho.

WHY

While you did have a good guess (which although is not true), commenting that this seems stupid, unfair, sadistic and uninspired from a game creativity and tv show writing standpoint and that it’s shitty writing based on your own assumption/predictions without having found out the truth/final answer just seems way too far for me.

WHY

You’ll get Hatter and Aguni’s backstory ;) I understand your perspective, but imo those characters’ backstories are not so much there to help us understand they’re psycho or social outcasts, but more to give a big contrast to all the other characters who’re still there struggling and fighting their best in this world with a hope to return to the original world. It’s different angles or perspectives of how people see this world vs. the original world and it’s there to show different people’s attitudes towards life. Bearing in mind that introverts and social outcasts are actually quite common in Japan, it’s a social phenomenon, so their backstories actually reflect a part of the society.

WHY

As much as I love the differently-designed games in the previous episodes, this episode is an episode of backstories, which definitely adds more depth to the show, making the show more than just about the games. There’s a metaphor of “old world vs new world characters”. The backstories show how similar yet also different Last Boss’s and Kuina’s characters are: They both don’t like their past, but what makes them different is - While Last Boss was turning his back to the past, Kuina was brave enough to look back, face and embrace her past while looking forward to the future; and while Last Boss wants to stay in this new world, Kuina actually wants to return to the old world to her mom with her new identity. The final episode of s1 is one of my favourite episodes for s1 of this show, along with episode 3. While all games requires some thinking, the final episode has the biggest plot twist for s1 and is what makes the writing of s1 of this show so great and beautiful.

Jesse Gutierrez

Yeah, I started to not really care once the beach popped up. And then S2, I only watched 1 episode and haven't felt like watching it again.

draeonic 🪼

Why do you assume the witch has to kill anyone (besides Momoka)? As far as we know, their "success" condition could simply be to not be found and burned by the deadline.

draeonic 🪼

Kuina is best girl ❤️ The confusion always makes me laugh though. Last Boss to Kuina: what did you use to do in the world? Camera: turns to Kuina, stays on her for several seconds before the flashback starts Kid in flashback: displays skills consistent with Kuina's moves in her fight 90% of reactors: wait whose backstory is this?

SuperChuckABoo

Oooh, true good point about using the saliva to help get rid of the duct tape! There's definitely things to get nit picky about in the show for sure. Like idk if we really needed backstory on the sword guy or school shooter. Like I get it these guys were social outcasts/losers in the real world now they are living out their violent unhinged fantasies in this verse. I didn't need the backstory on them to figure out they were psychotic, they've more than shown it. It's like they tried to do some Lost style flashbacks but the characters had so little screen time and interaction with the main cast that it's like uh ok? I rather have spent that time fleshing out hatter and aguni's backstory, but the season isn't finished yet so maybe I'll get my wish.

Mysterious Figure

The only person that I think could be the witch and for it to make complete sense would be the new Beach leader since it is supposed to make him feel utterly disgusted at himself. After looking at his face throughout the episode, it seems written all over it. He obviously cant force himself to kill himself to save the Beach and forfeit what he fought so hard to get - the position of leader. I think he is the one that killed the previous leader, in order to gain leadership - which in turn will make him feel even worse because, now, right after he thought he gained the new leader position, he will be forced to lose everything. Whoever is the game master obviously wouldn't want players to get organized like the Beach people did because that way it's harder to control them, so if I was the GM I would throw a wrench in their plans too. The thing what I think is shitty writing in this episode in this 10 of hearts game specifically, is that the Game Master outright DECIDED who should be killed as the game's goal. So, what... - the only way for the witch to ACTUALLY survive is for them to kill the ENTIRE Beach? - this seems so stupid, unfair, and really uninspired from a game creativity, and tv show writing standpoint. It tells me the GM is shortsighted and impulsive. Not someone that takes great care in planning stuff too far in advance. I understand being a GM you can decide to be as sadistic as you want, but this is a tv show for an audience. Simply making stuff sadistic, one sided and unfair isn't all that interesting to watch or to try and predict. I feel if the new leader is actually the witch, it's a bit too predictable.

Jonoridge

The moment it went to The Beach it sure lost some of its intrigue. It felt like that should have been like a season 2 or season 3 reveal or something, not just dropping a few episodes in. I preferred it when there were a bunch of confused players.

Berndelta

Almost every reaction I've seen gets confused about Kuina's flashback lol. I think you all did end up picking up on it but yeah she's 🏳️‍⚧️ queen. :) And just such a cool character in general.

WHY

I also think Arisu was partly using his saliva to get rid of the tape. Like he’s already trying to spit out behind the tape so that the tape could get wet and come off, so why would he swallow his spit. And I agree, there’re lots of less obvious details in the show which help explain the later scenes. They just have to pay more attention to the details before nit-picking on things.

Ali

Absolute cringe is what this show became so fast. Was quiet intrigued with the show the first few episodes; did not like where it went.

SuperChuckABoo

This show is so goofy I'm starting to like it. I feel like you guys are a little too nit picky on some things. Like Canon wondering why randoms won't run into a hail of bullets to overpower a bunch of guys with sub machine guns. It's hard enough to organize randoms in a multiplayer game to do something, pretty sure it'll be hard to be like hey guys let's just brute force these maniacs with machine guns slaughtering everybody in real life. Obviously its easy to be like yeah would you rather die then put up a fight, but everyone is in flight or fight mode. Even trained soldier needs this to be drilled out of them. I doubt a bunch of guys who spend most of their days getting drunk and partying would be interested or organized enough to be sacrificing their life. I mean there is real world examples of shootings where police officers just stand outside chilling, something that happened super recent. Lmaoo idk why that tilted me, but i think it's just a bad take in any show. Also, "why didn't Arisu just swallow his spit". Bro was unconscious, happens with drunk people too. They just drool everywhere or vomit, now imagine if you tape their mouth shut. "Why didn't they shoot the executive chick" cause in a previous scene those too weirdos said they ran out of bullets, also cause of plot, but at least they kinda explained why they weren't shooting. Obviously this show is super goofy and there is definitely things to nit pick about, but some of these ya'll pointed out aren't super valid. This is my first time watching this as well and i'm watching it with you all. Having a good time with the show so far

Betsy

Thanks girl! I try my best. 🥰💕 Yes very well said 💯

Anya

Same here love your positivity💕😊 Yeess like Eris said..."Glorious Chaos"💥

WHY

Did you finish watching season 1 or understand why the game is there in the first place (and the the story behind) to make this comment?

PST3

The Beach has dumbest game not worthy of the show.

Anya

It was so perfect too! Glad I'm not the only one😭

Betsy

No worries at all. Your replies always put a smile on my face. They're getting closer to season 2. I'm so pumped! Can't wait to see their faces with all the new games and more chaos.😏

Anya

Forgive me, I'm doing the equivalent of drunk texting rn🫣 My phone is down after this😴

Anya

In the manga, Mira observes Niragi's influence over the militants and quotes: "Everyone has a forest inside their hearts. However, everyone knows they should not enter because they know a wolf lurks in the depths of that forest. And a ferocious, blood-thirsty wolf in the very image of themselves will they meet. But, that man was able to deftly plunge everyone into that forest" You can see how some of the militants are hesitant to kill or continue killing. The Borderlands like y'all said is where some embrace it. & Some just go with it and think this is not the "real world" so "it's not real." Cheshire Cat said it best "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad" 🙃

Alex

I was legitimately waiting for it to happen 🤣

Nika

the reason they didn’t kill the forensics chic is bc that specific pair said earlier in the ep that they ran out of ammo but they’re continuing to hunt bc they don’t want it all to be for nothing

Betsy

You crack me up, Anya! 😂

Pauu!

They only beat her up because they were out of ammo, they mention it minutes earlier. It's easy to foget haha.

Anya

Yes pressure! Lol *Palpatine voice* "DO IT"

Anya

Right?! I love Chishiya even more now. & Tryna give us a Niragi flashback after what happened?! Idgaf.

Anya

Aww Carter, you missed an opportunity to say *"you called?"* when Usagi crashed through the window to save Arisu 🤣🤣

Merry

The most satisfying moment for me was when Chishiya burned Niragi alive.😂

Anya

Shoutout to Haro Aso for his ingenuity- Utilizing Absolem (The Caterpillar) to create Kuina as his counterpart. Kuina going through her own type of metamorphosis (mentally & physically) is so beautiful! 🐛->🦋 Her family name is Kuina. Her given name is Hikari. It's okay, a lot of people get confused on her flashback. It just means her character was written with purpose & intent. Her transition is not the sole focus- instead, it's her inherent beauty. Not a lot of shows/movie succeed in positive transgender representation.

Kesendo

W

Luke Fox

Let Aguni Cook

Betsy

Thanks so much guys! Please do episode 8, listen to McKay haha no pressure though and excited for season 2!

Elle B.

The mob mentality violence was so disturbing in this episode. Like you guys said it gets so dark sometimes. Also, Kuina is so cool! My favorite.

Monte

So lmao I think yall will get it in the end im only halfway through but idk it looks to me like that Hikari person is actually Kuina who is trans. Maybe you guys figure it out in the end but yeah I’ve never seen this show either but that’s my guess